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Posted by Bill(Chew) on 06-01-2009 12:05 PM:

Stokes08, you can use a laser pointer to point out a coon. The laser is considered a light.

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Posted by Clay Lautzenhiser on 06-01-2009 02:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Don't sweat it Stokes. There is no rule against banging on a tree if you can squall. Now if you take a stick and ram it in a hole or something like that, you have not only committed a scratch offense but in Indiana you have also violated the law. But banging on the side of a tree or shaking vines,bushes, etc. is not against any rule if you can squall.

You are right there is no rule against "banging on a tree". However there is a rule against scoring a coon using anything other than a light and a squaller!. Pulling vines is not the same as picking an object and using it to find the coon! Either way it is not scratchable, you just can't "score" the coon if you find it!
By the way Elvis, it isn't something that someone "made up", it has been in the rulebook for ever. Evidentally hunters don't bother to actually read the rule book. Maybe if they actually hunted by the rules the outcome of hunts would be a little different.
Webb, it isn't about "common sense", it is about rules! Jay asked a question and I answered it honestly, according to the rules. Are we back to sating that we only want to follow certain rules and not others? Why have rules at all?

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Posted by on 06-01-2009 04:45 PM:

Well with all due respect Clay, I think you are absolutely wrong. I think I or any cast member can bang that tree, get that coon to look and plus it as long as squalling time is open. And I will judge it that way until Allen tells me not to.

Posted by Clay Lautzenhiser on 06-01-2009 04:53 PM:

That is the biggest problem in the hunts today, the fact that everyone is out there hunting by a different set of rules. I didn't write the rules I only hunt by them. I know what I was told and I enforce the rules. I don't pick and choose which ones to follow. I guess if we ever draw out together and the situation arises we will get a definate answer.

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Posted by on 06-01-2009 05:07 PM:

We can't seem to agree on anything!
I don't think the biggest problem is a different set of rules, there is only one set of UKC rules and nothing in those rules or the Advisor even indicates I can't bang that tree. I have read pages 67and 68 of the Advisor and I don't believe it applies to banging a tree.

Posted by Larry Atherton on 06-01-2009 05:20 PM:

Webster Defn:

A device is a mechanical invention or contrivance for some specific purpose.

The key word is mechanical. It also states mechanical under the defn. of contrivance.

So based on Webster I would say a stick is a safe bet. Yes, you are using a stick as a tool, but mechanical tool it is not.

It is a stick before you start, and it remains a stick (perhaps smaller stick lol) when you are finished. the stick was not designed for the intent of coon hunters finding a coon in a leafy tree.

Whereas, a light and squaller were both designed to do.

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Posted by TREMOR on 06-01-2009 05:21 PM:

Webb, it isn't about "common sense", it is about rules! Jay asked a question and I answered it honestly, according to the rules. Are we back to sating that we only want to follow certain rules and not others? Why have rules at all?

But it is about common sense, why on earth should a dog have anyting taken from him(or not given to him) becouse the leaves are so thick sometimes when we hunt that in order to get the coon that the the dog treed to look we might have to bang on the tree with a stick??? It doesnt make any sense not to do that? JMO

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Posted by Todd K / UKC on 06-01-2009 05:49 PM:

During squalling time you can peck on the tree with a rock or a stick. That is not considered a scoring device as a mirror would be.

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Posted by Maniac on 06-01-2009 05:50 PM:

WHAT ABOUT A DEN?

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Posted by on 06-01-2009 05:54 PM:

Give it up Jay. Den tree, oak tree, telephone pole, it is all the same by the rules. If you can squall it, you can bang on it.

Posted by Maniac on 06-01-2009 05:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Give it up Jay. Den tree, oak tree, telephone pole, it is all the same by the rules. If you can squall it, you can bang on it.

THE RULE USE TO STATE THAT YOU WAS NT SUPPOST TO (DISTURB A REFFUGE)

Posted by on 06-01-2009 06:01 PM:

It still says that. Banging the side of the tree is not disturbing. Ramming a stick inside is.
Ask the DNR.

Posted by Maniac on 06-01-2009 06:03 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
It still says that. Banging the side of the tree is not disturbing. Ramming a stick inside is.
Ask the DNR.

YOU GUYS ARE FUNNY!!

Posted by on 06-01-2009 06:09 PM:

Thank you.

Posted by Allen / UKC on 06-01-2009 06:14 PM:

Clay,

What we were discussing a few years ago was in reference to using a stick to poke in dens or holes trying to move a coon around in order to possibly see it. In other words; molesting game in a place of refuge. Ring a bell? I think the question here is whether or not it is acceptable to tap on a tree with a stick to get a coon to look.

Posted by Clay Lautzenhiser on 06-01-2009 06:18 PM:

THATS BS ALLEN! I HAVE WIL CURTIS ON THE PHONE RIGHT NOW AND HE RECALLS THE SAME CONVERSATION! YOU ALSO TOLD HIM A LIGHT AND A SQUALLER ONLY! ANYTHING ELSE USED TO SCORE THE COON WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE! IKNOW THE QUESTION I ASKED AND THE ANSWER YOU GAVE!
I AM NOT SURPRISED THAT THE ANSWER CHANGED SINCE I KNOW THE HANDLER INVOLVED.
ITS MORE ABOUT WHO YOU ARE THEN FOLLOWING THE RULES!

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Posted by Country AintBad on 06-01-2009 06:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Clay Lautzenhiser
THATS BS ALLEN! I HAVE WIL CURTIS ON THE PHONE RIGHT NOW AND HE RECALLS THE SAME CONVERSATION! YOU ALSO TOLD HIM A LIGHT AND A SQUALLER ONLY! ANYTHING ELSE USED TO SCORE THE COON WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE! IKNOW THE QUESTION I ASKED AND THE ANSWER YOU GAVE!
I AM NOT SURPRISED THAT THE ANSWER CHANGED SINCE I KNOW THE HANDLER INVOLVED.
ITS MORE ABOUT WHO YOU ARE THEN FOLLOWING THE RULES!

that's right it aint whatcha know, but who you know......
Especially around here....

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Posted by Allen / UKC on 06-01-2009 06:50 PM:

Clay, are you sure about that? Seems pretty odd as I've NEVER known it to be unacceptable to tap on trees so long as all dogs are handled or the first seven has expired. I guess I could be wrong as irt wouldn't be the first time. Just seems odd though as we have always been able to tap trees as mentioned. For the record however; answers don;t change depending on the handler.

Posted by HOBO on 06-01-2009 06:52 PM:

Its pretty sad when you get th eruling from UKC and you all still want to say its against the rules.

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Posted by Clay Lautzenhiser on 06-01-2009 06:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HOBO
Its pretty sad when you get th eruling from UKC and you all still want to say its against the rules.

ITS PRETTY SAD THAT THE RULING CHANGES! ITS PRETTY SAD THAT THE IS NO CONSISTENCY IN THE RULES!

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Posted by HOBO on 06-01-2009 07:13 PM:

Until Maniac started this thread I never knew anyone didn't know it was OK to hit on a tree with a stick as long as all dogs were handled.

Guess you learn something new every day.

Posted by Country AintBad on 06-02-2009 12:42 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by HOBO
Until Maniac started this thread I never knew anyone didn't know it was OK to hit on a tree with a stick as long as all dogs were handled.

Guess you learn something new every day.

i learned to ....

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Posted by GA DAWG on 06-02-2009 03:15 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Clay Lautzenhiser
That is the biggest problem in the hunts today, the fact that everyone is out there hunting by a different set of rules. I didn't write the rules I only hunt by them. I know what I was told and I enforce the rules. I don't pick and choose which ones to follow. I guess if we ever draw out together and the situation arises we will get a definate answer.

You said it!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by Country AintBad on 06-02-2009 08:23 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
You said it!!!!!!!!!

yea i have folks ask me rules all the time while hunting....
know one goes by the same set consitently....

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