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Posted by Maniac on 12-23-2008 11:42 PM:

Re: One thing that makes a difference,

quote:
Originally posted by John Wittenborn
is DRIVING TIME TO MAJOR EVENTS. I'm not saying it's the only reason, but there is a difference when you only have to drive a couple of Hours to a RQE, Zone, or World hunt. Compare that to having to drive 4-5 hours to an RQE, 6-8 hours to a Zone, & 15 hours or more to the World hunt. I'll bet your young BUTT wouldn't be making many of those trips, just like alot of the good dog owners out west, down south, & up in the northeast don't/won't do.

I know that when I still lived out in Oklahoma, we sort of felt OSTRASIZED when it came to the World Hunt & they were still throwing us a BONE every few years by holding the World Hunt out that way. One year I even got a WILD HAIR to hunt at the WINTER CLASSIC. I left by myself, when school got out on a Fri. evening, after an 18-19 hour drive I got there. That night I hunted in Florida, got a couple a hours of sleep & took out back for Oklahoma. I had to be at school at 7:00 the next morning, & I made it as far as Clarksville, Ark. & had to pull over & get a little sleep. Needless to say I didn't make it to school on time the next morning.

The biggest hunts out that way is Ada Walker Days & the Texas State Championship. I guess what I'm trying to say here is that alot of good dogs never make it to the larger Hunts back east, because of the driving distance. There were quite a few guys that I knew out there that wouldn't even, go to a RQE/Zone with their dogs because they were not going to drive all over to try an get quilified for the World Hunt, & it wasn't because their dogs were not good enough.

Marv ought to know the answer to this question, & that is in the last 35 years how many of Russ Bellers dogs were breed, raised, trained & hunted by Russ in Indiana.

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Posted by elvis on 12-24-2008 01:09 AM:

Re: One thing that makes a difference,

quote:
Originally posted by John Wittenborn

Marv ought to know the answer to this question, & that is in the last 35 years how many of Russ Bellers dogs were breed, raised, trained & hunted by Russ in Indiana.

Russ has never been picky where they came from or who raised or started them,and obviously who hunts them. At one time if he couldnt beat them he bought them. The past 20 yrs he has stayed pretty much with his own line of dogs, with the Handsome Deamon dog being the lone exception that I can think of. He doesnt raise any pups or start them. He tries to get them in good hands and then buys them back if he hears of a special one. He then hunts it himself for awhile and if he thinks they can win he passes it along to one of his cronies and he looks for another one.
If he dont think they can win, I get them. lol

The homecourt is a definate atvantage in just about any sport that I can think of, and coonhunting is no exception.
I look for a young dog best suited for where I hunt and Bellars dogs probably work as good as any here. I never really did understand why anyone would go across the country to get a line of dogs that wrks well in a different part of the country instead of getting one from a succesful line in their own backyard where the dog will be hunted 99% of its life.
Now if I have this dog on top of its game come world hunt time and the hunt is being held somewhere close with the same type of terrain, coon population, etc... I have a huge advantage over someone hauling their dog in here to my backyard from a totaly different envirement. You are almost gonna have to get lucky to beat me, even though you may have a superior dog on neutral turf or your back yard.

Posted by dogboy on 12-24-2008 01:13 AM:

i would

start 2 for 1 out of packman

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Posted by Maniac on 12-24-2008 01:15 AM:

Re: Re: One thing that makes a difference,

quote:
Originally posted by elvis
Russ has never been picky where they came from or who raised or started them,and obviously who hunts them. At one time if he couldnt beat them he bought them. The past 20 yrs he has stayed pretty much with his own line of dogs, with the Handsome Deamon dog being the lone exception that I can think of. He doesnt raise any pups or start them. He tries to get them in good hands and then buys them back if he hears of a special one. He then hunts it himself for awhile and if he thinks they can win he passes it along to one of his cronies and he looks for another one.
If he dont think they can win, I get them. lol

The homecourt is a definate atvantage in just about any sport that I can think of, and coonhunting is no exception.
I look for a young dog best suited for where I hunt and Bellars dogs probably work as good as any here. I never really did understand why anyone would go across the country to get a line of dogs that wrks well in a different part of the country instead of getting one from a succesful line in their own backyard where the dog will be hunted 99% of its life.
Now if I have this dog on top of its game come world hunt time and the hunt is being held somewhere close with the same type of terrain, coon population, etc... I have a huge advantage over someone hauling their dog in here to my backyard from a totaly different envirement. You are almost gonna have to get lucky to beat me, even though you may have a superior dog on neutral turf or your back yard.

very well said marv.

Posted by ElkCreek Kennel on 12-24-2008 02:14 AM:

Its because Indiana doesn't do Daylight Savings time so they get an extra hour of darkness a night to train their hounds.

Posted by Maniac on 12-24-2008 02:17 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ElkCreek Kennel
Its because Indiana doesn't do Daylight Savings time so they get an extra hour of darkness a night to train their hounds.

indiana does have daylite saveing time.

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 12-24-2008 02:28 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ElkCreek Kennel
Its because Indiana doesn't do Daylight Savings time so they get an extra hour of darkness a night to train their hounds.

what just because you move the hands on the clock dont
give you any more or less daylight

Posted by dogboy on 12-24-2008 02:39 AM:

the

best dogs must be in alaska it stays dark there for 30 days at a time.

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 12-24-2008 02:47 AM:

are atleast pull you in 36in of snow to find meat.

Posted by ElkCreek Kennel on 12-24-2008 03:04 AM:

They may have good hounds in Undian but they do not have a sense of humor.
So for all you Hoosiers I will type slow. T h a t w a s a j o k e.

Posted by Maniac on 12-24-2008 03:14 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ElkCreek Kennel
They may have good hounds in Undian but they do not have a sense of humor.
So for all you Hoosiers I will type slow. T h a t w a s a j o k e.

Are you makeing fun of us HOOSIER DADYS??????

Posted by truebluefordman on 12-24-2008 03:57 AM:

we might be slow but we aint dum,, we dont hunt in 36 in snow's and we dont hunt in mt a billy goat cant climb. and we dont hunt 10,000 acer woods with only one coon in it.lol....

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Posted by John Wittenborn on 12-24-2008 04:29 AM:

SHAZAMMM,

LOL.....................................................

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Posted by smokin-1-mo on 12-24-2008 05:36 AM:

FORDMAN

IS THIS OPEN FOR DEBAT..............WITH DOGS YOU HAVE PICKED YOU SEEM A LITTLE CLOSED MINDED..........

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 12-24-2008 05:52 AM:

Re: i would

quote:
Originally posted by dogboy
start 2 for 1 out of packman

was that before or after some write about the great circle
tree dogs?

Posted by dogboy on 12-24-2008 05:56 AM:

i still

would like a pup off pacman seamon.i know he threw some coon dogs.that was pleasure hunted here

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 12-24-2008 06:03 AM:

you mean you dont know pac-man was a longtime ago

Posted by honalieh on 12-24-2008 07:13 AM:

Where did the Purina Winner come from?

Posted by dogboy on 12-24-2008 07:59 AM:

came from a long time ago also i am not a spring chicken.

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Posted by BOOBOOBRADY on 12-24-2008 12:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Maniac
NO BUT WHERE DID THEY BUY THE DOG FROM? THEY DIDNT TRAIN THEM!!!

mostly from kentucky is were they com from

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Posted by engman99 on 12-24-2008 04:04 PM:

I would be willing to say that if you figured up the percentages Indiana has probably produced more winners of big hunts than any other state.
Hillbilly Mac is one you all missed.John Gossett won a SS with Chic I believe.
Jim Ridge has won a big hunt or two.
I believe Tar Nailor might have had an IN address when he won a SS.
Anyone mention Hardwood Henry?
Tim Whitaker has won a big hunt or two with the B&T's.
How many IN dogs have won AO?
Greedo,Watsons Buck,Steve Austin 3:16.
KY is probably in 2nd place if they aint in the lead,lot of big name dogs from the Bluegrass state.
You figure up all the World hunts,AO,Winter Classics,Breed days,I will bet Indiana dogs come out on top.

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Posted by Lowell Lynn on 12-24-2008 04:26 PM:

Ok, I am jumping in. I do not agree that most of the winning dogs come from Indiana. And I certianly do not agree that you can step out your back door and train your pup in thick coon along with thirty nights of hunting. What I do know is,like myself, there are a lot of guys in our state that hunt hard,train hard and work hard. I am sure that other states can say the same. If it was a easy as Smokey seems to think, Everybody would move to Indiana to raise dogs. They could make a fortune. I am beginning to see why Smokey has the nik-name he has. I think him smokey dopey.LOL

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Posted by on 12-24-2008 04:30 PM:

If it was as easy as Smokey thinks it is, then even he could do it.

Posted by John D on 12-24-2008 04:41 PM:

Its a numbers thing, I think. More coonhunters plus more coons plus more big hunts equals more top dogs.

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Posted by on 12-24-2008 05:18 PM:

Oh geez......here we go....................

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