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Posted by mr.p on 10-31-2008 07:42 PM:

just think voteing for obama you keep your huntings guns and you can get a job to by the bullets ok and we will all be safer with obama biden ,they will be more alert and smarter on the job ok i can go on and on but a lot of people is blind in one eye and cant see out of the other ok

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Posted by burdette on 10-31-2008 09:33 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by wvhounds
“I’ll keep my freedom, my guns, and my money,

you can keep THE CHANGE”.

Vote for McCain/Palin

IM WITH YOU

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Posted by john nannemann on 10-31-2008 10:13 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by superlooper
For one the media check out Joe, he's not even a lincesed plumber and he owes back taxes. He's along ways from buying a bussiness. They're all crooked, you can't tell me that they care about me or my family.

You just have to pic the lessor of 2 evils. As far as the gun thing, it takes more than 1 person to take them. As long as we support groups that protect our gun rights it will be very hard to get them. The more voices that we have the safer our guns are.

if i remember my constitution correctly, a good voice to have can VETO!!!!

Posted by truly on 11-01-2008 12:47 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Oak Ridge
I'm not sure where you folks get your "facts".

I looked at my insurance coverage just this morning. I have an employer backed policy, where they pay part, and I pay part.

I'm not sure I "like" McCains plan, but here is the way it truly shakes out.

I pay lets say for the sake of argument, $100 a month into my insurance plan. What Sen. McCain is proposing, is taxing me on that $100 dollars a month, that previously would have been taken out of my gross pay before taxes. Therefore, over the course of a year, I don't pay taxes on that $1,200.00.

Now let's say I'm in the middle income tax bracket of 27%. That means that I would have to pay $324.00 on my $1,200.00. That's bad right?

NO!!!! Cause under the McCain plan...I get a TAX CREDIT...for $5,000.00. I can use that to buy any insurance I want, including the employer based plan that I'm currently on, and invest the rest in a health care account!

From my seat...looks like a much better deal than setting in a waiting room under a government managed single payer system like the Canadians have!

joe, you missed a detail here- you dont pay taxes on what you have to pay yourself, you pay taxes on the health care that your employer provides for you. national average is around $12,000 per employee. subtract your 5000 tax credit now you are paying on only $7000. i will use your rate of %27. CONGRATULATIONS YOU HAVE JUST VOTED YOURSELF A $490 DOLLAR TAX INCREASE!

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Posted by Rip on 11-01-2008 01:14 AM:

Let me give you a little lesson about taking from the "rich" and Opramas wealth redistribution.

Walking in a cafe one day a patron saw a wino begging for money.

As he is being served he noticed the waiter wearing an Oprama button. The waiter was very happy to explain that he was for Oprama because he liked the fact that the evil rich people would have to give him money.

He thought this was very funny so at the end of his meal he paid the tab and prepared a very generous tip. After preparing the tip, the waiter seeing he had it ready came over. The patron explained that he was glad that he supported Oprama, and that since he did he was going to practice the wealth redistribution right now and give it to the wino outside.

"Hey, that's not fair I worked for that money and he just sits out there every day".

Well that's what wealth redistribution is, steal from the people that earn it and give it to people that don't.

Suddenly the waiter wasn't to happy with wealth redistribution.

If you think it won't affect you, well if you don't have a job it might not. If you actually work and earn money then you will most likely have your money stolen by the government too under his plan.

Bottom line is it just ain't right to steal from folks that earn the money and give it to folks that don't.

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Posted by Knox on 11-01-2008 01:33 AM:

Stealing

Like the oil companys have been stealing from hard working Americans.........

Like the CEO'S have stealing from their workers retirements and the big shots walking away with Millions, while the average worker loses everything.....

Like the Dems and Republicans are going to steal $700 Billion + from tax paying U.S. citizens to pay off the big-shots ?........

I would much rather give my share of any wealth ( tax ) to a homeless or someone on welfare for that matters, RATHER than see the Big-Shots and CEO'S get it..............................Tim

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Posted by zimmy on 11-01-2008 02:14 AM:

they will all promise a chicken in every pot and a cigar in every mouth,let's just wait and see what the next 4 years will bring?
anything is better than another Bush,and that's a fact .
I'm with the fellow that would like to see Larry the cable guy ,at least the news would be good for a REAL laugh at night.
let's just hope it goes fair and sqaure this time(counting votes
because it was pretty sad .

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Posted by CooperCreek on 11-01-2008 02:38 AM:

I didn't read everybody post's nor do I care to, except I did see the post saying that most people would be better under Obama's plan.

This just proves how many idiots there are in this country....or should I say people who can't rationalize beyond the end of their nose or see anything beyond what they are blatantly told.

Can somebody tell me how Obama plans to lower the deficit, fund all these great programs, and give a tax break to 95% of Americans? The fact is, he can't.

There was a debate from the 1992 presidental race on CSPAN a while back, with Clinton, Bush, and Perot. I was barely old enough to understand politics when this race took place, but I'm glad they replayed it so I could see it again. Amazingly, Clinton said he wasn't going to raise income taxes on anybody. Well guess what....first he raised the gas tax, and THEN he raised the income tax. I will also say, Perot was dead on with alot of his predictions. Alot of what he warned about, is happening today!

Here's another note. During the last debate, Obama said, and I paraphrase here..."once we find ways to get our young people educated, then we depend on these college educated people to (uhhh, eerrr) drive this economy." I will translate this to..."Once we find ways to get our young people educated, then we'll tax them and spread their income around."

I have an undergraduate degree and two years of graduate education. Now to work AND PAY TAXES, I have to pass a federal background check and drug testing. But yet for people on welfare to SPEND my money, they have to do neither of the above. ARE YOU KIDDDING ME!?!?!?!

Posted by mr.p on 11-01-2008 02:55 AM:

i just dont see how god gave one person a brain and left the next person head blank when you dont agree with their views, you no what i mean.

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Posted by Merritt Rice on 11-01-2008 02:59 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Nethery
I was going to vote for McCain, that is until I watched the debate, John McCain, has Voted with President Bush 90% of the time, he said this in his own words, he wants to tax my employer provided health care as income, and is looking out for the Fat Cat CEOs and Executives. He will DESTROY THE MIDDLE CLASS AND DRIVE US INTO THE DEEPEST DEPRESSION IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is not for Joe the Plumber, he is for Joe, the CEO.
Im voting for OBama, and I dont care who dosnt like it.

Obama voted 94% of the time with the liberals like pelosi and reid and never once voted with the other side and try to work together. Obama's plan promotes laziness by "spreading the wealth around" and giving a free ride to those that refuse to work with your hard earned money. That my friend is socialism and if that worked then all the mexicans wouldn't be up here trying to make a living, because Mexico is a socialist nation. Talk about destroying the middle class. You better do a little more research on Obama's plan before you do something drastic and waste your vote. Also since you are on this board I assume you are a hunter and gun owner. That right will be in jeopardy if Obama is elected. If McCain isn't for Joe the Plumber , then why did Joe endorse him. As far as his health care plan again Obama wants more government. Ask Sweden and Canada how that works out. They can choose to treat you or not it just depends if they want to pay or not. Once government has control my friend there is no going back. However it sounds as if Obama's smooth talking has talked you right out of your pants just like a lot of Americans. I respect your right to an opinion and I hope you will vote just dig a litlle deeper before you do.

Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-01-2008 03:01 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
joe, you missed a detail here- you dont pay taxes on what you have to pay yourself, you pay taxes on the health care that your employer provides for you. national average is around $12,000 per employee. subtract your 5000 tax credit now you are paying on only $7000. i will use your rate of %27. CONGRATULATIONS YOU HAVE JUST VOTED YOURSELF A $490 DOLLAR TAX INCREASE!

Truly,

If you can show me a reference that proves I will be taxed on what my employer pays, and what I pay....and the fact that the employer still gets to write off their contribution...I'll bow to your expertise.

I read the information three times....and I may have read over it....but I just did not see what your talking about.

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Posted by CooperCreek on 11-01-2008 03:02 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by mr.p
i just dont see how god gave one person a brain and left the next person head blank when you dont agree with their views, you no what i mean.

Well, if you can explain to me how Obama will cut the deficit, give healthcare to everbody, give everybody a college education, etc., along with giving 95% of American's a tax break, then I guess you have a brain. So go ahead, take a stab at it.

I just wish Obama was smart enough he could give an explaination. But then again, the only explaination I get is that he is going to depend on the college educated to (uhh, err, i..iuhh) DRIVE the economy.

Posted by Merritt Rice on 11-01-2008 03:19 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by superlooper
For one the media check out Joe, he's not even a lincesed plumber and he owes back taxes. He's along ways from buying a bussiness. They're all crooked, you can't tell me that they care about me or my family.

You just have to pic the lessor of 2 evils. As far as the gun thing, it takes more than 1 person to take them. As long as we support groups that protect our gun rights it will be very hard to get them. The more voices that we have the safer our guns are.

You're right it takes more than one person but if the liberals take control of the Senate they will probably have a filibuster proof majority. The democrats already control the house and it is likely Obama would appoint 2 to 3 ultra-liberal supreme court justices. With that kind of a majority and with the liberal money backing them they will be able to impose their will on us and we will be almost powerless to stop them. It won't matter if you can donate a million dollars to the NRA. They can't stop any kind of legislation when the anti's have that much power. My friend do not be fooled into thinking they won't go after our guns. Obama has NEVER voted in favor of any kind of gun legislation. They will start with handguns, then semi-auto's like the 10-22 and I suspect higher taxes on things like ammo and the gun companies. Please re-think your position on that for the sake of our gun and hunting rights.

Posted by Mark A. Hauck on 11-01-2008 03:47 AM:

Knox, Obama gets the support of Chicago and thus the state. The rest of Illinois could vote one way and we still cannot out vote the welfare part of Chicago so ...no Obama does not have Illinois and we don't like him or Dick Durbin or our corrupt Gov (Dem) and since Chicago has 68 seats in our senate they can control the state.

Mayor Daley and Obama suppoter and friend thinks none of us should own guns, and Obama voted with Daley's ideas in the Illinois Senate, voted against welfare reform and does not believe in Work reform and has for the last 2 years done a diss-service to the citizens of Illinois by not doing his job as an elected senator but runing for President

Just another step in his calculated program from start to end of just what he has wanted from the beginning.

Rural Illinois is NOT for Obama !!

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Posted by on 11-01-2008 04:26 AM:

Well taking from the people that earn a living and giving it to the low life scum, who are able bodied Americans, yet choose to live, as leaches sucking the lifeblood of America away through welfare, BS disability claims, and food stamps sounds like socialism to me.

When he makes it nearly impossible for good people to practice their second amendment right to bear arms to boot
it reminds me of communism.

Is Barry, yes Barry HUSSEIN Obama the dark skinned Hitler?

Barry must have sounded too American for his Muslim, middle eastern, TRUE AMERICAN HATING PRIDE!

Posted by on 11-01-2008 04:29 AM:

I was going to vote for McCain, that is until I watched the debate, John McCain, has Voted with President Bush 90% of the time, he said this in his own words, he wants to tax my employer provided health care as income, and is looking out for the Fat Cat CEOs and Executives. He will DESTROY THE MIDDLE CLASS AND DRIVE US INTO THE DEEPEST DEPRESSION IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is not for Joe the Plumber, he is for Joe, the CEO.
Im voting for OBama, and I dont care who dosnt like it.

Well if the Democratic run house and senate would let some of Bush, and McCain's votes worth while we may not have hit the dumps so much faster in the last two years!

Posted by truly on 11-01-2008 05:27 AM:

so did any of you feel strongly enough about your candidate to do any work for them so far, or plan to this weekend? anyone phonebanking? doorknocking? offering to give rides to elderly and shutins?
or are you just hanging out here chatting it up?

IMO - thats mccains problem- people like him enough to trashtalk his opponent , but not enough to get off their duffs and do something. Obama on the other hand has inspired 10s of thousands to give up their valuable free time to help out.
its my understanding that most of the [mccain] gotv work that is usually done by volunteers is being done this year by temp workers who probably dont even support mccain.on the other hand the Obama campaign centers are flush with help and volunteers.

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Posted by ringtail on 11-01-2008 07:58 AM:

fatcheck and the rest of u obama zombies...........

keep drinking the kool-aid.....

quote:
Originally posted by ringtail
this is probably the most important election, we hunters and gun owners will face..... the age old debate "the president can't take our guns" does not even come close to holding water this year..... for the 1st time, the most extreme liberal anti-gun candidate is very close to being elected president... our next president will appoint at least 3 (possibly as many as 5) SC judges and I will promise you, he will not appoint conservative judges (he will appoint judges that have his same extreme anti-2nd Amend. views).... liberal democraps already control congress and if they can get a few more liberal dem's elected to the house & sen. this yr they will have a filibuster proof majority..... as a hunter if that don't scare you, then something is wrong......

if obama is elected w/ a filibuster proof majority, gun rights & hunting privileges as we know them will be gone .....

please read the replies and see how many moles and so called "hunter" obama zombies are on this board trying to sway real hunters with their liberal talking points & propaganda......

I'm not voting for McCain, I am voting against nobama....

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Posted by Rip on 11-01-2008 10:03 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
so did any of you feel strongly enough about your candidate to do any work for them so far, or plan to this weekend? anyone phonebanking? doorknocking? offering to give rides to elderly and shutins?
or are you just hanging out here chatting it up?

IMO - thats mccains problem- people like him enough to trashtalk his opponent , but not enough to get off their duffs and do something. Obama on the other hand has inspired 10s of thousands to give up their valuable free time to help out.
its my understanding that most of the [mccain] gotv work that is usually done by volunteers is being done this year by temp workers who probably dont even support mccain.on the other hand the Obama campaign centers are flush with help and volunteers.

See that's a problem. Fame and stardom does not a good leader make. It just makes for a hollywood type fake person.

It's not trash talk, it's 100% true that he wants to outlaw guns, it's 100% true that his mentors are socialists/marxists. It's 100% true that he was a member of the Socalist party, it's 100% true that he associates with terrorists and supports them (Ayers is a convicted terrorist along with others). None of that is trash talk, those are facts about him and they are indisputable because he admits it for the most part. He has changed what he is publicly saying about guns now because it is in his political best interest, but otherwise he is pretty unapologetic about being a socialist. But, as long as you can promise to give people money, even if it has been proven that your proposals are physically impossible, all that other stuff is forgotten and glossed over.

Socialist, thats what Oprama is and always will be. Sure he can get people out, same as the Beetles, Stalin was popular too, so was Castro. This started with Opra, thus the name Oprama.

In his own words he is vehomently anti gun, opposed to profit and making a living, and wants everyone to depend on the government. He is a self proclaimed Socalist/Marxist. His most trusted mentors are socalists and yes actually convicted terrorists. He may be popluar thanks to hollywood, but that just shows how stupid the average American has become.

"It doesn't matter that he wants to take my guns, I don't believe he can do THAT, but he can give me money that somebody else earned. Opra likes him, he's cool, and he wants to give me money. I'll vote for him."

Same thing that democrats always depend on, greed triumphs above common sense. Always trying to get something for nothing and take from someone else. Their supporters always think it's somebody ELSE that will have their money taken away and it is THEM that will get the spoils of the thievery, and they never care enough to better themselves. All they want is for someone to steal it for them and hand it back in the form of some gubment program. It's sad really.

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Posted by trott on 11-01-2008 11:26 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
so did any of you feel strongly enough about your candidate to do any work for them so far, or plan to this weekend? anyone phonebanking? doorknocking? offering to give rides to elderly and shutins?
or are you just hanging out here chatting it up?

IMO - thats mccains problem- people like him enough to trashtalk his opponent , but not enough to get off their duffs and do something. Obama on the other hand has inspired 10s of thousands to give up their valuable free time to help out.
its my understanding that most of the [mccain] gotv work that is usually done by volunteers is being done this year by temp workers who probably dont even support mccain.on the other hand the Obama campaign centers are flush with help and volunteers.

I am just curious as to how these tens of thousands hold down a job and then go home to spend quality time with their family and yet at the same time volunteer for Obama on a daily bases? I am serious about this question, how do they do it? Thanks, Trott.

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-01-2008 12:38 PM:

Re: Exactly

quote:
Originally posted by Knox
I feel the same way...................................

It is NOT about being a Democrat, a Republican,or an Independent.....it is about the person, THAT is the reason I cannot vote for McCain......he is NOT for the average Middle-Class American......................Yes, he was a War Hero, I respect the man for that.........But I do not want him as President......!!!

I am voting for several Republican's during our state and local elections......along with Obama / Biden for President and VP.............................Tim

Tim,

I stumbled on this video, and I wanted to share it with you. I know that you have stated before that President Bush is at fault for our economic meltdown.

I think it's important that you understand that there is a LOT going on that you may not be aware of....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG...feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnS...feature=related

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 11-01-2008 12:45 PM:

Watch this one.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kri8...feature=related

Then watch this one....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61wj...feature=related

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Posted by Knox on 11-01-2008 12:53 PM:

Mark

quote:
Originally posted by Mark A. Hauck
Knox, Obama gets the support of Chicago and thus the state. The rest of Illinois could vote one way and we still cannot out vote the welfare part of Chicago so ...no Obama does not have Illinois and we don't like him or Dick Durbin or our corrupt Gov (Dem) and since Chicago has 68 seats in our senate they can control the state.

Mayor Daley and Obama suppoter and friend thinks none of us should own guns, and Obama voted with Daley's ideas in the Illinois Senate, voted against welfare reform and does not believe in Work reform and has for the last 2 years done a diss-service to the citizens of Illinois by not doing his job as an elected senator but runing for President

Just another step in his calculated program from start to end of just what he has wanted from the beginning.

Rural Illinois is NOT for Obama !!

Thanks for the reply.....................But here is what I see, you live in Illinios and dont support Obama because he hasnt done anything for your state, thats your opinion and I respect that, BUT at the same time there are Thousands in your state that do support him. Its the same here in Indiana, on our state level........Alot of people feel our Gov. Mitch Daniels,who is running for re-election, some feel he has not done a good job. I think he has done a very good job, I dont agree on every issue with him, but I will vote for him, and he is a Republican. You just will not find a whole State that supports just 1 candidate................Everyone has their right to vote for who they want, without being called every name under the sun.

This is one of the reasons I am so much against McCain, I see so many on this site that support him, but start calling people Idiots, Marxist's, Communists, etc. JUST because they dont agree with some on here on who they will vote for......I feel if McCain is supported by some of these Far Right ( way out there ) controlling fruit-cakes, then I will not support him....................................................Take care.............Tim

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Posted by gasserdogs on 11-01-2008 12:55 PM:

outfitnknls

who do you think sponsors that link it tells you right on the title you dont think they are going to tell you what you want to hear do you? where's all the other taxs going to be at under obamas plan they got to be some where sounds like thats all kept hush hush

Posted by Mark A. Hauck on 11-01-2008 03:52 PM:

Knox, thanks and yep I know what you mean, I was just rying to show you that in Illinois the city of Chicago outvotes the rest of Illinois. When the elections where held the dot over shi-town was one color and the rest of the state was an entire different color now that says something.

Our Gov supported by Obama helped drive out trucking co from our state by raising lic fees, tax, permits, insurance to 1000% higher than they have ever been.

Obama helped and supported driving out Rock River Arms, Springfield Arms, and several other special arms workers who make fire-arms for police, armed services, tactical operation teams, and yes.....private citizens because they don't want them, don't like them and well just hate guns !!!!

Obama got his rise from State majority leader Mr E. Jones who took laws written by other Dems within this state, let Obama intorduce them in his last year in the IL senate to make him look like a leader. ????

We know what he is, his South side Chicago work has been a joke, more crime, more welfare, more gov't assisted living, and when they use my tax $$$ to run public school buses to the projects to load up the base of the Chicago politics machine (welfare/gov't assitance living) to bus them in droves to the voting polls it is a NO-WIN situation for the state of Illinois.

80% of all taxes in Illinois go to keeping chicago going while they never cut anything, they just keep adding. If we could lose that city we would all be better off, and so would our state.

Our gov who will not live in the gov mansion cooses to fly to springfield every day.....at our expense, and he was..is..a supporter of Obama, and like wise for the reverse.

I can only say it will be a sad day for this country if Obama is elected to the white house, sad for working folks, sad for outdoorsman, sad for those who work hard for what they have because it will all be up for grabs and out the window

Obama - Pelosie - Reed ?????? no checks - no balance - say good-bye to many of the frredoms you have because they will re-write our Constitution to make it fit what they want...mark my words it will happen, how they think it reads is what will matter, and Obama will be appointing 3-4 justices to the highest bench in the country ???? Come now just think about it

I don't vote party lines, but in some cases one must vote agasinst the WORSE of 2 evils and that is what I'm having to do this year. I do not feel Obama will help this country, he will only weaken it, and make it worse. I feel he will use his position to promote his personal agenda, and weaken small businesses. He will destroy the military because it is a great way to cut cost, and in doing so will again make this country weak and a target.....Bill Clinton did it and look at 9/11

Obama has way to may radical ties to his baggage list, and his thinking is tied to these folks, he has to much typical Chicago politices to him and trust me you don't want that type of politics going on in the white house.

He believes in social welfare, get something for doing nothing !!!

The one great thing in this country is our right to debate and raise our issues about our gov't. I chose McCain not because he is better than Obama, Though I do feel McCain is qualified, but for the very reason that I feel McCain is less dangerous to this country than Obama is...simple to me and a very large % of folks up here in Rural Illinois.

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