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I've seen some dogs "trained" not to tree with another dog. You cannot pleasure hunt them with your friends. And some are ruined by this training. If I have to do this to win at a hunt then I'd rather not win. That is my opinion. I guess many of you think that if it ruins a good dog that it was never any good anyway.

Most areas I hunt recasting is going to get dogs out of pocket and crossing roads. We don't have a lot of coon and plenty of busy roads.

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Bill, I think what you and others are getting messed up on is this idea that you must train your dog not to tree with other dogs. That ISN'T how the winning PKC/AKC dogs operate. What we want is a dog that will go tree it's own coon whenever the dog is cast. If I pull my dog off a tree and cast her while another dog is treeing in the same piece of timber, I don't want my dog running straight over tere to cover. I want my dog to go hunting. it is as simple as that. Apparently there are some who simply refuse to believe a dog can be pulled pff a tree, sent on while other dogs are split treeing and go off and find it's own coon as opposed to running straight to the treed dog and covering. That someone doesn't have such a dog or hasn't hunted that kind of independant dog doesn't mean those dogs don't exist. And it doesn't mean they won't tree with another dog. It is amazing that so many seem to believe that if they don't have it, then it doesn't exist.

The other place that some of you seem to have a mental block is on this issue of recasting. You DON'T have to recast your dog across a 4 lane interstate hiway because the rule says so. What the rule says is that you can have the option of recasting if you choose to. I made this point before and it must have blown right past some of you. Rule 8(a) comes right out and says you can call timeout anytime dogs are in danger of roads, posted land, etc. If it isn't safe to recast, you don't recast. What's the problem?

Turn loose

WHILE a hound is treed,they better not let this go.

Jim, I do understand that these dogs do exist. I just dont like the rule because if someone played it right and the circumstances worked out then you could get away without ever recasting your dog after the first drop and still win the hunt.


I say leave the rule the way it is.

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A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'

That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.

I fail to see how that is possible but even so, are you actually worried about getting beat by a dog that spends the entire hunt after one tree...on the leash?

Lets say Dog A and B strike in that order. Dog A trees. Some time later, Dog B pokes around and gets treed, obvious split.

If both dogs have a coon, Dog A has 225+ and Dog B has 200+. Thats close, considering Dog A treed the first coon he came to, held pressure while locating and treeing from Dog B trailling away or striking another track.

The real flaw in the rules is that Dog B got points for 1st tree, when he didn't tree a coon first. But in this day and age when comp. hunters have decided Dog B is the kind of dog to have, you will never get the points reduced for THAT type of a 2nd tree dog. Meanwhile they will cry, whine, and beg for a tree countdown....

Getting leashlocked is not such a bad thing when you are sitting at 225+ and the most any other dog can do is 200+. But, if you got 225 circle, you desparately need to get turned loose to have a chance...

These rules have been exploited for the benefit of a certain kind of dog and alot of people have been suckered into following along. The funny thing is for all the effort to suit a trained dog, the dog that goes hunting, strikes and trails the first coon it comes to, locates quickly, trees solid and stays regardless of what other dogs do, still stands the chance of winning most of the time. So, leave the rule as is.

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Originally posted by JiM
Rule 8(a) comes right out and says you can call timeout anytime dogs are in danger of roads, posted land, etc. If it isn't safe to recast, you don't recast. What's the problem?

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Originally posted by RedBones4me
Jim, I do understand that these dogs do exist. I just dont like the rule because if someone played it right and the circumstances worked out then you could get away without ever recasting your dog after the first drop and still win the hunt.


I say leave the rule the way it is.

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Explain how..This rule is gonna prevent that more than anything! Thats the whole point..I'm wanting to cut mine back loose..

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A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'

That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.

I really dont think thats how it will be..If A dont cut loose..I dont think B will be able to either..They should I guess replace the OPTION part...

I'm not even gonna try to make sense of that one.