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Originally posted by heidimarty
------------------GrNitCh Neuse River Dooley
------------GrNiteCh Neuse River Duley II
------------------NiteCh Piney Mt. Lady
-----GrNiteCh Neuse River Rambo
------------------NiteCh 'Pr' Fink's Sam
------------NiteCh'Pr' Kirby's Red Pepper
------------------NiteCh Fink's Red Lady
GrNiteCh'Pr' Cabin Creek Punkin
------------------GrNiteCh Hayes' Hard TimeSpeck
------------NiteCh GrCh Hard Time Trapper
------------------GrNiteCh GrCh Larshner's Tina
-----GrNiteCh Mathis' Hardtime Kate
------------------GrNiteCh GrCh Beshears' Blue Boy II
------------NiteCh Hovden's Blue Little Bit
------------------Dickeys Mary

This ought to give you an idea.

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I owned Hardtime Kate when she was old enough that I could afford her. She died at my house. She was a NICE dog!!!!

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getrrr done I gotrrr changed..lol.. My big ole clumbsy fingures have a hard time hitting the right buttons now and then.

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GRCH'PR' Red Raven Timber Thrasher
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GCH'PR' Ladys' Amazing Grace
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Autum Oaks Grand English Female 07)
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WCH GRCH'PR' Aspin Rain Timber Thrasher(2-1st place wins)
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CH'PR' Heidi's Hillbilly Dancin Amber(E-Days '06 BFOS)
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CH'PR'Ester's not in Kansas Anymore(E-Days '07 BFOS
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What stud dog still has little joe in his line (close'st)
I heard he was a heck of a dog.
chris..

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----------Gr.Nt.Ch Boone Creek Buck
--------gr.nt.ch. Meek's John
----------Carmen's Lady
------True Kash
----------Gr.Nt.Ch. Bate's Blue Kash(Out of Little Joe)
--------nt.ch. putthoff's Polly
----------Nt.Ch. Hall's Buckeye Kelly Sue
----ch.gr.nt.ch. Sargent's Blue
----------Rock
--------ch.gr.nt.ch. Boyd's Little Joe
----------Neil
------carroll's boyd lit. bell
----------Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. Hickory Hollow Hambone
--------coonshine sue
----------Gr.Nt.Ch.Ch. Hickory Hollow Apache Reba

--nt.ch.ch Tru-Blu Grit

----------Nt.Ch.Ch. Piatt's Buck Run Buck
--------gr.nt.ch. Sheppard and Johnson's Duke
----------Nt.Ch.Ch. Piatt's Hardtime Belle
------Wagner's Silvertone Hammer
----------Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. Beshear's Blue Boy II
--------Wagner's Silvertone Rose
----------Wagner's Dolly Parton
----nt.ch.Kizmo's Little Orphan Annie
----------Nt.Ch.Ch. Chigger Hill Golden Sonny
--------gr.nt.ch.ch. Hardwood Uncle Sam
----------Jennett's Tall Timber Pam
------gr.nt.ch. Belle's L.F. Lady
-----------Gr.Nt.Ch. Daron's Blue Reb
--------gr.nt.ch. Tree Line Blue Bell
----------Stewart's O.V. Red Penny
I dont know if he has the closest, but he does show him. He also goes back to Joe on the bottom side. If I can help you out in any way please feel free to call.866-220-6442.

Thanx Dave

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I think 4th gen is about as close as you'll get it anymore. I have an old female (9yrs) that has him in her 4th and shows him 10 more times in her 6 gen. Rodney Vanhorn has alot of line bred little joe stuff. Doubt that he has much thats closer but he definitly has pedigrees full of him.
Dave's Grit dog has him fairly close along with alot of other nice dogs that you don't see alot of anymore.

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GRCH GRWRCH'PR' White Reuben Timber Thrasher
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GRCH'PR' Red Raven Timber Thrasher
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GCH'PR' Ladys' Amazing Grace
(E-Days '07 Grand Female,
Autum Oaks Grand English Female 07)
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WCH GRCH'PR' Aspin Rain Timber Thrasher(2-1st place wins)
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CH'PR' Heidi's Hillbilly Dancin Amber(E-Days '06 BFOS)
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CH'PR'Ester's not in Kansas Anymore(E-Days '07 BFOS
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Ch GrNiteCh'Pr'Herd's Barber Creek ACE
'04 UKC English World Champion and 16th Place Over All
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Best track dog i have seen night after night was out GR NT KNIPPERS REBEL JACK.He would leave dogs way behind on a runnin track and could really figure out the bad tracks.

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One year old Grit pup got a first place last night with 1187 1/2 + and no minus. That makes a first and a third in 2 hunts with 1687 1/2 + and no minus. The guy that has him says he is winning by pushing tracks way out in front and being very accurate.

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if you hunt where there is coons yes,but down here is the south where this is thick as nails it is hard on a youg dog,but fi you got one that is doing good great.but when it is dry dusty and hard to track the neuse river line is the best i have one here and bill(iceman)britt can say to that.i have seen him track through the tougest stuff that you can name the only dog out there smellin anything.so bring your boots and lights we will show you a track and tree dog from top to bottom.

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The best track pushing dogs for rough counrty I've hunted are lightfoot dogs.
Brian

I would say Junior, Little Joe, and Amos

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Dose anyone know ?

What the dam to little Joe was out of ??
Or if she had any littermates ??
Jess

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Jess
Light Foot English

"They are often imitated but never duplicated"

getrrr done

You are correct !!!!!
Here is a pic of one of those littermates.

Jess

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Jess
Light Foot English

"They are often imitated but never duplicated"

Has anyone talked to Eugene about this ?
The story I've always heard nobody would know of any littermates to Nell. She was a wild dog nobody could catch and had no idea what she was. And not a clue who the sire was.
Joe was out of this female that had a litter of pups under an abandoned porch, Eugene drove by them every day. He couldn't catch the female but did catch a pup. He went to register him and looked down at the ground and seen a Rock,that became the sires name. He then looked at his wife "Nell" and came up with the dams name. I could be totaly wrong but this is what I have gathered from several old timers on those late nights at Oaks and English Days.
Not to discredit to anyone, just what I've always been told.

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Dennis "Marty" and Heidi West
Holden Missouri
(816)850-3987 or (816)785-1740
westshounds@yahoo.com
GRCH GRWRCH'PR' White Reuben Timber Thrasher
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GRCH'PR' Red Raven Timber Thrasher
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GCH'PR' Ladys' Amazing Grace
(E-Days '07 Grand Female,
Autum Oaks Grand English Female 07)
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WCH GRCH'PR' Aspin Rain Timber Thrasher(2-1st place wins)
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CH'PR' Heidi's Hillbilly Dancin Amber(E-Days '06 BFOS)
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CH'PR'Ester's not in Kansas Anymore(E-Days '07 BFOS
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Grch GrNtch'Pr'Howard Co Set'em Up Tree SHAKER: ______________________________________________
Ch GrNiteCh'Pr'Herd's Barber Creek ACE
'04 UKC English World Champion and 16th Place Over All
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heidimarty

You are in the same boat as I am. When you are talking about grade dogs from 50 years ago, All that we have to go by are the stories that the old timers tell.
The story of Neil and her two littermates was told to me by several people I trust. The story had no benefit to them what so ever.
But in the end it is just a story.
This is not in anyway to say that little Joe was anything other than a All Time Great Hound and the start of one of the very finest lines of English hounds the breed has ever known.
"Little Joe was the starting point of the little Joe hounds"
There is nothing here that is different than what Eugene told you. Being that Eugene never caught neil or knew anything about her, dose not mean that someone else may not have known where she came from. Just as if you found a dog tonight with no collar, You would not know the dog or anything about it. But who ever lost the dog would.
The Birdsong/Henry hounds were the starting point for a number of good bloodines in several breeds. Col. Birdsong and Dr. Henry line bred their line of hounds for years. And several people used them as a starting point.
Jess

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Jess
Light Foot English

"They are often imitated but never duplicated"

getrrr done

I think there was a story about this in one of the old year books. Do you remember what year that was ?
I think that it was Eugene who told the story about Mr. Hall and little Joe.

I am not Bill Clark, But I got my start in the Light Foot hounds from Bill almost 30 years ago. We are still friends in fact I spoke with Bill today.
Jess

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Jess
Light Foot English

"They are often imitated but never duplicated"

Who knows how it realy went huh ? lol..
However it went, like you said, it was the begining of something grand.
The dog in the pick, is that the Ike dog ?

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Dennis "Marty" and Heidi West
Holden Missouri
(816)850-3987 or (816)785-1740
westshounds@yahoo.com
GRCH GRWRCH'PR' White Reuben Timber Thrasher
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GRCH'PR' Red Raven Timber Thrasher
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GCH'PR' Ladys' Amazing Grace
(E-Days '07 Grand Female,
Autum Oaks Grand English Female 07)
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WCH GRCH'PR' Aspin Rain Timber Thrasher(2-1st place wins)
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CH'PR' Heidi's Hillbilly Dancin Amber(E-Days '06 BFOS)
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CH'PR'Ester's not in Kansas Anymore(E-Days '07 BFOS
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Grch GrNtch'Pr'Howard Co Set'em Up Tree SHAKER: ______________________________________________
Ch GrNiteCh'Pr'Herd's Barber Creek ACE
'04 UKC English World Champion and 16th Place Over All
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heidimarty

You got it. That is the first dog registered as a Light Foot hound.
Ike, The Light Foot.
I have always felt the Light Foot & Little Joe crosses worked so well because it was line breeding on old Neil.
I think this speaks well for the Birdsong/Henry breeding program.
Jess

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Jess
Light Foot English

"They are often imitated but never duplicated"

I think Little Joe complimented several diferent crosses. I don't personaly know much along the light foot lines but I've had several Tapp/Little Joe dogs that I thought the world of.
My old female I mentioned does have a few light foot dogs down the line. Rocket-sired Flash-sired Bruno.

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Dennis "Marty" and Heidi West
Holden Missouri
(816)850-3987 or (816)785-1740
westshounds@yahoo.com
GRCH GRWRCH'PR' White Reuben Timber Thrasher
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GRCH'PR' Red Raven Timber Thrasher
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GCH'PR' Ladys' Amazing Grace
(E-Days '07 Grand Female,
Autum Oaks Grand English Female 07)
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WCH GRCH'PR' Aspin Rain Timber Thrasher(2-1st place wins)
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CH'PR' Heidi's Hillbilly Dancin Amber(E-Days '06 BFOS)
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CH'PR'Ester's not in Kansas Anymore(E-Days '07 BFOS
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Grch GrNtch'Pr'Howard Co Set'em Up Tree SHAKER: ______________________________________________
Ch GrNiteCh'Pr'Herd's Barber Creek ACE
'04 UKC English World Champion and 16th Place Over All
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little joe

yes joe dogs can move tracks,but don't forget about the dogs he seemed to cross best with -tapp x goose- they could move a bad track to and also tree a lot of layup coons to.dogs like merks singing tapp,jewells tapp and williams blue goose and wilders little goose.these dogs were the foundation for a lot of dogs for the english breed.these dogs helped me along with a lot other people get a start with the english breed.also i would like to thank Ray Jewell for believing in my dogs enough to bring a friend over to female to breed to my ol dog she was a sister to sergents blue i am still hunting this stran of hound today.by the way my ol dog at the time was little joe-tapp-goose bloodlines.this was around late 1980's

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Originally posted by heidimarty
Has anyone talked to Eugene about this ?
The story I've always heard nobody would know of any littermates to Nell. She was a wild dog nobody could catch and had no idea what she was. And not a clue who the sire was.
Joe was out of this female that had a litter of pups under an abandoned porch, Eugene drove by them every day. He couldn't catch the female but did catch a pup. He went to register him and looked down at the ground and seen a Rock,that became the sires name. He then looked at his wife "Nell" and came up with the dams name. I could be totaly wrong but this is what I have gathered from several old timers on those late nights at Oaks and English Days.
Not to discredit to anyone, just what I've always been told.

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Originally posted by GayleFlowers
I have a Pic. of Little Joe's Sire. Dang does that make me old ?

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Apprarently

there is alot all of us could learn by studying up. Wonder who will tell the truth about this kinda stuff?? Speck at least he didnt have to be lied about. Everyone knew what he was. Lets all start breding the best to the best. Not by message board but by hunting them. Maybe then we will catch up with the walkers. I know you all are gonna jump on me for this one but lets face the facts. The walker men bred the best to the best. The English men its always been about "what line" u hunt. We will always be beat in the big hunts as long as this goes on. Ive found something real intersting about english people lately. They are real concerned with COLOR. Isnt that something.??? Isnt that the thing with English?? Color shouldnt matter. We have more lee way than than any other breed when it comes to color. Butttttt but it holds us back. Until we all got over this "we breed to certain lines" we will always be beat by the walker man. Thats a fact. Lets bring into this thread the best trackin walker dogs and where do we stand as English men? Im English thru and thru but honestly where do we stand?? How long ago has an English dog won the world hunt?? And I dont wanna see this crap of the walkers have more of a chance cuz there is more of em. Thats a fact. We all know this . So it should make it all the sweeter when we do win. But until the best are bred to the best it will never happne and we will keep on goin on lookin like a bunch of buffons. Lets hunt em and lets start breeding the great females in our breed to the great reproducing males. Not by blooodlines but by actual proven reproducing males. Where will this breed go from there?? Color................what a load of crap.

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NTCH J&J's Hardtime RocksAnne(deceased 2-7-07)

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Originally posted by larrypoe
I used to hunt quite a few direct Rocky sons and daughters back when we hunted pups for people. The ones I seen had drive to spare, and were tree dogs. Good mouths, and the tracking was kind of across the board. I remember one in perticular who made a habit of being found 3-5 miles from where you cut him in Jan/Feb when the coon were scarce. Seems like there were alot of them who were chop on track.


I will tell you one thing about Darroll. He flat out will not tollerate a dog who cant make a bad track fly.

They also have to be bawl on track and have a good locate. He wont tollerate a chop mouth track dog. His females have mouths that alot of male dogs would be proud of.


He is also the man who sold David Minson GRNTCH Cabin Creek Pukin. He raised her from a pup.

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Gayle.. Dog gone it. Now you just blew away all my theorys about Joe. . LOL. .
What 'is' the story on him Gayle? You've known Eugene awhile.
No... I'm not saying you're old. lol. I wouldn't do that to my buddy.


EnglishDogs. Not to argue bud, I know exactly where you're comming from, but personaly, most of the walker people I know are so stuck on color and lines it's pethetic.
I agree on the Coondog to Coondog theory though. Not every one that calls here gets to breed to Ace. I want higher percentages out of less dogs. Not a million dogs.
A buddy of mine ran an add one time. I forget the numbers exactly but it was funny and kind of said something we should think about before breeding.

Stud Fee :
GrNitCh females Free
Females that can tree a Coon $200
Females that can't tree coon $1000

Thats not exact but it gives you an idea.

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Dennis "Marty" and Heidi West
Holden Missouri
(816)850-3987 or (816)785-1740
westshounds@yahoo.com
GRCH GRWRCH'PR' White Reuben Timber Thrasher
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GRCH'PR' Red Raven Timber Thrasher
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GCH'PR' Ladys' Amazing Grace
(E-Days '07 Grand Female,
Autum Oaks Grand English Female 07)
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WCH GRCH'PR' Aspin Rain Timber Thrasher(2-1st place wins)
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CH'PR' Heidi's Hillbilly Dancin Amber(E-Days '06 BFOS)
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CH'PR'Ester's not in Kansas Anymore(E-Days '07 BFOS
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Grch GrNtch'Pr'Howard Co Set'em Up Tree SHAKER: ______________________________________________
Ch GrNiteCh'Pr'Herd's Barber Creek ACE
'04 UKC English World Champion and 16th Place Over All
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