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Posted by john bart on 07-28-2007 07:05 PM:

I just switched from dog chow to Hi Pro. Compared pups on Purina compared to Iams. Purina pups looked better at 8 months. Price is no comparison. My dogs will be on hipro this fall.

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Posted by Scott S. on 07-28-2007 07:54 PM:

I switched from Dog Chow to Hi Pro. Switched back to the Dog Chow. All dogs are different, but I get very little stool from the dog chow and better coats. The Hi Pro had the dogs shedding like crazy.

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Posted by C. Beyer on 07-28-2007 09:07 PM:

Been doin some research and I will more than likely be switching foods. been researching "Animal Digest". Its basically animals ,horses,cows,dogs,cats(dead ones from shelters) all thrown in together and cooked down and that is what animal digest is so I think I will be trying to find something without the animal digest and By-products try to find something alittle more natural and healthier for the dogs.
If any of you have info on such dog foods without all the Junk. Please, let me know I would appreciate it.

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Posted by chris simmons on 07-28-2007 09:31 PM:

Curtis,

The main ingredient in Pro Plan Performance is real chicken, not chicken by products. Or that is atleast what the bag says.

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Posted by Red Maineiac on 07-29-2007 12:35 PM:

Animal Digest

Animal Digest is a common ingredient used in pet foods. It is material which results from chemical and/or enzymatic hydrolysis of clean and undecomposed animal tissue. The animal tissues used shall be exclusive of hair, horns, teeth, hooves and feathers, except in such trace amounts as might occur unavoidably in good factory practice and shall be suitable for animal feed.[1]
As defined by the AAFCO, it is produced by chemically or enzymatically treating animal tissue (such as flesh, bone, organs, etc.) from slaughterhouses and other sources, in a process akin to rendering.
Yet another expert defines this as "a cooked-down broth" which can be made from unspecified parts of unspecified animals. The animals used can be obtained from almost any source and no control is in place over quality or contamination. Any kind of animal can be included: "4-D animals" (dead, diseased, disabled, or dying prior to slaughter), goats, pigs, horses, rats, euthanized at animal shelters, restaurant and supermarket refuse and so on."[2]

Posted by Red Maineiac on 07-29-2007 12:35 PM:

PRO PLAN PERFORMANCE FORMULA Chicken, corn gluten meal, brewers rice, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), poultry by-product meal (natural source of glucosamine), whole grain corn, corn bran, fish meal (natural source of glucosamine), animal digest, fish oil, dried egg product, potassium chloride, salt, calcium phosphate, calcium carbonate, Vitamin E supplement, choline chloride, L-Lysine monohydrochloride, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, niacin, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, garlic oil, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite.

Posted by Randy Wolfe on 07-29-2007 12:53 PM:

Mr Smith WAKE UP.

I'm Only 55 Yrs Old , But Was Raised With Huntin Dogges In A Very Rural Settin & We Took Corn To The Mill & Had It Ground For The Purpose Of Dogge Food Coon Carcases, Meat Scraps All Went To The Kettle & In The Winter Also Added Pressed Cracklins . Seemed To Work. I've Feed HiPro For Yrs With Real Good Luck & After Talkin To A Purina Rep , Don't Think I'm Changein & In Dogges Wolfe.

Posted by LostHeritageKennel on 07-29-2007 09:37 PM:

Pro Plan Performance is the only way to go. Dogs act ok on the Hi-Pro but they don't look as good as they should. On the Performance you can hunt one every night and they still stay slick and healthy looking. Also, they will gain more muscle and stay toned better on the Pro Plan feed. Just my opinion from what I have seen.

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Posted by Patrick Moore on 07-29-2007 10:10 PM:

Your first 5 ingedients listed on your dog food are the most important as the company has to list them by volume. If you see Meat Meal, Rice Bran, Corn Gluten Meal, Corn Bran, Wheat Bran, Brewers Rice or Soy listed in the first 5, then you would be best to find another feed. These are known as "fillers" and cost these companies as little as $8.00 each a ton to buy.
A dog will eat & live on most any kind of feed. However, it is the importance of the ingredients that will make a dog outperform another.
Ever wonder how a man on a horse supporting his weight and the weight of the saddle and other gear can outrun and catch a horse in the wild ? It is the Quality of feed. Think about it.

Posted by C. Beyer on 07-31-2007 01:12 AM:

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Originally posted by Red Maineiac
PRO PLAN PERFORMANCE FORMULA Chicken, corn gluten meal, brewers rice, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), poultry by-product meal (natural source of glucosamine), whole grain corn, corn bran, fish meal (natural source of glucosamine), animal digest, fish oil, dried egg product, potassium chloride, salt, calcium phosphate, calcium carbonate, Vitamin E supplement, choline chloride, L-Lysine monohydrochloride, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, niacin, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, garlic oil, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite.

The Items I put in red are junk. the Vit. K activity stuff is very hard on a dogs digestive system since they have a hard time absorbing it. The By-product of chicken is the whole chicken feet, legs, feathers, even stuff swept off the floor. I have found one food the is all good ingredients only problem for me is that it is like 56$ for a 40# bag

Posted by Justin Smith on 07-31-2007 02:49 AM:

The contents listed are before being processed so it changes from what is on the bag and after they cook it to be what is IN the bag.

Meat meals are better than meats because the meals are already condensed down and hold their volume better.

Corn Gluten Meal ... it gets a bad rap but wrongly so ... any good feed for active dogs has got to have energy in it . Corn Gluten Meal is not a filler .. it's a high energy food that gives feed it's kick .

The bags don't lie , but your sources of info all have agendas and they will lie to push their point of view so you gotta educate yourself and not fall for anything you read on the internet or in ads.

Posted by Eric Gregory on 07-31-2007 03:23 AM:

I wish some of you guys could see some of the rendering facilities that produce chicken meal and chicken by product meal you would have a much better opinion of the quality of our ingredients going into most of your dogs dry foods.

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Posted by LostHeritageKennel on 07-31-2007 06:43 AM:

A man full of knowledge about coonhounds once told me..."What you get out of a dog depends on what you put into them." And that has been a rule I live by since I have heard it and it has made my hounds fee, look, act, and perform better than they ever have since being on Pro Plan Performance.

Posted by OUTFITKNL'S on 07-31-2007 01:43 PM:

yes pro plan is good real good,but feeding more the 3 or 4 dogs that can be done.but what bout the guy that has 10 hounds i feed hi pro and have not had a problem with it,it smells great and the dogs love it plenty of energy can hunt all nite on the weekends.so it is what you can afford prices are going up as we speak.i feed bout 500lbs a month but purina pro club keeps the prices down.so people feed what you like!

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Posted by jackback on 07-31-2007 05:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by OUTFITKNL'S
yes pro plan is good real good,but feeding more the 3 or 4 dogs that can be done.but what bout the guy that has 10 hounds i feed hi pro and have not had a problem with it,it smells great and the dogs love it plenty of energy can hunt all nite on the weekends.so it is what you can afford prices are going up as we speak.i feed bout 500lbs a month but purina pro club keeps the prices down.so people feed what you like!

I think you are right. I went price shopping down at TSC and a 37.5# bag of Pro Plan Performance was 34.95. A 50# bag of Hi-Pro was 18.95 a bag. I'm sorry, but I can't afford to pay almost twice as much for less feed!!

Posted by Justin Smith on 07-31-2007 06:16 PM:

37 pounds of ProPlan will go as far as 100 pounds of the others .

You can feed three to four grown hounds on a gallon of ProPlan if they are parasite free .

Posted by jackback on 07-31-2007 08:08 PM:

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Originally posted by Justin Smith
37 pounds of ProPlan will go as far as 100 pounds of the others .

You can feed three to four grown hounds on a gallon of ProPlan if they are parasite free .

That is hard to believe! I'm not saying that you aren't right, but that is just hard to believe....

Any one else have this experience?

Posted by apes on 07-31-2007 08:20 PM:

we were feeding pro plan and then we got to any dogs and had to stop. i feed it to my show dog cause theirs only three of them! my brothers dogs get something i forgot what it is though i know you can only get it around here fait way or something like that! its pretty good. its cheap and has a lot of fat and protein in it!

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Posted by Chris Gerth on 07-31-2007 09:09 PM:

Feed

I have tried the PRO Plan and was able to get by with feeding 2 cups a day compared to the 3 and a half to 4 cups of Hi-Pro. I switched back to Hi-Pro mixed with Dog chow during the summer. My dogs seemed to get too hot on the Pro Plan during the summer. I will switch back to the PRO Plan during the fall, winter and spring. Puppies and bred females always get the PRO Plan regardless of the season.

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Posted by todd hollis on 08-01-2007 01:47 AM:

I HAD SWAPPED TO HI PRO ABOUT 6 MONTHS BEFORE
THE DIAMOND INCIDENT. I GOT TIRED OF FEEDING THE ANTS WITH DIAMOND. SO FAR I LIKE THE HI PRO,ATLEAST THEY EAT IT AS SOON AS YOU PUT IT OUT.

IM NOT GONNA LIE ITS BEEN AWHILE SINCE IVE PUT HARD
HUNTING ON MY DOGS DUE TO KNEE PROBLEMS. SO I REALLY
CANT TELL YOU HOW A DOG WOULD HOLD UP ON HI PRO
HUNTING THEM HARD.I WOULD BE LYING IF I SAID LOL.
MY SON DOES RUN THEM SOME WITH THE 4-WHEELER,
TO KEEP THEM KINDA IN SHAPE FOR WHEN WE DO GET
A CHANCE TO GO WITH SOMEONE.HE TRIES TO RUN THEM
EVERY OTHER DAY ABOUT 15 TO 20 MINUTES IN SECOND AND THIRD GEAR.

ALL BS ASIDE WE FEED THEM A 3 CUP BUTTER BOWL A DAY.
IF THEY WERE HUNTED HARD ID SAY WE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO 4 CUPS A DAY.

AT SAMS WE GET IT FOR 16.75 . FOR A MIDDLE TO TOP END RANGE FEED I DONT THINK THATS BAD.I HAVENT COUNTED
MY PRO CLUB POINTS TILL NOW AND I HAVE 22,500 POINTS.
IF CASHED IN THAT WOULD KNOCK A CHUNK OFF OF 16.75.

I WAS RAISED YOU PAY FOR WHAT YOU GET.AND IF I HAD A DOG WORTHY OF PUSHING IN THE HUNTS I WOULD TRY THE PRO PLAN.

Posted by Joey Donelson on 08-01-2007 01:53 PM:

Chris, it works out the same for me also. I was feeding about 3 1/2 to 4 cups a day with Black Gold and now with Pro Plan I feed about 2 1/2 to 3 when hunting. Dogs love it and they seem to do very good on it.

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