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Posted by Justin Smith on 03-26-2009 12:42 AM:

Coonhunting is a hobby , if the costs of raising a litter of pups hits you in the pocketbook enough that you need to sell every pup for top dollar then you have your priorities mixed up .... don't spend the grocery money on the dogs.

Some litters are exceptional .. but 90% of the pups born are culls and alot of them actually get culled one way or another ... I'll pay for the pick , but after that ... the other 6-8 are $25 dogs.

Posted by treemydog32 on 03-26-2009 01:03 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Justin Smith

Some litters are exceptional .. but 90% of the pups born are culls and alot of them actually get culled one way or another ... I'll pay for the pick , but after that ... the other 6-8 are $25 dogs.

If i didnt get better than 10% of pups to make it ...i would not make the cross anymore...

Second thing you say if you get the pick of litter you will pay top dollar cause the rest are 25 dollars dogs...BULL CRAP..YOU GOT A GENIE IN A BOTTLE OR SOMETHING...

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Posted by HOBO on 03-26-2009 02:43 AM:

And just how does one go about picking the "PICK Of The LITTER"?

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Posted by meandoldred on 03-26-2009 02:58 AM:

EASY ...

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And just how does one go about picking the "PICK Of The LITTER"?

Just close your eyes and reach in and pick a big RED one. LOL.

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Posted by Justin Smith on 03-26-2009 03:00 AM:

If you have been around a line of dogs .. or coondogs in general ... and can't pick the good from the bad ... then stick to buying started dogs.

It's like asking Michael Jordan how to play ball ... he just does it , everyone has a talent ... sometimes it just aint the one you wish it was.

It that stuff wasn't true ... nobody would ever be a top breeder or trainer ... we'd all take turns , but we don't ..... some guys just stay on top and don't like to share .

I guess some folks look at pups like I would a flock of geese ... I can't tell one from the other .. but that doesn't mean they are all the same ..

Posted by GA DAWG on 03-26-2009 03:07 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Justin Smith
If you have been around a line of dogs .. or coondogs in general ... and can't pick the good from the bad ... then stick to buying started dogs.

It's like asking Michael Jordan how to play ball ... he just does it , everyone has a talent ... sometimes it just aint the one you wish it was.

It that stuff wasn't true ... nobody would ever be a top breeder or trainer ... we'd all take turns , but we don't ..... some guys just stay on top and don't like to share .

I guess some folks look at pups like I would a flock of geese ... I can't tell one from the other .. but that doesn't mean they are all the same ..

Well I forsure need your help when picking a pup then....I aint worth a crap at it I dont guess..Bad thing is I have one coming before long..I think I'll just take a leftover cause dont anybody else seem much better at picking them than me

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Posted by HOBO on 03-26-2009 03:13 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Justin Smith
If you have been around a line of dogs .. or coondogs in general ... and can't pick the good from the bad ... then stick to buying started dogs.

It's like asking Michael Jordan how to play ball ... he just does it , everyone has a talent ... sometimes it just aint the one you wish it was.

It that stuff wasn't true ... nobody would ever be a top breeder or trainer ... we'd all take turns , but we don't ..... some guys just stay on top and don't like to share .

I guess some folks look at pups like I would a flock of geese ... I can't tell one from the other .. but that doesn't mean they are all the same ..

I sure hope your not believing all that junk your writing.... Many top breeders will tell you that you can't look at a litter of pups at weaning age and pick the best one out of the litter...

What most people consider pick of the litter is the best looking pup..

Posted by forreststrickla on 03-26-2009 03:50 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Justin Smith
Coonhunting is a hobby , if the costs of raising a litter of pups hits you in the pocketbook enough that you need to sell every pup for top dollar then you have your priorities mixed up .... don't spend the grocery money on the dogs.

Some litters are exceptional .. but 90% of the pups born are culls and alot of them actually get culled one way or another ... I'll pay for the pick , but after that ... the other 6-8 are $25 dogs.

It's your lie your telling so tell it like you want. If you only get a 10% success rate I suggest you look at your training methods or start buying broke dogs so you stop screwing up the other 50 to 60% of those dogs that you claim are culls.

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Posted by Loren Simpson on 03-26-2009 05:28 AM:

Re: Pup Prices

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Originally posted by Justin Smith
With the economy in the shape it's in ... when can we expect pup prices to start dropping ?

You used to could go to one of the coonhound events and get some real bargains .... I can understasnd top price for pups from really nice gyps bred to a proven sire in the stud programs .

.. but , these so-so gyps bred to something local and maybe in just the P.P. ... and the sire and dam don't have older , started pups on the ground ... that's about a $50 pup right there ... dang sure not $200-$300 .

Professor Smith I already know this will go against your beliefs but my grandad raised a family of 7 kids during the "great depression" of the 30s by having COONDOGS and selling young started dogs out of his stock of dogs and once in a great while he'd trade a good dog for a team of mules, horses or land..

back then IF you could find work at a dollar a day you were lucky and those old dogs that could tree a coon once a month you were stepping in high cotton!!

it used to aggravate grandad when folks would train pups out of his stock to catch mink, skunk and other critters but they owned em and could do as they pleased with em but they'd never get another hound from him..

the bottom line is when it comes down to the nut cutting a dog or pup out of the right stuff will ALWAYS be priced higher than most think is cheap..

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Posted by mleck on 03-26-2009 05:51 AM:

Pup prices may dop back when dog fee gets to $10 bag, vaccine is .50 cents a shot, and gas gets back to .80 cents a gallon. thats when prices will drop.

That is my guess anyways but what do i know i give all my pups away to those that i want to have one.

Posted by haplo on 03-26-2009 07:24 AM:

quote:
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it cost more than 50 dollars to adopt a mutt pup out of the dog pound!!lol

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Posted by Justin Smith on 03-26-2009 09:33 AM:

Loren , you are right .... good horse flesh will always bring top dollar no matter the market.

I'm not talking about that and I couldn't post to that effect any plainer.

Hobo , not many folks have a gift for anything .... 99% of the progress in anything is made by 1% of the people doing it ... that's how it's supposed to be .

A genius wouldn't be above average if everyone was that smart ... but , these days you don't even have to be smart , you just gotta know what you're good at and be honest.

If you can't pick pups , then don't .... but don't say it can't be done just out of jealousy.

Posted by meandoldred on 03-26-2009 12:31 PM:

PUPS

A man once told me,"When you get a pup you get 100%, what you end up with is determined by how much YOU mess up." Was he a smart man ? Or was HE a genius ? Or was he like you and just full of himself ?

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Posted by Justin Smith on 03-26-2009 12:52 PM:

Re: PUPS

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Originally posted by meandoldred
A man once told me,"When you get a pup you get 100%, what you end up with is determined by how much YOU mess up." Was he a smart man ? Or was HE a genius ? Or was he like you and just full of himself ?

Every pup is born to be a coondog unless you mess it up ? Sounds like that guy must have been one of these "breeders" .

Posted by MikeO on 03-26-2009 12:55 PM:

i really don't know what it is but i have been pretty darn lucky with picking and starting pups.

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Posted by coondogedog on 03-26-2009 03:15 PM:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Justin Smith
Pets are an almost guaranteed investment ... but with coonhounds , a first time cross and unproven studs ... you're not talking about paying $300 for a coondog ... you're talking about going through several of them before you get a good one .

By the same token that folks who can't afford pups should buy them .... if you can't afford to breed dogs without worrying about getting your "investment" back .. then you're also in the wrong market.

I haven't bought a hound pup in six years .... but , I do like to experiment now and then .... but when everyone thinks that just because their dogs are bred good they deserve $200-$300 per pup ... good luck .

How about a breeder saying .. for $500 , I'll keep supplying you with pups til' you are satisfied .... that would be more justified ... invest in the company , so to speak. [/QUOTE

I agree with Justin. Pups should be in the $100.00-$150.00 range. Every pup is a gamble.

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Posted by treemydog32 on 03-26-2009 04:35 PM:

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I agree with Justin. Pups should be in the $100.00-$150.00 range. Every pup is a gamble. [/B]

EVEN THAT WOULD BE 2 HIGH FOR HIM..LOL HE SAID $ 50 TO $25 DOLLAR RANGE.....

but hey if i was as good as justin and could pick the best out a litter i would pay 500 a pup...

Posted by wayne f on 03-26-2009 11:09 PM:

pups are worth what someone is willing to pay no more no less
something to remember in buying a pup is in most,not all cases you get what you pay for

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Posted by ridgerunner88 on 03-27-2009 12:49 AM:

I have a couple friends that are into hot rods. One owns a machine shop and makes heads from alum. blocks in cnc machines, high dollar stuff. The other owns a hot rod shop and builds cars. They both have told me that they're not hurt by the economy because cars are a guilty pleasure and a thing of passion. People will find the money for what they love. I think working with hounds is the same way (walkers anyway...lol.). People will pay for what they love. I see prices going up if anything. JMO.

Posted by NY_BLUES on 03-27-2009 02:59 AM:

quote:
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If a person can't afford $ 200-300 for a pup then they have no business buying a pup. That $200 dollars is the cheapest part of buying the pup.

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Posted by Les Young on 03-27-2009 04:15 PM:

Picking pups

It's usually pretty easy when you raise them if you live where you can let them run free. As very small suckling pups Chris & I crack the opening in kennel doors just wide enough that mothers can't get out but pups can. They are allowed to come & go as they please. I look for natural indepence, the one that is always out & gone when I go to feed them before going to work in the morning( & after feeding in the evening) the one that is out checking things out or gone to the hollow behind house. I always end up with a pup that does its' own thing & uses its' own mind by doing it in this way & it's never let me down yet. This is the way I pick them for myself here. Treeing is a very strong & for the most part to much natural instinct nowadays especially. I realize most can't give pups free range & if I haven't hunted with several pups from other lines I'm not interested. After all they're supposed to be coonhounds & not treehounds. Treeing is way over emphasised for my taste nowadays & I absolutley can't stand a slick treeing, me tooing, babbling idiot. This is why I personally use first hand knowledge only. I'm still after coondogs first & not treedogs. I absolutley want a honest when it opens dog & not one running dog or barking out of over hyperness & must have trackdogs first.

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Posted by NCBLUE on 03-27-2009 04:32 PM:

hey ya'll the feds may get us for price fixin and colusion cause of this thread.....lol

Posted by MB KENNELS on 03-28-2009 02:02 AM:

pup prices

so then when i go to sell my jet bred pups for about 150 bucks apiece and these pups are going to be performence nom. i should be able to get rid of them im hoping

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Posted by HOBO on 03-28-2009 03:29 AM:

Re: Picking pups

quote:
Originally posted by Les Young
It's usually pretty easy when you raise them if you live where you can let them run free. As very small suckling pups Chris & I crack the opening in kennel doors just wide enough that mothers can't get out but pups can. They are allowed to come & go as they please. I look for natural indepence, the one that is always out & gone when I go to feed them before going to work in the morning( & after feeding in the evening) the one that is out checking things out or gone to the hollow behind house. I always end up with a pup that does its' own thing & uses its' own mind by doing it in this way & it's never let me down yet. This is the way I pick them for myself here. Treeing is a very strong & for the most part to much natural instinct nowadays especially. I realize most can't give pups free range & if I haven't hunted with several pups from other lines I'm not interested. After all they're supposed to be coonhounds & not treehounds. Treeing is way over emphasised for my taste nowadays & I absolutley can't stand a slick treeing, me tooing, babbling idiot. This is why I personally use first hand knowledge only. I'm still after coondogs first & not treedogs. I absolutley want a honest when it opens dog & not one running dog or barking out of over hyperness & must have trackdogs first.

Great post !!!!

Posted by josh tetting on 03-28-2009 03:47 AM:

I have a litter on the ground

right now and by no meens is it a ready handy litter. My female seems to be a quality reproducer, and the male i bred her to is a reproducer. the pups have a great ped and are performance nominated. Now with this being said I sold these pups for 250 a piece to me thats fair not high dollar but not too cheap. Friends told me i was crazy for selling them for so cheap, but they all sold by the time they were a day old. I'm not in it to make money and realy don't care if i break even. I maid the cross because i wanted it and to keep me in dogs for awhile. I'm glad people want the same thing i want and spent the money to get a pup from me. If noone wanted one i would have been just as happy to put them in the hands of my buddies. Hound pup prices are really cheap on average compaired to other breeds. I paid 1,000 for a chesapeke bay retriever pup a couple years ago and she died at 9 mos old.
My mom raises pugs she get anywhare 700 to 900 $ a pup and they don't do anything but fart and sleep. so you guys bitching about pup prices need to get over it. If you want quality your going to pay for it .......

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