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Posted by Clarence on 04-13-2009 09:15 PM:

Scoham if it were PKC I could help you in every way but we all ready have it that way. When the 1 min rule was voted on there was some conterversy on if it would be to hard for the youth or new comers and so for it has work great. the thing I like is if one dog is treed and only one dog people don't just tree there dog with that dog because a good judge will minius them. So if there dog is not close he will only get 25 what he desirves if he is there after the min. as for as three people PKC has allways had that rule to finish a cast. This should be something that UKC would do with open arms for the title of the dogs in there registery. Like the person said talk to all your breed leaders and get-er-Done. Good luck and I hope you do Get-Er-Done.

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Posted by Cody Carroll on 04-13-2009 09:19 PM:

progressive tree shows the dog doin the work. thats how it should be

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Posted by Terry Adams on 04-13-2009 09:44 PM:

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Originally posted by JiM
What you've prolly got is an HONEST strike dog!

This rule change was actually proposed in 2006. The Walker Asssocition voted yes, the other 5 voted no. Figures.......

Jim,
I won't deny the outcome of the voting back in 2006 by the breed associations, but I can assure the hunters in each breed doesn't have a say in what they vote on. I wish all KC's would assume them same rules for us hunters to make it easier to keep up with. The problem we have is we don't have a way to vote. Sure we vote our breed officers in, but do we out in the real world of comp. hunting know what they stand for. Some people say they don't want UKC to be like PKC.Well they wouldn't be, one would hunt for trophies and titles, and the other would hunt for money and championships, seams different to me. We are all after one thing, to prove who has the better hound, not the better "me-too-er" or "babbler".

Posted by GA DAWG on 04-13-2009 10:14 PM:

I blame this rule not being changed on Blueticks and obama! Seriously yall will have to join your ukc breed of choice association..Bring it up or wright it down I guess..Then the president of that breed has to bring it up at the rule change meeting.Then its voted on...Like Jim says it was voted on a few yrs ago and failed but I think it will eventually pass!!!

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Posted by coon hunter on 04-14-2009 09:33 AM:

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Originally posted by Ashley Pratt
So coon hunter, it don't bother you to have at least 2 independent dogs on a cast treeing coons alone and a dog striking and and covering both of them and getting part of most every coon scored on without treeing his own? Not my type of dog regardless of what it wins.

It's not that it don't bother me. But as long as mine is doing what he is suposed to do and I don't make any mistakes, big ears isn't going to beat me.

MOST of the time a sure enough me too dog is on the heels of the dog trailing and will be at the tree within a minute anyway.

Get rid of the junk runners first. You'll get beat by a deer runner that falls off treed under a coon more times than you will a me too dog, if coon are few and far between (like around here).

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What happened to that coons tail?

Looks like all its hair fell out.

Posted by coon hunter on 04-14-2009 09:39 AM:

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Originally posted by Terry Adams
.....I wish all KC's would assume them same rules for us hunters to make it easier to keep up with .....

Yes it would make things eaier to go to a one set of rules for all KCs. But who says PKC rules will be the ones they follow? The idea sounds good as long as the other KCs conform to PKC rules. It won't be such a good idea if they decided to combine they rules and under the one for all set requires plus points & a trip to the house for to many minus points.

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What happened to that coons tail?

Looks like all its hair fell out.

Posted by Ashley Pratt on 04-14-2009 03:48 PM:

Sorry bud, hafta disagree been beat by big ears more than once.

Posted by Travis Brown on 04-14-2009 06:01 PM:

There's already a 50 point split from first to second tree in UKC so if a dog covers in just 1 second it has fifty points less. A dog can cover in 59 seconds in PKC and still get 50 less tree points than the dog that treed first.

The problem with counting down the tree points and not counting down the track points is if you're not careful when you look at the scorecard at the end of two hours there will be more track points than treepoints. That's not what coonhunting is about.

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Posted by SJunior on 04-15-2009 06:16 AM:

Ashley, we have 2 pkc hunts in May (5th and 27th). You gonna make the meeting and club hunt?

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Posted by evan ashley on 04-15-2009 07:14 AM:

i'm all for the countdown in ukc but i also hunt a low strike dog high tree dog. them 100 strike dogs that cover will kill me all night and i nkow this and i get beat by them some and then i beat them some. but in ukc if you change the countdown rule you have to change the rule for dogs being at a tree and not treed in when cast arrives. because if that dog covers after a minute he should only get a quater on that tree if treed in. but if he doens't tree his dog and you get there and it is slick then what are you going to minus him. 75 for next tree if there is only one dog there or 25 because he covered after a minute. Bud are you going to the spring classic?

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Posted by blackdawg on 04-15-2009 07:16 AM:

UKC does reward the dog that tree's first. That is why it is 125+ compared to the other registeries 100+

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Posted by evan ashley on 04-15-2009 10:41 AM:

ukc really don't reward with the 125 just think about it. you are taking a quater and 125 all night and my dog is taking 100 everydrop and covering right before the five. i might take a quater on some trees but i might cover faster and take 75 no tree countdown = more me tooing.

Posted by blackdawg on 04-15-2009 11:07 AM:

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Originally posted by evan ashley
ukc really don't reward with the 125 just think about it. you are taking a quater and 125 all night and my dog is taking 100 everydrop and covering right before the five. i might take a quater on some trees but i might cover faster and take 75 no tree countdown = more me tooing.

I do agree that 5 minutes is a little too long. I am just saying, that 125 is ukc's way of rewarding the dog that trees the coon. I am not saying it is right or wrong, just stating the facts.

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Posted by evan ashley on 04-16-2009 07:27 AM:

thats right i agree with you on that one

Posted by evan ashley on 04-16-2009 07:28 AM:

i personally say that once a dog is treed that tree is open for 30 seconds after that it is a closed tree. sounds simple enough for what i'm hunting.

Posted by Bill(Chew) on 04-16-2009 12:27 PM:

I do not like the count down tree points. We already have enough slick tree grabbing idiots and the count down will cause them to be bred even more.

In a one hour hunt it will give the fastest tree dog an advantage in points. In a two hout hunt with a fifty point advantage it's just not needed.

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Posted by BLUEHUNT-N on 04-16-2009 12:54 PM:

I agree Bill!!

It will be a promotion for slick treeing idiots!!! If your dog is truely takeing first trees in UKC your are rewarded just like the dog is rewarded for starting the track!! Answer this, who is the me too dog: the dog that strikes first and covers second or the dog that piles in on the first stike dogs track? Pot calling the kettle black!! Ill take a dog that opens honestly quick and competes for 1st or 2nd tree!! To me thats what we should all breed for!! 3/4 of the hunt time is a calling contest or who isnt afraid to pull the trigger!!! Just my two cents.

A true me too dog is one that is covering on both ends and is pretty late in doing so!!

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Posted by MikeO on 04-16-2009 01:10 PM:

I don't think ukc should change to be more like pkc. whether you like to hear it or not slick treeing idiots are rewarded enough already. a result of tree countdown and winning money without plus points???? food for thought! travis makes alot of sense.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 04-16-2009 07:09 PM:

Yall must have never hunted with a dog thats a me tooing idiot! I've saw them cover from almost out of hearing in 4.5 min and get 75 on tree..Most of the times.These same idiot dogs are also the loosed mouth dog..So they already have 100 strike cause they are rattle headed !!!! How does a countdown make slick treeing IDIOTS? It might make more independant dogs.. I agree with Evan myself..Close the entire tree in 30 sec or 1 min..If a dogs not there in that length of time..It dont deserve ANY TREE POINTS!

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Posted by MikeO on 04-16-2009 11:10 PM:

i understand what your saying mr. dawg and i have drawn me 2 dogs myself. but in this instance i believe the bad outweighs the good. i have no problem with the tree countdown rule in pkc but i also like the differences between the kc's. i believe ukc has already addressed this with a 50 point difference in first and second tree. although you and i want an independent dog doesn't mean everybody wants one. years ago everybody wanted the fastest pack dog, i myself don't think the sport should stray to far from where it began. whether you know it or will admit it there is alot of money won with the highest circle points. now can you say honestly that it doesn't promote tree monsters???...i cant!

Posted by Ashley Pratt on 04-16-2009 11:25 PM:

Thank you GA DAWG. I'm sick of having an accurate tree dog not a slick dog being covered from a long distance and then the handler can wait till 4:59 off the tree to decide if he wants in on it or not. Complete BS

Posted by John M. Horner on 04-16-2009 11:30 PM:

Mike O I usually try to stay out of this stuff but I have to disagree with you.You constantly bad mouth PKC for circle points and then turn around and post about an unbeilievable UKC score! Alot of big money is not won in Pkc with circle points.Have you ever tried to get in a final four at a PKC major hunt with circle points!! You may squeeze thru these little 25 dollar club hunts some but its not gonna fly at a 50 or 60.By not being able to award a winner with out plus points has caused alot of men to drop there moral standards you know it and I know it.

Posted by JefferyAntes on 04-16-2009 11:49 PM:

I hate them fast track dog's that can't find the tree cause there runnning so fast they run right by it ,and then a good tree dog pulls up and trees then you have to wait for them to acturally get back to where the coon is.
Mikeo I agree with you. Good point.

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Posted by MikeO on 04-17-2009 12:13 AM:

john im not bad mouthing pkc i have no reason to at all. alot of these major hunts pay cash money to cast winners without getting near the final 4 that's a fact. and as for a coon scored every 8.5 minutes lol that speaks for itself so i regret ever posting on that thread. i know some subjects are controversial and i should just keep my thoughts to myself so everybody likes me. really john its just an opinion from a poor ol country coonhunter with potlickers.

Posted by JefferyAntes on 04-17-2009 01:19 AM:

LOL Mikeo, I've only hunted a couple of PKC hunts so i don't have alot of experience with them, but I had just as good time there as i do with UKC, there's issues in every spot but when you take the fun out of it , its just not worth it, you have to take the bad with a grain of salt, and move on because if you don't there is really no sense of doing any longer.Heck My red dog trees one once in awhile so that in my mind makes anything possible even 8.5 ,And MikeO I would still really like to run with you sometime.I really thing it would be a good and interesting time.

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