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Trusting a mean dog

I had a dog that i trusted with my kids and it would eat you up if you got near my truck.

one day he was on my box in the drive way and my 3 year old grand child wanted on the dog box and she huged the dog around the neck and he grawld at her that was his last day.


The hounds i have now are not aloud to be territorial over any thing . That DOG NEEDS A DIRT NAP!!!!!

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Originally posted by JiM
I wouldn't think about it for one instant any more than I would think about it if someone was sticking there hand threw the window to touch my child. My reaction would be the same.

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i just dont want to leave my self open to a law suit over a dog i know might bite someone or especally a kid !!

Laws vary with the state, to protect yourself consult an attorney.

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Originally posted by gfults
If people are ignorant enough to stick their hands in a box, cage, etc., where an animal is that they know nothing about, they deserve to get bit!

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We were also told the same thing about the "Beware of Dog" signs. A friend of ours put one up years ago in Cookeville, TN. They had a chow that stayed in a dog pen, never was out without a leash on but neighborhood kids (and adults) would walk into the yard and pet the dog without permission. One day a 9 yr. old boy was caught by our friends daughter running up and down the side of the pen hitting the dog repeatedly with a long stick. The dog would run from him, and the child would chase him repeatedly hitting him. The owners ran the child off and called his parents. Three days later the kid came back, and stupidly let himself in the pen to again hit the dog with a stick. He was bit by the dog, and the city police took him to the pound where he was euthanized despite the fact that witnesses saw the boy hitting him, the dog was on his own property properly fenced, and had all his vaccines up to date. The judge said the dog had to be destroyed becuase the owner must have known the dog was violent or they would not have posted the "Beware of Dog" sign.
So, we asked the sheriff what SHOULD be done. He said always post a "No trespassing" or "Private Property" sign, but NEVER a "Beware.."

Also, we have a dog that is VERY possesive of her dog pen. Se will even growl at extended family and friends (including one of her occasional handlers) if they come into her pen without us. Some say this is horrible and should be handled. But, after having a redbone male stolen from our yard during broad daylight a few years ago, I say this is theft protection. Our dogs are in the middle of a 13 acre piece of property accessed only by one way in, a private gravel drive that runs through the middle of posted private property. It's located in the middle of nowhere, out in the country where the only neighbors are family. Anyone who would wonder in there to those dogs is up to no good... If the signs don't work, then this dog will! She has been through obedience and socialization classes in our attempt to test her behavior for agressive issues. Made it through just fine, and is never agressive in the box or in public. Guess dogs are just like humans, each has their own quirks.

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Close the tailgate.

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I dont see how a judge can put a dog to sleep because a kid went into the pen? I i were in the position I would have appealed to a higher court. Did you know that if a person comes on your land and gets hurt they can sue you unless you have a no tresspassing sign?

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Originally posted by gfults
If people are ignorant enough to stick their hands in a box, cage, etc., where an animal is that they know nothing about, they deserve to get bit!

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I would say that if someone does get bit, you need to have them arrested for attempted dog theft. Do this before they can get you.

i had a friend who shot an intruder in the leg that was brealimg in his home. my friend said he didn't want to kill him but he, just disable him till the cops got there. afterwards the man sued him and my friends lawyer advised him to settle out of court for 10,000 dollars. his lawyer said the man could get alot more if it went to court. i guess he shoulda killed him. dead man can't sue.

just put a sign on your dog box... rabid spitting rabbits,stay back 20 feet.

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Originally posted by Sheriff Andy
i had a friend who shot an intruder in the leg that was brealimg in his home. my friend said he didn't want to kill him but he, just disable him till the cops got there. afterwards the man sued him and my friends lawyer advised him to settle out of court for 10,000 dollars. his lawyer said the man could get alot more if it went to court. i guess he shoulda killed him. dead man can't sue.

just put a sign on your dog box... rabid spitting rabbits,stay back 20 feet.

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he said he heard him coming in so got his 9 mm and sat in the bedroom floor and waited on him to come thru the window. several minutes i'm sure. he probably stated all this in the report. he ain't the sharpest tool in the shed. he probably hurt his self by being honest. i guess they were saying he had time to leave the house and avoid the intruder. but i'm with you, shoot to kill then ask questions. a man's home is his castle.

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Originally posted by gfults
If people are ignorant enough to stick their hands in a box, cage, etc., where an animal is that they know nothing about, they deserve to get bit!

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I've been told MANY times.If you shoot somebody.Shoot to kill...

Well I know why he lost then you have to feel like your lifes in danger and If you state you waited on him when you could have escaped then you would also be in the wrong. If he woulda said I felt like my life was indanger he would have probably had no issues.

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Sheriff Andy...

the problem with ur friends case is:

he stated he heard the intruder and set quietly waiting on him..... I assume he waited until he shot the guy before he call 911.....
he apparently was not in fear for his life.....

if he'd said; i was sleeping, the sound of breaking glass woke me up, I was startled when I saw the intruder in my bedroom, I was in fear for my life, I was afraid he was going to kill me so I grabbed my gun from the nightstand and fired... he would have been ok.

the guys actions was not what hurt him, it was his inability to articulate what happened that caused him to loose the case.....

PS.. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER SHOOT TO KILL........ if you do then you may face criminal charges as well as a civil suit......

always SHOOT TO OUT OF FEAR and ONLY TO STOP THE THREAT.... shoot center mass (upper torso), granted center mass holds the lungs & heart, but it is the biggest target and less likely to miss... u won't have time to think, just point & shoot......ur intent should never be to kill the person, only stop them..

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Good advice. Dead people can't sue, but their families sure can. I'd guess losing a wrongful death lawsuit would be more costly that what results from shooting someone in the leg.

Back to the original post, why not put some hardware cloth over the dog box openings so the idiots can't reach through? And, lock the doors?

All dogs are capable of biting someone. It just takes the right situation. When my kids were little, they were playing with a coonhide that I'd had out for some pups. My ol' female had no doubt been watching this "coon" getting thrown around the yard for some time. The hide landed where she could reach it and she then thought it was hers. When my little boy went to retrieve it, she bit him and opened a small cut. She had never been possessive about a coon in her life. These same kids had played with her and been hanging all over her and she enjoyed every bit of the attention. She never showed any aggression towards anything but a coon her whole life. But something about that coonhide tripped a trigger. Bottom line is she was a dog and you don't ever trust a dog 100% around a child.

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I dont care how many signs or warnings you put on the box, if a dog bites a child for any reason ,it needs to be destroyed.

If you have one you cant trust in the box,make sure the box is childproof.

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just put a sign on your dog box... rabid spitting rabbits,stay back 20 feet.

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Originally posted by elvis
I dont care how many signs or warnings you put on the box, if a dog bites a child for any reason ,it needs to be destroyed.

If you have one you cant trust in the box,make sure the box is childproof.

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WE CAN MAKE ALL THE EXCUSSES WE WANT FOR A DOG BITING SOME ONE BUT I DONT WANT TO HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE IDEA THAT I OWNED A DOG I KNOW WOULD BITE & IT BITE A KID OR ANYBODY ELSE & HURT THEM SEVERLY, EVEN IF THEY WAS STUPID ENOUGH TO STICK THEIR HAND IN MY DOGBOX. I JUST DONT WANT TO TAKE THAT CHANCE !!

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Originally posted by gfults
R u saying that if anyone, including a child, goes up to a dog, enters their domain and starts hitting the dog with a stick causing the dog to bite that child, it deserves to be killed? For defending itself??

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Re: vicious dog clause

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Originally posted by Blue Style
I had a problem with a catahoula I used to haul everywhere with me...he would not let anyone get near the truck...I put a sticker on my toolbox "Beware of Dog"...had a lady approach me one day that said she raises rottweilers...she used to keep those signs up, and one day one of her dogs bit someone...she lost her a$$ on it...at least in oklahoma there was a vicious dog clause, stating that if you have a dog that will bite, you should not have it where anyoen can get to it...at least on private property, put up "No Trespassing" and if someone gets bit then, you are not liable...that is at least what she told me....might check into it...maybe try a "Private Property" sign on dogbox?

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I have two kids myself, very young ones who don't realize the danger of playing to rough with a dog. If one of our dogs ever acted agressively towards our kids they would be destroyed, however it would have to be an openly aggressive act.

There is a HUGE difference in an agressive dog and one that reacts out of fear or pain. Think about it, if someone came into your home, cornered you, and began hitting you, what would you do? Should you be put on death row for defending yourself? Would it matter if your assailant was a teenager or an adult?

As for the dog box, these dogs are in an extremely tight space and under at least a slight amount of stress. A strangers hand coming at their face can be scary and for some dogs would be seen as a threat. Most who snap or growl in this case are not agressive at all, but afraid and/or feel threatened.

Unfortunately most people these days don't have the common sense God gave a mouse. They have no knowledge of animal behavior and therefore do not know the danger of intruding in a dogs space this way. It is unfortunate and extremely un-fair, but if your dog was to bite someone who does this then you probably will be sued, and you will probably loose. That is the way the world works now.

BTW.... as for the shoot to injure or shoot to kill debate. A dear friend of ours who has served over 20 years in the FBI told me a few years ago that if anyone ever breaks in on me, I better kill them. He said in all his years working criminal cases, he would say 8 times out of 10 when the suspect is not killed, they sue the victim and win. As a young woman with babies in the house, anyone who comes into my home un-invited with criminal intent will not walk out. I can't take the risk of having someone I shot to injure get up and take out one of my kids. Dead men don't hurt anyone.

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