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Posted by Justin Smith on 01-31-2008 02:46 AM:

They need to do something with these local bars before they worry about dogs ... there's always a bunch of drunks in there when I go .

Posted by Bev on 01-31-2008 04:35 AM:

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i have never in my 40 yrs hunting seen Parvo before this 7 mth old pup came down with Parvo. this was the first time i have ever seen this Parvo. i cleaned up afterwards and had problems with the next liter until i became aquainted with it and found out how to cure it. i have no idea where i first got it. i always take care to give shots on time while still chilled

I'm not doubting you, I'm just saying that we are sometimes at the mercy of the vaccine suppliers. The shots can sit out somewhere along the route, then be put back in the cooler at the retailer. By then the shots are no good - even if they are cold when you get them and give them on time. 45 minutes at room temperature and they're ruined - even if they are put back on ice. I buy mine at TSC and although they're cold and i go straight home with them, I always wonder if UPS or whoever delivered them to TSC handled them properly -- hopefully shipped in dry ice, but who knows?

I'm glad your troubles are over with it.

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Posted by Ringer3 Kennels on 01-31-2008 04:45 AM:

I've heard the TSC shots can sit in a truck overnight. I never had any problems with shots from TSC mind you..and bought my horse shots there too, but this is what I heard. I dont buy them there anymore just to be safe. I'd rather be safe then sorry. Havent bought one from them in over a year. They also keep them in a glass door fridge and its either the dog or horse shots that say no direct light. Might be the horse shots though. Like I said..this is just what I heard!!

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Posted by s/s on 01-31-2008 05:31 AM:

HAS ANYONE THAT GIVES THEIR OWN SHOTS EVER TRIED THIS PARVO VACINE? I TRIED IT THIS GO ROUND. JUST WONDERING IF ANYONE ELSE USES IT. IT IS A LITTLE MORE PRICEY THAN THE COMBO VACINES ALONE, BUT STILL CHEAPER THAN THE VETS OFFICE WHEN YOU HAVE A LITTER OR EVEN MORE THAN ONE PUP TO VACCINATE. I GAVE THE NEOPAR FIRST AND THEN THE REGULAR SHOT SCHEDULE.

THIS IS JUST THE INFO FROM WHERE I GOT MINE....IT IS SUPPOSED TO COVER MORE STRAINS OF THE VIRUS AND BE SAFE TO USE EARLIER ON PUPS. BUT, THEN AGAIN I DON"T SEE WHY START THE SHOTS EARLIER IF THEY GET BLOCKED BY THE DAMS ANTIBODIES...THE WHOLE THING CONFUSES ME.
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A viral disease of dogs affecting puppies more frequently than adult dogs. The Parvo virus grow in rapidly dividing cells like the intestinal lining (the biggest concentration of rapidly dividing cells in a puppy's body). Parvo kills these cells, causing diarrhea (often bloody), depression and suppression of white blood cells. Very young puppies can be infected in heart leading to sudden death. The most common virus in dogs, Parvo can be very hard to vaccinate a puppy successfully because of the mothers antibody protection the puppies receive while nursing. Vets recommend vaccinating starting at 6 weeks and continuing every 3 to 4 weeks tell 20 weeks of age. Vets suggest yearly vaccination, but it is possible that this vaccine develops lifelong immunity.

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Posted by s/s on 01-31-2008 05:34 AM:

I ALSO DID NOT KNOW THAT THE PARVO VIRUS COULD ATTACK THE HEART....THAT MAY EXPLAIN WHY SOME PUPS DIE SO MUCH FASTER THAN OTHERS....

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HAS ANYONE EVER HAD THIS HAPPEN OR KNOW OF THIS HAPPENING AT ANY OF THE OTHER LARGE EVENTS WITHIN THE LAST YEAR? BECAUSE I AM IN WEST TENNESSEE AND OUR VET TOLD US PRETTY MUCH THE SAM THING ABOUT THE NEW STRAINS OF THIS VIRUS. SAID THAT SOME OF THE VACCINES THAT WE GET OURSELVES AT OUR FEED & SEED STORES ARE JUST NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO GUARD AGAINST THESE NEW STRAINS.

I KNOW THIS WILL SOUND EXTREME, BUT I TOOK MY OWN CLOROX WIPES INTO MY VETS OFFICE AND WIPED THE TABLE DOWN BEFORE I EVEN PUT MY PUP ON IT FOR AN EXAM....I KNOW THEY SAY THEY CLEAN BETWEEN EACH PATIENT. BUT PARVO IS SOME BAD STUFF.

Posted by Bev on 01-31-2008 12:03 PM:

Sometimes we can't take everything we read on a subject as gospel. For example, the pups receiving protection while they are nursing. This is only partially true. Like in humans, the only mothers milk that provides immunities is the colostrum - the milk they receive in the first 2 or 3 days after birth/whelp. After that, it's just milk - nutrition, that's all. It just so happens that the immunities received those first couple of days will linger in the pup's system for about 5 weeks and then start to wane. Coincidently, this is about the same time a dam will wean her pups, so we are led to believe they were protected as long as they were nursing. A pup who received mother's milk the first three days and then bottle fed from then on will have the same protection as the littermates who nursed for 5 weeks.

Here's where vaccinating gets sticky. If you give the shot too soon (i.e. when the natural antibodies are still in the pup's system) those antibodies will interfere with the first shot. The first shot doesn't really give any substantial protection - it merely "formats" the puppy's system for the second shot to take. It's the second shot that begins to offer some actual protection.

So with that timeline, and considering it takes ten days for a shot to "take", I always gave the first shot as soon as they passed the 5 week mark. Ten days for that one to format, give a second one and wait ten more days...that's basically 3 weeks - 3 critical weeks that the pups has gone unprotected, but it's the best we can do. It's a wonder we don't have even more cases of parvo when you think about it, because our dogs are at higher risk than Mom's lap poodle.

I had parvo once upon a time, and I took some pretty extreme measures to make sure it didn't happen again. These days my pups stay above ground or don't play in the same yard as the adults until that second shot has had time to take. They have their own area, because running dogs can bring it in on their feet, and parvo can live in the ground forever.

On the second and third shots, I give the 8-way with Corona because there has been a resurgence of that virus in the States, and it mimics parvo to a large degree.

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Posted by doubleclutch on 01-31-2008 03:51 PM:

I am not blaming the State of South Carolina. I am blaming the people that bring their dogs in there well knowing they have not been immunized against anything. As far as returning to the Grand American, it is a great show and that is what we like to do--don't drink, don't smoke, have dogs. I believe the area needs to be policed by UKC or the likes to see what type of poor animals are brought in by the sellers--not showers--puppy mills. The dogs that died were all 4 months and up. The little Plott female that died was close to 10 months old and had had her shots. You are right, dogs come from all over the country and many beople bring in 30 or 40 sickly, skinny dogs to make a fast buck not caring anything about those dogs or those of other people.

Posted by Cynthia on 01-31-2008 04:41 PM:

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Originally posted by starlitekennels
How old were the dogs that got sick and died?

the 1 plott pup was 9 months old and had had all of their shots. I believe the owners were told that if the last shot was given prior to 16wks then that injection negated the immunity given by the mother. they also lost a younger pup after this one died as well.

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Posted by Cynthia on 01-31-2008 04:45 PM:

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Originally posted by Bev

On the second and third shots, I give the 8-way with Corona because there has been a resurgence of that virus in the States, and it mimics parvo to a large degree.

Best of running to all.

do you give one that contains Lepto as well?

Posted by coonhoundbabe on 01-31-2008 04:47 PM:

Parvo

We were just talking about this at my Vet this week. One of our Male dogs was sick when we got home from there. I just put him on three days of Albon and he was back to his self. I vac. my dogs twice a year first dose is with Fort Dodge and then 6 months later we use somthing else. My Vet said that you should not use the same kind of Vac because they are all made different. I also Vac. for bordetella 2x a year because at these places these trade dogs are not cared for like our dogs are. There were some really bad sick dogs there, but what are we going to do?? They re always around and we as owners are just going to have to make sure our dogs are protected!!!

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Posted by Bev on 01-31-2008 05:58 PM:

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do you give one that contains Lepto as well?

Yes - it's in the 8-ways that I buy. I've always vaccinated for Lepto in the puppies because mine tend to trial north-northeast where Lepto was mostly prevalent.

Two summers ago, my vet gave my adult dogs a separate Lepto with their yearly rabies/distemper because there's apparently a resurgence of Lepto, too, down here (Indiana) and pretty much all over. He said that vets were starting to report more and more cases of Leptospirosis. He didn't even ask - he just gave it to them and told me afterwards, lol. I'm lucky to have a vet who's also a hunting dog owner.

If anyone wants to read up a little on Lepto, I have a fairly decent article here, and one on vaccinations:

http://www.northamericanbeagle.com/care.html

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Posted by Riverbottom Ron on 01-31-2008 08:12 PM:

HEY GUYS AND GALS

I DIDNT GO TO THE GRAND AMERICAN,I LIVE IN ILLINOIS ,I KEEP MY DOGS VACCINATED AND UP TO DATE ON THERE SHOTS MY DOGS HAVENT BEEN AROUND ANY STRANGE DOGS EITHER , I HAD A 9 MONTH OLD DIE IN 12 HOURS THE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY AND NOW HAVE 3 OTHERS THAT HAVE PARVO,THE VET SAID IT WAS A NEW STRAIN OF PARVO,,SO IT GOS TO SHOW YA ,,YOU DIDNT HAVE TO GO TO THE GRAND AMERICAN TO GET THE NEW KIND,,,,ALSO IVE HEARD BAD THINGS ABOUT BUYIN YOUR VACCINES FROM THE FARM STORES THEY SAY THAT ALOT OF TIMES THE VACCINES ARRIVE AFTER A LONG TIME AT THE STORE AND GOT HOT AND THE VACCINES LOSE THERE EFFECTIVENESS,,IM JUST PRAYIN I DONT LOSE ANY MORE

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Posted by Bill(Chew) on 01-31-2008 08:49 PM:

ALL vacines must be able to withstand I beleive 5 days at room temp. or they will not be allowed on the market.

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Posted by wayne f on 01-31-2008 09:03 PM:

a kid i know in ga. bought a pup at the classics and within 2 days the pup was dead from parvo my guess is the pup was brought to the classic with parvo for it to die 2 days later pup was autopssied and parvo was the cause of death. the seller promised the kid another pup from his next litter, but it seems the breeder would have known the pup had parvo or at least was sick before he sold it

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Posted by Cynthia on 01-31-2008 09:21 PM:

parvo

what I have found is that there is a new strain called "Parvo F-strain". found references to it on a bunch of sites. I called both of my vets and neither have heard of it, one even said (her tech) that parvo is a virus not a strain!!! I told her this was supposedly a mutation of the parvo VIRUS.

was also told that the vet's of the dead dogs should call the manufacturer of the vaccine and report it. if you give your own, then I guess you need to call. and question about some guarantee or warranty with the shots.

Posted by Buckeye Dog Hauling on 02-01-2008 12:05 AM:

can you post the sites that tell about the parvo f strain you mention. My vet said he wasn't aware of it but I haven't spoke to him today so maybe he found something out. Darned glad I didn't transport any dogs/pups to or from the event.

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 02-01-2008 12:43 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by doubleclutch
I am not blaming the State of South Carolina. I am blaming the people that bring their dogs in there well knowing they have not been immunized against anything. As far as returning to the Grand American, it is a great show and that is what we like to do--don't drink, don't smoke, have dogs. I believe the area needs to be policed by UKC or the likes to see what type of poor animals are brought in by the sellers--not showers--puppy mills. The dogs that died were all 4 months and up. The little Plott female that died was close to 10 months old and had had her shots. You are right, dogs come from all over the country and many beople bring in 30 or 40 sickly, skinny dogs to make a fast buck not caring anything about those dogs or those of other people.

i thought you vaccinated your dog where they wouldnt
catch it.lol

Posted by Geminite on 02-01-2008 04:34 AM:

My sister had a Rottie pup that got Parvo last summer. He had all four of his puppy shots but still got the virus (they got all his shots at the vet, we give our own). It was some nasty stuff and $600 later he pulled through. They had to disenfect EVERYTHING including their yard with a bleach solution, and even that isn't guaranteed to kill it. We re-vaccinated all of our hounds because we knew we and even some of the dogs had come into contact with the pup. None of the hounds got it and boy were we glad. He had classic signs (we are pretty sure he picked it up at the vet when they had him neutered) as he showed signs about 8 days after coming home. Uncontrollable diarreah and vomiting, it was AWFUL!

I would rather vaccinate my hounds at home and do as much home vet care as possible. Nine times out of ten when you have your hound at the vet their immunity is already down due to stress/current sickness and that makes them even more succeptable to diseases/viruses.

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Posted by Cynthia on 02-01-2008 04:35 AM:

google or yahoo for "parvo f-strain" or "2c strain parvo"

Posted by starlitekennels on 02-01-2008 03:06 PM:

saw this at www.merckvetmanual.com
thought it was interesting

Canine Parvovirus
Etiology and Pathophysiology
Clinical Findings
Diagnosis
Treatment
Prevention and Control

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Etiology and Pathophysiology:
The origin of the canine parvovirus has not been established. The virus is very stable in the environment, able to withstand wide pH ranges and high temperatures. It is resistant to a number of common disinfectants and may survive for several months in contaminated areas. Rottweilers, American Pit Bull Terriers, Doberman Pinschers, and German Shepherds are at increased risk of disease. Toy Poodles and Cocker Spaniels appear at decreased risk for developing the enteric disease. Mortality associated with canine parvovirus infection is variably reported to be 16-48%.
The virus is transmitted by direct contact with infected dogs. Indirect transmission, eg, from fecal-contaminated fomites, is also an important source of infection. The virus is shed in the feces of infected dogs for up to 3 wk after infection. Recovered dogs may serve as carriers and shed the virus periodically.
After ingestion, the virus replicates in lymphoid tissue of the oropharynx; from there, it spreads to the bloodstream. It attacks rapidly dividing cells throughout the body, especially those in the bone marrow, lymphopoietic tissue, and the crypt epithelium of the jejunum and ileum. Early lymphatic infection is accompanied by lymphopenia and precedes intestinal infection and GI signs. Replication in the bone marrow and lymphopoietic tissue causes neutropenia and lymphopenia, respectively. By 3 days after infection, rapidly dividing intestinal crypt cells are infected. Viral shedding in the feces begins 3-4 days after infection and peaks when clinical signs appear. Viral shedding decreases rapidly and may no longer be detected 10-14 days after initial infection. Replication of the virus in the crypt epithelium of the gut causes collapse of intestinal villi, epithelial necrosis, and hemorrhagic diarrhea. Normal enteric bacteria, eg, Clostridium perfringens and Escherichia coli enter the denuded mucosa and may gain entry to the bloodstream, resulting in bacteremia.

Clinical Findings:
Infected dogs are often asymptomatic. Clinical disease may be triggered by stress (eg, boarding), and clinical signs may be exacerbated by concurrent infection with opportunistic enteric pathogens (eg, Salmonella , C perfringens , E coli , Campylobacter , coronavirus, and various parasites). The dose of virus required to cause clinical disease may also be a factor. Prolonged contact with a dog shedding high levels of virus increases the likelihood of disease. The incubation period is 3-8 days. Viral shedding may begin on day 3, before the onset of clinical signs.
Initially, 2 common clinical forms of the disease were recognized—myocarditis and gastroenteritis. Myocarditis was seen in young pups, especially in the early neonatal period. Infection led to myocardial necrosis with either acute cardiopulmonary failure (causing pulmonary edema, cyanosis, and collapse) or scarring of the myocardium and progressive cardiac insufficiency. However, myocarditis is no longer seen because effective immunization of bitches protects pups during this early period of life.
Gastroenteritis is most common in pups 6-20 wk old, ie, the period when maternal antibody protection falls and vaccination has not yet adequately protected the pup against infection. Most affected dogs (~85%) are <1 yr old. In dogs >6 mo old, intact males are more likely to develop enteritis than intact females, reflecting the tendency of male dogs to roam. Dogs with the enteric form suffer from an acute onset of lethargy, anorexia, fever, vomiting, and diarrhea. The feces are loose and may contain mucus or blood. The severity of clinical signs varies. Most dogs recover within a few days with appropriate supportive care; others can die within hours of the onset of clinical signs. A common complication is pulmonary edema or alveolitis.
Other clinical problems that have been associated with canine parvovirus include birth defects and infertility; however, supportive evidence is lacking.

Diagnosis:
Diagnosis is based on an appropriate history and clinical signs and confirmed by a positive fecal ELISA or hemagglutination test. The ELISA may be positive on the first day of clinical signs and for 3-4 more days. The ELISA may be false negative if run too early in the disease course; it should be repeated if the history and clinical signs support the likely presence of the virus. Leukopenia or lymphopenia is seen in most infected dogs during the course of illness. Neutropenia is suggestive of the disease. Hypoalbuminemia, hyponatremia, hypokalemia, and hypochloremia may be seen. Serum ALT levels are increased in some dogs. Diagnosis may also be confirmed by a 4-fold increase in serum IgG titer over 7-14 days, detection of serum IgM antibody to parvovirus in dogs that have not been vaccinated within the last 3-4 wk, or the detection of parvovirus particles in the feces using immunofluorescence, immunoperoxidase staining, or electron microscopy.

Treatment:
There is no specific therapy to eliminate the virus. Most dogs recover with appropriate supportive care directed to restoration of fluid balance. Oral electrolyte solutions may be used in mildly dehydrated dogs without a history of vomiting. More severely affected dogs should receive IV fluid therapy (lactated Ringer’s and 5% dextrose with additional potassium chloride [10-20 mEq/L]) to counter dehydration and maintain fluid balance. Monitoring of electrolyte changes is advisable. Most dogs that survive the first 2-3 days of disease recover. Persistent vomiting can be controlled with metoclopramide, 0.2-0.5 mg/kg, PO or SC, qid, or 1-2 mg/kg/day, slow IV).
Routine use of antibiotics is discouraged. More severe cases (eg, dogs with severe blood loss, fever, or loss of intestinal integrity) are predisposed to bacteremia and septicemia. In these cases, a combination of either ampicillin or a first- or second-generation cephalosporin, plus an aminoglycoside or enrofloxacin, provide broad-spectrum coverage.
Food and water should be withheld until vomiting has subsided. After this, small amounts of a bland diet (eg, cottage cheese and rice or a commercially available prescription diet) should be offered frequently. A small volume of warm, salted meat broth should be given concurrently. If GI signs recur after feeding, the dog should be fasted for an additional 12-24 hr before feeding again. If food can be tolerated, the bland diet is continued for 7-14 days, after which the dog’s regular diet can be gradually reintroduced.

Prevention and Control:
Contaminated areas should be thoroughly cleaned. Household bleach (1:30 dilution) or commercial products labeled for use against parvovirus are potent inactivators of the virus. The same solutions may be used as footbaths to disinfect footwear. Disinfection of hands, clothing, and food and water bowls is recommended. Pups should be kept isolated from adult dogs returning from shows or field trials.
Vaccination is critical in the control of the disease. Variants of the virus have appeared since the disease was first recognized, but current vaccines protect dogs against all strains of the virus. Vaccines containing live attenuated canine parvovirus generally induce more effective immunity than inactivated virus vaccines. The high-titer canine parvovirus vaccines now available effectively protect puppies against viral challenge, even during the period when maternal antibody titers remain high enough to interfere with active immunization but have declined enough to predispose pups to infection. Vaccination of pups should begin at 5-8 wk of age, preferably with a high antigen-density vaccine. The last vaccination should be given at 16-20 wk of age, and annual vaccination thereafter is recommended.

Posted by masterd1976 on 02-01-2008 06:09 PM:

You could have been the one that brought it in. Adult dogs can carry it for years and never show any signs what so ever. You could get it 1,000 and 1 ways. Any big event will have it on the grounds, wheather or not you vacinate your dogs or not they can still carry it home. I just went threw this and lost two nice pups, but there is just no way of knowing where it came from. They were all current on the shots, the first one I lost just up and died and had no clue way. Then a few days later the other started showing the signs of parvo. I had never had it or had I been around any dogs I knew that had it. Just another reason I won't bring home puppies from a big event like that. But I doubt anyone knew that they had dogs carrying the virus. But its up to you also to be sure to limit the exposure to other dogs at the shows. You see people walking their dogs all over and that is all it takes. They get on their feet and spread it everywhere they walk. You prolly brought it to them on your feet. Pravo has to be the nastiest thing I've had to go threw.

Posted by Clauzilla on 02-01-2008 06:32 PM:

If a dog died within days of going to the show and it looked like Parvo I would want to bet it was more HGE, its a bloody diarrhea/vomiting and the dog can die within a matter of a day or 2. We see it all the time at the vet hospital. Parvo while most people call any bloody diarrhea Parvo is simply a virus that also causes diarrhea and vomiting and the dogs die not because of Parvo but because of dehydration and blood loss, the only treatment for Parvo is symtomatic as its a virus you simply keep the dog on fluids, meds to prevent secondary infections and meds to control vomiting and diarrhea.
As for vaccines, while they help they do not 100% protect, there are now many thoughts on overvaccinating, as for me I do not vaccinate at all, I work at a large city vet and we see over 1000 dogs a week, all types of sickness, my dogs are healthy, I titer them, they have been around Parvo, Kennel Cough, they are fine, its a healthy immune system that protects, not vaccines. Diet, Health all play a huge part.
Also dogs dying that quick from different vendors should have been sent off for necropsy. Many states like Florida where I am require a health cert from a vet before a puppy or dog or cat or kitten can be sold for any amount. To purchase a dog or puppy without any type of vet cert and to spend a large amount without a guarantee is foolish.

Here is some thoughts on HGE from the Merck Manual

HGE (at least in terms of veterinary medicine) stands for Hemorrhagic GastroEnteritis, and it is a disease of dogs. In human medicine, HGE commonly stands for Human Granulocytic Ehrlichia (HGE). Click here to learn more about the human HGE disease. The remainder of this Q & A is in reference to the dog version of HGE.

What are the signs seen with HGE in dogs?
The most notable sign seen with HGE is a very sudden onset of bloody diarrhea in a previously healthy dog. Vomiting, not eating (anorexia), and listlessness are also seen. Dehydration is not usually clinically seen on initial presentation, but shock can develop quickly without treatment.

What causes HGE?
At this time, the exact cause of this disease is unknown. There are many theories - diet, a bacterial infection or bacterial toxin, virus, reaction to an intestinal parasite, etc. - but nothing has been proven. Stress may play a role in the development of HGE. Dogs that have an episode of HGE may be prone to another occurrence. Many dogs never experience HGE.

What breeds/ages/gender of dog are more susceptible?
Toy and miniature breeds of dogs, ages 2 to 4, are the types of dogs most commonly seen, but HGE can affect any breed, gender, and age. There is no gender predilection (HGE occurs equally in males and females).

How is HGE diagnosed?
HGE is diagnosed primarily by ruling out other causes of bloody diarrhea. The sudden appearance of bloody diarrhea and a high packed cell volume (PCV) in a previously healthy dog rule in favor of the HGE diagnosis. Other causes of gastrointestinal bleeding that must be considered as possibilities and subsequently ruled out include:

Gastrointestinal ulcers
Colitis
Parvovirus
Coronavirus
Campylobacter sp (bacteria)
Salmonella sp (bacteria)
Clostridium sp (bacteria)
Escherichia coli (bacteria)
Leptospirosis
Whipworms
Hookworms
Coccidiosis
Giardiasis
Warfarin (rat poison) toxicity
Thromobocytopenia (low platelets)
Gastrointestinal cancer
Hypoadrenocorticism
This sounds serious - is it a fatal disease?
Left untreated, this can be a deadly disease. However, with prompt veterinary care, most dogs respond to treatment and recover.

How is HGE treated?
The mainstay of treatment is aggressive supportive care -- no food or water by mouth for 1-4 days, and intravenous (IV) fluid therapy with Potassium added to the fluids. Antibiotics are also recommended (IV, subcutaneous). Food should be reintroduced slowly and, in the event that the HGE is food related, a new (novel) protein should be given that the dog doesn't usually eat, i.e. chicken, lamb or cottage cheese.

What is the success rate? Do dogs recover from this?
With aggressive supportive care, most dogs recover within a few days. Some dogs can have repeated episodes of HGE.

What should I do if I see vomiting or diarrhea in my pet? Is it an emergency?
This is a hard question to answer, because there are so many causes for vomiting and / or diarrhea. As for any situation that is "not normal" for your pet, it is always recommended that you call your veterinarian and discuss what is going on. Your veterinarian will be able to advise you if it is a situation that can wait or if it sounds like an emergency.

Source: The Merck Veterinary Manual 8th edition, pg 302

Posted by Cynthia on 02-01-2008 06:35 PM:

as you stated there are several things that can mimic each other, but for the dogs that I know about, they were tested for parvo and it was positive.

Posted by anscox on 02-01-2008 07:58 PM:

Parvo is a very powerful virus that can live in the ground for an extended period of time in the right conditions. We moved into a house one time that had been vacant for nearly 12 mos. The previous owner raised standard poodles. Had a young dog that had her first three sets of shots, day before she was due for her next one she started running a fever and not eating. Had parvo, but luckily only a mild form thanks to the protection of the shots she did have. She had never been away from home, and it wasn't show season. Most likely caught it from the ground, assuming the previous owners had a case of it.

We only use the same brand vaccines the vets use. Many of the brands you buy at co-ops and businesses such as TSC are not as strong as those used by the vets. We use Duramune now, never had a problem with it. We order it from a supplier that ships only under certain weather conditions in a cooler with lots of ice packs. It's guaranteed in 2 days I believe. Even in warmer months the ice has never been completely melted when they have arrived.

We also vaccinate against bordetella for ALL of our dogs. Kennel cough is something we just don't want to take a chance on, and once one gets it they all do.

I agree that this may not be parvo, it could be any number of other viral diseases that kill quickly... all with similar symptoms to parvo and easily mistaken for it.

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Posted by coonhoundbabe on 02-01-2008 08:54 PM:

Parvo

Was just at the Vet. today and we were talking about this new Parvo, and this is what he said to me.... There is a Corona Virus that is making Parvo test come back as postive and there is NO cure for it. It hits with in 8-12 hours and they will die. There is a artical on this in the Vet Med Journal about it. He is going to give me a copy of it so I can post it on Monday. Our Vaccines we are using are like water for it. He also told me to carry bleach water with me from now on to the shows and spray my feet and some wipes with bleach in them for my dogs and spray when we leave. It may help and it may not, but I'm so sorry for all the dogs that have died from this. I will try to post that on Monday for everyone to read.

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