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Posted by Steve Gilland on 03-25-2009 07:13 PM:

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Originally posted by burdette
it sucks, i guess the GOOD LORD is makin room for a better one.

Yep Jake I heard Hemi was going to be a nice one. Like I told ya before Jake everything always finds away to works itself out!!!

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Posted by Steve Gilland on 03-25-2009 07:45 PM:

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Sorry steve didnt mean to upset you. I do not know everything about training hounds, learn something new all the time, BUT I do know that shocking a dog while another dog and him are confined in a compartment of a dog box is probably one of the stupidist things that can be done with a shock box. JMO

I'm not upset just good ole back door humor!!!!

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Posted by Nocturnal Jeff on 03-25-2009 07:51 PM:

I have had two dogs castrated.Both were littermates that were ill on the tree.

It cured their "ill-nature", but both dogs lost most of their booming mouths within a year of them being castrated.

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Posted by steveburch on 03-25-2009 09:02 PM:

A SHE VET.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Steve Gilland
Thats what I did last night to him put that baby on 7 as soon as he started to mount the other dog his head about came thru the top of the box. I thought about sticking him in a kennel with another male or female and working on him with the shocker. I'm gonna call my Vet tomorrow and see what she thinks about it. [/Q UOTE] IF I HAD A FEMALE VET. SHE BETTER BE A COONHUNTER!

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Posted by burdette on 03-25-2009 09:13 PM:

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Originally posted by joseph mcdonald
Sorry steve didnt mean to upset you. I do not know everything about training hounds, learn something new all the time, BUT I do know that shocking a dog while another dog and him are confined in a compartment of a dog box is probably one of the stupidist things that can be done with a shock box. JMO

DONT WORRY ABOUT STEVE JOE HE JUST FORGOT HIS MEDS TODAY LOL.

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Posted by Steve Raleigh on 03-27-2009 01:16 AM:

Steve,
Ole papa John had a large write up in the Cooner just recently about this topic....it was a good read, if you get the chance have a look....As for Joe he has been around dogs and hunting for many years....everything Joe speaks of is from expierence and he will give it to you as honest as can be whether you agree or not is your choice, personally, I have known Joe for some time now and he is a very knowledgable houndsmen.

"Bottom line, Joe is just a wanna be coon hunter....he buys all these books and reads about the worlds greatest stud and just speaks bits and pieces of what he has gathered from other hunters...A Tim Ball wanna be is really all I see....For instance, Joe told me the best way to get young dogs started is to get them treeing on a large fence post with turtles laying on the top....yep you heard me right TURTLES!!! I couldnt believe it until he actually showed me he training ways with a big post and a couple Redear Sliders haha!! He also told me the way to keep coon around in your woods is to take Tootsie roll wrappers and tie them on the ends of low hanging branches with a trail of the actually tootsie roll on the ground!! Couldnt believe it until I saw 25 empty tootsie roll boxes in one of his hunting spots!!! IT WORKS"

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Posted by joseph mcdonald on 03-27-2009 01:24 AM:

Steven, you quoted mr. bishops coonhound training 101 there. Please do not associate me with anything that comes out of that mans mouth. LOL! LOL!!

Posted by Cody Carroll on 03-27-2009 01:46 AM:

just put him with a good ole grouchy female. he will get tired of gettin chewed up eventually...

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Posted by Emily on 03-27-2009 02:22 AM:

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Originally posted by Geminite
Through him in there with an older female that don't put up with BS. Have seen it several times, them young males think their tough till they try that crap on an old female. We usually put our young dudes in with Dawn, she makes 'em behave right quick......

thats my sense of it too.

I will add that I have two males, one castrated one not, and they are allowed to run loose in a fenced yard. They hump each other all the time in play and I don't worry about it. They worked out which is dominant long ago, and both will put up with the other doing it in play. Both are fine in most hunting situations, but will occasionally try to play with a dog they are turned out with if they don't think the situation shows promise of a track. This does cause trouble sometimes, especially the ore dominant of the two--the denutted one.
The neutered one was not neutered until he was two. He is beautiful,but one of his testicles never came down and I didn't want to breed him, so both were removed. He is still a gritty big game dog--can tree a bear and hold it single handed. He is fairly dominant even with un-neutered dogs, but not ill. I think his behavior patterns were formed before he was neutered. The only difference I notice is that he smells better to me and is now greedier about food. He isn't ill with the other male at all, but will gulp down his food to get more than his share of the other dog's if I feed them together.

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Posted by lightning1 on 03-27-2009 04:12 AM:

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Originally posted by Emily
thats my sense of it too.

I will add that I have two males, one castrated one not, and they are allowed to run loose in a fenced yard. They hump each other all the time in play and I don't worry about it. They worked out which is dominant long ago, and both will put up with the other doing it in play. Both are fine in most hunting situations, but will occasionally try to play with a dog they are turned out with if they don't think the situation shows promise of a track. This does cause trouble sometimes, especially the ore dominant of the two--the denutted one.
The neutered one was not neutered until he was two. He is beautiful,but one of his testicles never came down and I didn't want to breed him, so both were removed. He is still a gritty big game dog--can tree a bear and hold it single handed. He is fairly dominant even with un-neutered dogs, but not ill. I think his behavior patterns were formed before he was neutered. The only difference I notice is that he smells better to me and is now greedier about food. He isn't ill with the other male at all, but will gulp down his food to get more than his share of the other dog's if I feed them together.

I see your point Emily. I hunt mainly only males and have a 2 stall dog box. I have a topper on my pickup and like to hunt 3 or so dogs at a time. Those idiots are back there humping each other until the tail gate drops, then it's all business. I only seem to have a problem with dogs under a year old doing this when out of the pickup. I guess if I had a 2 yr. old doing it at the tree he would get a boot in his butt.

Posted by wayne f on 03-27-2009 04:37 AM:

Re: I'm getting

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Originally posted by josh tetting
my male drawn then castrated i feel it will stop the tuff guy atitude and improve his hunting aswell. I had a bear dog a few years ago he was real aggresive with other males we had his balls cut off and man with in a couple months he was a totally different dog... With the tecnoligy we have today with semen storage and AI i'm suprised more people dont get there males fixed.

why in the world would you collect a male that you had to castrate for ill behaviour cut his yes but collect him never aggressive behaviour is a inherited trate

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Posted by CaneToad on 03-28-2009 05:59 PM:

Re: Re: I'm getting

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why in the world would you collect a male that you had to castrate for ill behaviour cut his yes but collect him never aggressive behaviour is a inherited trate

I also was blown away by that stupidity, what a waste of time and cash. I hope I never buy a pup from a breeding like that!

Posted by josh tetting on 03-28-2009 07:12 PM:

my male isnt

agressive he just has habbits i don't care for such as pissing on everything sniffing females all the time. He display dominate behavior wich is different than aggresive behavior. Every litter is born with a doninate male and a dominate female you cant breed it out of them its decided at birth its in there DNA to be dominate or passive and i'm having him drawn because he is a hell of a dog and needs to have pups out of him someday. If you degenerate hillbillies knew how to comprehend what you read i never said he was ill i talked about a mean bear dog that i had. so good day

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Posted by Plottluvr on 03-28-2009 07:53 PM:

Re: my male isnt

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Originally posted by josh tetting
. If you degenerate hillbillies knew how to comprehend what you read i never said he was ill i talked about a mean bear dog that i had. so good day

Wow. Maybe if you were a bit better at the spoken/written language it would be easier to comprehend. Spell check it a wondrous thing.

Posted by CaneToad on 03-29-2009 08:28 PM:

Re: my male isnt

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Originally posted by josh tetting
agressive he just has habbits i don't care for such as pissing on everything sniffing females all the time. He display dominate behavior wich is different than aggresive behavior. Every litter is born with a doninate male and a dominate female you cant breed it out of them its decided at birth its in there DNA to be dominate or passive and i'm having him drawn because he is a hell of a dog and needs to have pups out of him someday. If you degenerate hillbillies knew how to comprehend what you read i never said he was ill i talked about a mean bear dog that i had. so good day

If I were you I would spend $30 and buy Walk With Wick and read it. Dominate behavior is passed on to the pups. So if you are ok with a litters of males that grow up to piss on everything and smell all the bitches before they go hunting that is up to you.

But, I will say casterating males is a good practice. It has changed quite a few hounds I have hunted with for the better.[I believe over half the intact males alive should be casterated. It would make alot of them better and that way if a bitch was bred by accident it would not be to an inferior male with dominance problems or other shortcomings.JMO] I hope everyone has a good day also!

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