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Sheep, your just proving a perfect point. I dont want a dog to leave a tree, but I dont want to walk a mile to look at an emty either, therefore I really would not like either. But I want everybody to look at rhe replies posted above. If I had to own one of the dogs it would definately be dog "b". I love coonhunting, not tree hunting. It seems to me , just like Ive said before, comp. hunting is not doing the justice to the coonhound(not tree hound) breed. If your a serios comp. hunter you want dog "A" and will hope its a big tree with a lot of leaves, if by chance he does have a coon it might just be the break you need to win. I dont want a dog that I feel lucky "if" he's got the coon. That is just a tree dog. I can hunt trees without a dog. Now dog "B" will surprise you if he dont have the coon. Like Sheep said, he will stay well by himself. Well this dog is a coondog. Maybe not perfect but is treeing real coon when he trees. I would much rather have a dog I know I can take to the woods and consistently tree coon than one I can take and win a hunt by lieing and saying the coon "could be there" when I'm 99% sure myself it is not. Alot of these kinda dogs are being advertised and studded heavy and by breeding to them we are only hurting ourselves.

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you took the words out of my mouth,i like treening coon not trees,a lot of breeders are destroying the walker breed by breeding to tree dogs instead of breeding to a true coon dog,

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These dogs are exactly the same, except for their differences. This sounds like a Yogi Berra saying.

If you are looking at 9 coons on the outside of every 10 trees made then you are either hunting a hot nosed bust through the country pop up type dog or a freak of nature extraordinary outstanding dog. The bottom line with dog B is it would rather run track than tree. I have owned my share of those, and it is nothing but aggrevation. Around this area, if you don't have a dog that will stay hooked you don't have much. More times than not when you get a strike you will be in multiple coon. AVERAGED OUT OF THE COURSE OF AN ENTIRE YEAR, if you have a dog that will finish 9 out of 10 struck tracks, and you look at a coon on the outside of 6 of those 9 finished tracks, you have one that is above average in my book. This is just an observation from these Southern Ohio Woodlots. Different folks will tolerate different faults in a dog. If a dog gives you pleasure when you hunt it, then it is a keeper for you. One thing for sure, I am still looking for that "dog of a lifetime"! LOL

Allright, I gave it time and let yall post all about this. Now it's my turn. I'll keep this short and simple. I'm not interested in a dog "making trees", I want a dog to "find coons". Theres nothing more enjoyable than being down here in the south in the middle of winter with no leaves left on the trees and listening to your dog lift its head up and scream and know theres a VERY VERY VERY good chance your about to go see a coon. Not a bucket coon or a turn out coon or a tamed coon, but a real live, hard running, tree marking, boar rutting, trick pulling ole north Ga. coon that gets up and runs like a deer. Then getting to the tree and seeing him. Not a squirrell nest or a spider eye or a tree knot or a star, but a real live coon. Also, knowing that your dog didn't have to have any help but done it all by themselves in a totally natural environment. Also knowing that this coon wasn't struck off the tailgate of the truck but rather had to be found and worked for. Coon dogs find coons, tree dogs run around guessing. Just my opinion.

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Sheep, I totally agree with you. Also keep in mind that Sheep said that the dog would stay hooked by himself, that he only pulled to pressure. I've hunted with numerous hounds like this that were good solid hounds by themselves or even with a good dog that would back a dog when they are right. So many dogs are bred and trained to be so independant that they will run around and grab slicks all night rather than back the real coondog that has the meat. Once again this is another thing the comp. hunters feel they have to have, independance at any cost. Ihunted with a die hard PKC hunter several years ago that had a young dog doing a real nice job. He went to shocking the dog everytime it backed another hound and it did not matter if the other dog was right or wrong, he didn't want the dog there. This guy went on to do a lot of winning with this dog and advertised him as being real independant, in my opinion he ruined a nice prospect. It dont make for a very good hunt when dogs absolutely refuse to pack. Taking pressure and natural independance is one thing but refusing to hunt with others is a whole diff. issue. Sure, if a dog pulls to this type of dog it is a fault, bu like Sheep said at least you can take this dog to the woods in jan. by himself or with dogs that will hunt with others and tree real coon instead of looking at stars or squirrel holes.

Vic, I have to disagree with you. I feel it is the less accurate dog that is the hot nosed dog. He's the one that cant handle the rough track so he just sets down on a tree wether right or wrong. The good track dog takes the track wether good or bad and finishes it with the meat. I've also owned all types of dogs thru the years and have yet to find the perfect one, but I definately have owned several that were alot higher percentage than what you are talking, there might not be alot out there but they are out there and these are the ones I want. I will put the dog I'm hunting now against bout any dog for tracking ability and I will guarentee you he will have the meat a lot more than you are talking, good tracks or bad tracks. He will also finish every track he starts. Might have to cover alot of ground and take a while on an old hard runner but he'll get it done. I'm not trying to say he is perfect because he aint but thats another story. But he is accurate and finishes good or bad tracks. Not only are the comp. hunters breedin more unaccurate dogs they are breeding hot nosed poor track dogs therefore getting the misses on the tree. When a dog cant finish a track a lot of times they will grab the nearest tree. They dont want beat for coming back to the handler and the most comp. hunters will be happy the dog grabbed a slick rather than coming back. No minus only circle!

A smart dog that can't run that hard track should know enough to leave it alone. Won't be a track straddler that way. I do like a hotter nose dog that don't say alot on track. Just enough mouth to let everyone know where they are. The ones I can't stand are the ones that runs a tough track and still comes up empty. In my opinion a hotter nose dog will tree more coon if you want that style. Im not a hide hunter Im a pleasure hunter that likes to see a good dog tree coon, have the meat and yes, STAY!

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DOG A THIS IS THE KINDA DOGS I HUNT AND NE 1 WHO HAS HUNTED WITH WHITEY WILL TELL YOU AT THE END AND THE DOGS ARP SPLIT BET ON WHITEY TO HAVE THE MEAT 70 TO 80 % IS PLENTY GOOD ENOUGH TO EAT MY FEED

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i'm going with B.......

more than likely B's problem comes from the way you've always hunted him, sheep...... you prolly always hunt him with a group, i'd take B and hunt it by him/herself 5 to 6 nights a week for a couple months, then put him back with company....... if the problem had not cured itself and he leaves a tree again spade/neuter the dog and give it away.........


as for A, if i'm looking up 4 obvious slick trees outa every 10 i go to, A is gone.......


sheep if you look back at all the accurate (90% or better) dogs you've had, you'll find (or at least the ones i've had) they seem to hold all the pressure you can put on them.... the ones i've had problems with leaving trees to run w/ other dogs were the ones that usually didn't have meat anyway (don't know if they were ever broke from the habit, cuz they didn't stay around very long)

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Great feedback on this post. When I said you are seeing 6 coons on the outside of every 9 trees made, I did not say the other 3 trees were slicks. I don't know about everyone else, but around here there are den trees, holes in the ground, and a season with leaves on the trees. No, I am not saying every den, leafy tree, or hole is legitimate, but there are some that very well are legitimate. If you have a hound that hunts what you put it in (doesn't go a half mile in 2 minutes), can work bad and good tracks, and see 9 coons on the outside of every 10 trees made you are hunting one that I would say is a freak of nature. Those kind are few and far between. I have had the pleasure of hunting behind what I thought were several pretty good hounds (not owned by myself). AVERAGED OUT OVER THE COURSE OF AN ENTIRE YEAR OF HUNTING, I would estimate those several good hounds put up numbers of seeing 4 on the outside of every 5 trees made (80%), and finishing 24 out of 25 tracks struck (96%). I have never owned one of that caliber and as I stated above, I am still looking. If you are hunting one of those 90% hounds, I would like to tip my hat to you and wish you many nights of enjoyment following your nice hound.

SHEEPSTER I WILL GUARENTEE THAT YOU HAVE NEVER HUNTED WITH A 90% ACCURATE DOG. SOME MIGHT HAVE STRETCHES WHERE THEY ARE 90%, BUT YOU GO HUNTING THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AND SEE IF YOU CAN FIND 9 COONS OUT OF 10 TREES. YOU DONT HAVE TO COME BACK AND TELL US ABOUT IT, BECAUSE YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH. THE TRUTH MIGHT HURT YOUR IMAGE AS A MESSAGE BOARD ACCURACY HERO.

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SHEEPSTER I WILL GUARENTEE THAT YOU HAVE NEVER HUNTED WITH A 90% ACCURATE DOG. SOME MIGHT HAVE STRETCHES WHERE THEY ARE 90%, BUT YOU GO HUNTING THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AND SEE IF YOU CAN FIND 9 COONS OUT OF 10 TREES. YOU DONT HAVE TO COME BACK AND TELL US ABOUT IT, BECAUSE YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH. THE TRUTH MIGHT HURT YOUR IMAGE AS A MESSAGE BOARD ACCURACY HERO.

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SHEEPSTER I WILL GUARENTEE THAT YOU HAVE NEVER HUNTED WITH A 90% ACCURATE DOG. SOME MIGHT HAVE STRETCHES WHERE THEY ARE 90%, BUT YOU GO HUNTING THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AND SEE IF YOU CAN FIND 9 COONS OUT OF 10 TREES. YOU DONT HAVE TO COME BACK AND TELL US ABOUT IT, BECAUSE YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH. THE TRUTH MIGHT HURT YOUR IMAGE AS A MESSAGE BOARD ACCURACY HERO.

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Id rather have dog A. I dont mind it when a dog goes to check another dog if it is still trailing. But if it startes lookin up it better keep its butt there. No matter whats goin on around it. I hate it when a dog leaves a tree to another dog.

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SHEEPSTER I WILL GUARENTEE THAT YOU HAVE NEVER HUNTED WITH A 90% ACCURATE DOG. SOME MIGHT HAVE STRETCHES WHERE THEY ARE 90%, BUT YOU GO HUNTING THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AND SEE IF YOU CAN FIND 9 COONS OUT OF 10 TREES. YOU DONT HAVE TO COME BACK AND TELL US ABOUT IT, BECAUSE YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH. THE TRUTH MIGHT HURT YOUR IMAGE AS A MESSAGE BOARD ACCURACY HERO.

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Originally posted by bluedog16
I seen em be more than 90% accurate. If you dont belive me than thats your problem. I been huntin my lil gyp since november take out a few weeks cause she was off with pups. I have never walked to a slick tree with her. Every time i have walked to her she has had a coon. Or you could see the hole. Call me a liar if want to but till you have hunted with her. Dont say a thing. Also I know of a male dog that she was breed to. I have seen him miss once. An i have followed him round the woods my fair share of times. So dont starte talkin bout dogs that you have no ideal about. If you havent hunted with em then you dont know what they are.

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I don't hunt much this time of year. I hunt do most of my hunting when the leaves are off. When I do hunt, I see coons in 9 out of 10 trees. I know what I have. I know what I've saw. Don't "garantee" me anything. I'll "garantee" YOU this, I'm NOT a LIAR.

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Originally posted by BUSHHEAD
I see spitter has never owned or seen a real coondog. You sell your sunka river trash and buy a real elvis hound and you wont walk to all those slick trees.

Sheep dont worry about spitter he has never owned a real coondog hes just a wanta be.

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I like a dog to stay put. You can work on the accuracy. I voted for Dog A.

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Originally posted by sheepster
I don't hunt much this time of year. I hunt do most of my hunting when the leaves are off. When I do hunt, I see coons in 9 out of 10 trees. I know what I have. I know what I've saw. Don't "garantee" me anything. I'll "garantee" YOU this, I'm NOT a LIAR.

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Well ol buddy.How many did you post you treed the other night. HMMMMM I believe yall made like 3 trees and saw 1 coon. Dern thats way below 90%. By the way treeing in the ground counts as a tree also.. Aint nobody on here got a 90% + hound. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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I know what I have. I know what I've saw. Don't "garantee" me anything. I'll "garantee" YOU this, I'm NOT a LIAR.

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