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Posted by roughcreek on 10-03-2008 03:40 PM:

score 10 coons & 1 slick in 36 min. dont make me laugh !! LOL

Posted by m4rcut on 10-03-2008 05:24 PM:

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Originally posted by dkrause
if you would have read, all dogs did not tree together, ever. there were a few trees with 2 dogs on them and maybe 1 or2 with 3 but never 4 and this didnt happen in the fall/ winter or spring it happened in the summer with the leaves in full bloom. also you are gonna sit here and trie to tell me this summeryou and a friend/friends turned more then 1 dog loose struck a track the dogs treed the coon, you then walked to the tree leashed the dogs found the coon AND THEN MADE IT BACK TO THE TRUCKS IN 3 MIN? i would say sir that you are a liar and i will add this, my wife would like nothing better then to go on a vacation to TN i will be willing to give you 3 nights of hunting when we can make it there for you to accomplish this feat. if you succeed i will give you $1000 if you dont you give me $100

first of all I am not a liar and 2nd of all there was 3 dogs there and one was Loggins Dangerous Dan, top 100 dogs in the ukc world ,hunted by Mitch Loggins, there was a dog named Barney owned by Billy Smith (a ukc field rep), and MTN TOPS WAX, the dog i was hunting , and any of these people would tell you the same thing, IM SO SO SORRY that you are too narrow minded and don't have the dog power to have a coon treed with in a minute. THATS YOUR FAULT

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Posted by jculler8 on 10-03-2008 05:27 PM:

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first of all I am not a liar and 2nd of all there was 3 dogs there and one was Loggins Dangerous Dan, top 100 dogs in the ukc world ,hunted by Mitch Loggins, there was a dog named Barney owned by Billy Smith (a ukc field rep), and MTN TOPS WAX, the dog i was hunting , and any of these people would tell you the same thing, IM SO SO SORRY that you are too narrow minded and don't have the dog power to have a coon treed with in a minute. THATS YOUR FAULT

if i had a dog that could tree 5, or 10 or however many coon in a minute or less on all 5 or 10 or however many consecutive trees... i wouldnt be wasting my time on here bragging about it... i would be out breeding it and hunting it.

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Posted by on 10-03-2008 06:32 PM:

My dogs have treed more than a few coons in minute. I expect most of us have or have had a dog that could do that. I've seen plenty treed 30 seconds off the snap. But to do that 10 times in a row? 11 trees in 36 minutes under UKC Nite Honor Rules? Don't make me laugh.

Posted by mrbluedog on 10-03-2008 06:33 PM:

I do know one way walk dogs and cast to buckets if they open or signs they are there you cut them if not walk to the next one.But

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Posted by m4rcut on 10-03-2008 08:00 PM:

im not saying my dog does it every time but if 4 or 3 dogs do it every turn out ( saying they are in alot of coons and getting split) it is possible. No matter what anyone on here says it can be done plain and simple.

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Posted by wayne f on 10-03-2008 08:11 PM:

under ukc rules i would say your hound couldn't do it at any time

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Posted by m4rcut on 10-03-2008 08:17 PM:

and why is that ??????? turn the dogs loose. . . . . . they strike and tree with in the minute 20 yards from the truck. . . . all dogs there and treed in. . . . . you get there and tie them back with in a minute and a half of when you cut them. . . . . . . .Then you shine and the coon is looking at you plain as day. . . . .2 minutes gone and one to walk 20 yards back to the truck. . . . if you think thats impossible then your CRAZY

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Posted by jculler8 on 10-03-2008 08:54 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by m4rcut
and why is that ??????? turn the dogs loose. . . . . . they strike and tree with in the minute 20 yards from the truck. . . . all dogs there and treed in. . . . . you get there and tie them back with in a minute and a half of when you cut them. . . . . . . .Then you shine and the coon is looking at you plain as day. . . . .2 minutes gone and one to walk 20 yards back to the truck. . . . if you think thats impossible then your CRAZY

You count to ten. Ok... you can do that... now for the next ten trees you walk to while hunting you only have 1 minute to shine... o hell ill even give you 2... tell me how many coon you find out of those ten trees in less than 2 minutes!

Posted by m4rcut on 10-03-2008 09:56 PM:

places at home have feeder buckets that have had the same bunch of coons on them for years and haven't ever been killed and they all look. . . . . if a coon gets treed all the time and not killed they start getting used to it and looking more regularly

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Posted by blake jones on 10-03-2008 10:51 PM:

are you saying you did this or are you saying that it is possible? it is possible but you would have a better chance of winning 3 lotteries in a row. I have treed a coon in about 30 to 45 seconds from turnout. the next tree was about 45 minutes later. I know a fellow that starts pups on feeders. he has not shot a coon out on his feeders in probably 30 years, but for some reason they just refuse to look. you will usually find the bodies before the eyes.

Posted by m4rcut on 10-03-2008 11:45 PM:

im sauying i treed one in that fast not 10 but 10 is possible

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Posted by MikeO on 10-04-2008 12:56 AM:

Re: 11 trees in 36 min

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Originally posted by dkrause
so this has been a subject of a few discusions here while pleasure hunting or just among friends and i am curious what you all think. is it possable to score under UKC rules 10 plus trees and 1 slick tree in 36 min?

i believe that a lot more than i believe the 2nd place dogs score!..and nobodys talking about that one!

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Posted by GA DAWG on 10-04-2008 01:53 AM:

I cant make 11 trees in 36 hours where I am LMAO!!!!!!!!! REALLY!!!!!!!

Posted by Candianblueboy on 10-04-2008 02:26 AM:

I am by no means a comp hunter and we are over populated up here with coons to the point that the MNR have doing cull for any farmer with crop damage and I can show you coon in alot of trees at one time but there is no way I could pull my dogs off one tree and then have them tree again and agian for 10 trees in 35 min. JMO
We have had nights when the leaves are off that we treed well over 35 coon in one corn field off a big swamp and I could not of got the dogs on all the trees in that short of time. I am not saying it was not done just that man you would have to have everything go perfect for every tree and some well mannered dogs to pull it off.

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Posted by cableguy on 10-04-2008 06:14 AM:

Can't happen round here, someone on the cast always wants to take the whole 10min to shine.

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Posted by Jerry West on 10-04-2008 02:23 PM:

Under UKC Rules, 11 trees in 36 minutes is IMPOSSIBLE down here in Central Texas. We couldn't tie 11 coons in the trees and get them treed in 36 minutes.

Under UKC rules, time just will not allow this to happen. Even if, as I understand it, there was only two dogs left in the cast, 11 coons: 3 minutes per coon is just not right. Mabe one or two coons could be scored in 3 minutes, but not all 11 averaging 3 minutes per coon. Can't get two dogs to hunt like that.

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Posted by m4rcut on 10-04-2008 02:25 PM:

it is highly unlikely but if everything happens perfect it CAN BE DONE

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Posted by GA DAWG on 10-04-2008 06:18 PM:

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Originally posted by m4rcut
it is highly unlikely but if everything happens perfect it CAN BE DONE

Everything seems to happen just perfect at most of these major events..Its plum amazing!!!!

Posted by truly on 10-04-2008 07:05 PM:

i took a good long look at that card last night. having been on several cast that have gone over 1000+ plus points legitimately, it is amazing how you can suddenly put 600 points on the card in the blink of an eye. when i drew out with jet 8 two years ago when he was really clicking, he put up something like 1575 on a night that didnt even seem that good of hunting. i figured he had a score of about 800-900, til we did the math and had to rethink the whole hunt to make sure we hadnt written a drop down twice or something like that.
so after looking that card over in last months cb and trying to imagine exactly how the hunt went based on strike and tree positions, i have come to the conclusion that it absolutely could be a legit card. the cast would have had to have hunted along tree lines where shining was quick and easy. there was a drop where i believe three dogs were split and all plussed 125.if they got treed nearly simultaneously, near each other, they would not have had to wait the five on any of those trees. if the coon are there, shining goes a lot quicker. the part that i find hard to believe is that there are 3 circle trees and one minus scored during the hunt- rarely do people not use almost the full ten to shine a circle tree, and even more rare that a tree can be scored quickly if it is minused. in a normal hunt those four trees would have burned up probably 30-40 minutes alone.
on the first drop alone because dog b was out trailing the entire time [strike deleted] the three trees scored would have required waiting the five, considering that two of the trees were circled, which would usually require at least five minutes of shine time. three times five[waiting] plus three times five[shining circle trees] put you at thirty used on the first drop. on the 2nd and third drops they scored six more trees, and after that dog b withdraws and signs off on 29 minutes used.
from the point that dog b withdraws everything is possible timewise. when dog b withdrew, there would have been 4 people present when the card was signed. do we really think that four people together would falsify a scorecard together? a few of these guys are kinda bigtime. would they really risk there future in UKC to help out one dog? maybe, but i kinda doubt it.
this card really tells us the importance of signing the left hand column, filling in times and scores before leaving a cast. i would say the only possibility of fraud on this cast is if it wasnt , and was filled in later falsely. note that the original judge was the owner of dog b. there is no way that a judge leaving a cast would not know the time or scores properly when leaving, and fill it out properly.
all that aside, i would love to hear a play by play of the first few drops from someone on the cast. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I THINK WE SHOULD LAY OFF THESE GUYS. THERE WERE 790 DOGS ENTERED IN THIS HUNT. THAT MEANS ABOUT 200 CASTS OF DOGS. THE ODDS OF ONE DOG AND ONE CAST HAVING EVERYTHING GO RIGHT FOR TWO HOURS OF HUNTING TIME IS EXCEPTIONALLY HIGH. from a minnesotans point of view, we dont 790 dogs entered in all of our night hunts in an entire year. we dont have the coon population that ohio, indiana have, and yet inevitably every year someone comes in with a 1000 point night. if 1000 can be done here, 1750 can be done there.
just my two cents worth.

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Posted by crittergetter12 on 10-04-2008 07:14 PM:

i know i hunted up here in minn with ben and a few others pleasure hunting and we treed at least 9 coon in 1 corn field in under and hour ive also hunted with ben in the nite hunts that the score came in well over 1000 and it was awsome nite of hunting if u get in thick coon with a good dog its easy to put up a high score

Posted by GA DAWG on 10-04-2008 07:53 PM:

I believe a dog by ITS SELF can score that!!! Thats where the whole problem comes in..Why are most major hunt winners hunted alone the bulk of the hunt??? Seems strange to me!!!!!! All these hunts need to go to a 4 dog hunt off...Dont matter if its a reg dog.You take your top 4 scores and hunt them off.......

Posted by ringtail on 10-04-2008 08:28 PM:

Can I get in on this?????????

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...... more then 1 dog loose struck a track the dogs treed the coon, you then walked to the tree leashed the dogs found the coon AND THEN MADE IT BACK TO THE TRUCKS IN 3 MIN? ........ a vacation to TN i will be willing to give you 3 nights of hunting when we can make it there for you to accomplish this feat. if you succeed i will give you $1000 if you dont you give me $100

if m4rcut won't take the deal...humm, heck forget m4rcut, I will take this bet... when r u coming? next weekend? when? when? when? I can use that 1,000 bucks and I want it now!

no weasling out either.... u say cut dog, tree, leash, score & back in 3......... how about tree, score back in 3 all 3 nights for 1000 each?????

how can u call cut a liar? I know he's full of crap half the time, but he said they treed 1 coon and back in 3.... I will grant u that is almost impossible & will happen once in a long while (around here) hunting in the wild...... coon r thin here...... but for our little adventure I'll have some feeders out & we will be hunting real close to them, so be careful when u get out of the truck, don't want to knock over my feeder....... No Checks or Credit Cards & absolutely no credit, CASH ONLY....... bring ur money

more than once, I have had dogs tree close enough to the truck that I've found the coon from the truck.....

i have even had a dog tree from the tailgate, yes tailgate!!!!! I was tryin to get the magnet out of the tracking collar & my dog kept trying to get loose & tree barking for all she was worth..... I turned around to see waht she was barking at and there sat a coon about 10 or 12 feet up a tree & I could almost touch the tree from where I was standing.... I will admit that is the one and only time Iv'e had that happen, but it did........

now if you want to call me a liar go right ahead, but be prepared bacause after I take ur money, I'm gonna whip ur a$$ (unless I loose, then I be to humiliated to care)......

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Posted by jculler8 on 10-04-2008 10:36 PM:

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Originally posted by blake jones
are you saying you did this or are you saying that it is possible? it is possible but you would have a better chance of winning 3 lotteries in a row. I have treed a coon in about 30 to 45 seconds from turnout. the next tree was about 45 minutes later. I know a fellow that starts pups on feeders. he has not shot a coon out on his feeders in probably 30 years, but for some reason they just refuse to look. you will usually find the bodies before the eyes.

ive been on the casts that you tree a coon or TWO in the first minute the dogs are turned loose. those hunts are nice. a score of 500-600-700 or even 800 can be put up in less than an hour. it is VERY VERY VERY DIFFICULT to do that type of thing drop after drop in an entire 2 hour hunt. in fact it is nearly IMPOSSIBLE. it just amazes me and many others that these things seem to happen at the BIG hunts and hardly ever in the every weekend hunts.

ill tell ya what those guys must have put in their time with the buckets and hunting from dark to daylight the months prior to those BIG hunts. LOL LOL LOL

Posted by dkrause on 10-05-2008 12:19 AM:

Re: Can I get in on this?????????

quote:
Originally posted by ringtail
if m4rcut won't take the deal...humm, heck forget m4rcut, I will take this bet... when r u coming? next weekend? when? when? when? I can use that 1,000 bucks and I want it now!

no weasling out either.... u say cut dog, tree, leash, score & back in 3......... how about tree, score back in 3 all 3 nights for 1000 each?????

how can u call cut a liar? I know he's full of crap half the time, but he said they treed 1 coon and back in 3.... I will grant u that is almost impossible & will happen once in a long while (around here) hunting in the wild...... coon r thin here...... but for our little adventure I'll have some feeders out & we will be hunting real close to them, so be careful when u get out of the truck, don't want to knock over my feeder....... No Checks or Credit Cards & absolutely no credit, CASH ONLY....... bring ur money

more than once, I have had dogs tree close enough to the truck that I've found the coon from the truck.....

i have even had a dog tree from the tailgate, yes tailgate!!!!! I was tryin to get the magnet out of the tracking collar & my dog kept trying to get loose & tree barking for all she was worth..... I turned around to see waht she was barking at and there sat a coon about 10 or 12 feet up a tree & I could almost touch the tree from where I was standing.... I will admit that is the one and only time Iv'e had that happen, but it did........

now if you want to call me a liar go right ahead, but be prepared bacause after I take ur money, I'm gonna whip ur a$$ (unless I loose, then I be to humiliated to care)......

ukc rules mr ringtail. no scoreing or shining the tree till after the dogs are handled and it needs to be 3 dogs as he stated. I'll tell you what, I'll give you guys a month or 2 to practice, now remember be honest with yourself and bring the stop watch because it will be by the rules when i am there

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