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Posted by billie jo on 01-17-2007 03:38 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by bearhunter
LOL ,hog wash!

just like some people...that cant handle alot of high protien...
I'm sure some dogs cant handel it neither...
never tried it myself...I'll just stick w/ my Pro Plan...I think that is some good dog food...

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Posted by Mike Donaldson on 01-17-2007 03:46 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by billie jo
just like some people...that cant handle alot of high protien...
I'm sure some dogs cant handel it neither...
never tried it myself...I'll just stick w/ my Pro Plan...I think that is some good dog food...

Pro Plan Performance formula is 30% protein...4% more than the feed in question.

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Posted by redneck_girl on 01-17-2007 03:55 AM:

BilliJo, I just asked Dave what it was called, he said he 'thought' it was National (something or another). Was a long time ago. Anyway, it was 48-54% Protein and 26% fat. You were only supposed to feed 1 CUP a day, and the hounds pooped very little, like rabbit turds. It looked like rabbit pellets.
When that happened to Chief,(Quick Stop bred) him laying steaming in the snow, it scared me to death! The vet we were using at the time said that the high protein over heated his kidneys. So, we switched to Joy at that time, I didn't like the way the hounds looked or acted on that, so went to Diamond. They've been doing real well on it.
Our hounds go to the Vet (Doud's in Oberlin now) every six months for check-ups and shots when needed. Smoke and Rowdy get there yearly prostate exam, Dancer he mammary exam. Can never be too careful. He reccomends no higher protein that 21% in winter and 18% in summer. But, as always, that's his opinion. I'm sure by morning, I'll be wrong about that too.

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Posted by Chet McCreary on 01-17-2007 06:00 AM:

Sportmix is not a bad feed at all.....The harder a dog is hunted the higher protien and fat they will need... a 24-20 0r 26-18 is what the (average dog) will need..If they cant keep weight on a 30-20 should be feed on the real hard hunted dogs..But all dogs are different some look good on Walmark feed and others will look real bad ...I did l feed Sportmix,Diamond,Blackgold,kasko,Joy for years and sold them..I tryed Ultra Advantage 24-20 thats ALL I feed now..All my dogs look great on it.Pups to the old dogs.I also feed less than any other feed...That makes it even cheaper in the long run..Ive always feed 26-18 year round for 40 +years...Its never hurt any of my dogs.They live on average 14-15 years old..........

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Posted by billie jo on 01-17-2007 08:58 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by MBD
Pro Plan Performance formula is 30% protein...4% more than the feed in question.

Purina Pro Plan, Chicken an Rice..26% protien
Good Dog food, for good dogs....priceless

Where do you buy this Sportmix? I dont think I have ever noticed it before..then again I was'nt looking..LOL
How much does it cost for a 50 lbs bag?

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Posted by redneck_girl on 01-17-2007 11:05 AM:

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NOT TO GIVE THE DOGS ABOVE 28% PROTEN UNLESS YOU WERE RUNNING THEM HARD ENOUGH THAT THEY NEEDED IT TO KEEP GOING AND TO TRY HIGHER FAT CONTENT FIRST .POSIBLE OUTCOMES ARE STROKE AND KIDNEE FAILRURE.AND THEY WHENT ON TO SAY THE STRONGER THEIR BREAD THE LESS THEY SHOULD NEED PROTENE THEIR BODYS TEAND TO PROCESS FATS VERY WELL TO PROTENES THAT DO NOT HERT THEIR KIDNEYS

Obviously, my vet isn't the only one. Thank You John for posting that information.

Posted by Robert Johnson on 01-17-2007 05:31 PM:

I feed 26/18 Sportmix to my Treeing Walker male, and my redbone female. They both are in great shape and stay that way. Black Gold wasn't avaiable in my area, so i searched and found this to be the best alternative. I might add, it produces just as well, and is cheaper. Good for the dogs, great for the pocket book.

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Posted by Mike Donaldson on 01-17-2007 08:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by redneck_girl
Obviously, my vet isn't the only one. Thank You John for posting that information.

Go read all of the post again. You stated 26% protein would do damage to the kidneys. I realize that dogs can be given too much protein, but 26% is not too much for a working dog. John's vet said not to feed over 28% "unless you are running them hard". According to the post your vet said not to feed over a 21% in the Winter or a 18% in the Summer (Where do you find dog food less than 18% protein?). These are in no way the same recommendations from these two vets.

Posted by Latham1467 on 01-17-2007 08:15 PM:

Russell Able is getting it done Won his cast friday night in the pouring rain at the Grand American now Able eats plenty of Palmetto Pride but I personaly feed Diamond but Adam likes the Palmetto Pride.. now me and adam have an excuse when Able doesnt do right he's still got that Sportmix in em

Posted by Russell Boyette on 01-17-2007 08:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Latham1467
Russell Able is getting it done Won his cast friday night in the pouring rain at the Grand American now Able eats plenty of Palmetto Pride but I personaly feed Diamond but Adam likes the Palmetto Pride.. now me and adam have an excuse when Able doesnt do right he's still got that Sportmix in em

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Posted by Latham1467 on 01-18-2007 02:19 AM:

I'll check around for you ...How much does he want for the pup

Posted by drakebauer on 01-18-2007 04:29 AM:

national dog food

yes you are correct that was a pelleted dog food. it was hard to get dogs to eat that stuff.

I carried a line of dog food over the years. When talking to the nutrtionist his thoughts were:

Females before and after getting preg. really need the higher proteins and as well as pups of course.

His next thing he convinced me was to carry or push a 22-18 for older dogs. I still continue to think that these good ones
24-20, 22-18 are great for dogs. I hesitate at these 27-14 and so although do think 26-18 are good for you really pushed dogs and up here north. espeically yote hunting in the winter.

But I knew guys that would hunt bear all summer and the 22-18 was more than enuf. The winters took more of a toll on them in terms of going to a 26-18 etc....
Just my thoughts.

Posted by redneck_girl on 01-18-2007 04:34 AM:

It sure was hard to get them to eat it. I just talked to another couple that say they don't feed much over 21% for this same reason. I guess it's what you prefer.

Posted by BlueBagRules on 01-25-2007 05:05 AM:

High Protein

Hey Guys! Just found out about the site!

First of all I'd like to say thanks for all the SPORTMiX support!

Before that though, let me introduce myself.

My name is Kent. I am the Alabama Rep for SPORTMiX. SPORTMiX is produced by Midwestern Pet Foods, Evansville, IN.

If any of you guys ever need anything please feel free to call us. I am part of a close-knit South Eastern Team that covers Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Missouri. Also some of the Florida Pan-Handle.

Phone #'s

Ala/Fla pan-handle: 256-740-1837 - Kent

Tenn/Missouri : 205-862-6375 - John

Miss/Lousiana : 205-329-3356 - Chad

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Just wanted to give a brief word to the "Protein on the Kidneys" discussion.

redneck_girl is right.

The key to this discussion is this: If we are not *Working* our dogs we don't need them on the high protein numbers. We recommend that you move the dog back to a "maintenance" product like our Green Bag 21/12. Especially in the Summer Heat.

This way, with SPORTMiX at least, you are still giving the dog a quality feed that still has two (2) meats in the top four (4) ingredients. There is no need to go all the way down to a Corn Based product here like a 21/8.

Our human system is a lot like a dogs in this regard. Our kidneys will "burn-up" too if we are not exercising sufficiently but are taking in high doses of Protein. Not to mention if you are generating that Protein number with a high quality and highly digestible source of Protein like Meat. Corn usually blows through tooooo fast anyway. Of course you can get real ridiculous with the numbers. If you are doing that you are going to damage your dog no matter how hard you work him. Over 30% you are basically putting Moth Balls in the Gas Tank. You WILL go fast for a little while! But it is just a matter of time before something goes "BooM"!!!

From what we are seeing, the Coon and Squirrel guys are using the Blue Bag, 26/18, with a HIGH level of success! These dogs while competing don't need the higher fat. They need energy and lots of it. You guys know better than I do that all that counts is all-out focus and endurance for two (2) hours. The more digestible the the Protein form the better. That is why we use Meat instead of Corn. We see our recipe as a *tool*. The quality of any job is directly related to the quality of the tools used to perform that job. Hopefully we are making your jobs easier and your *products* better!

On the other side of the street, the Bird and Duck guys love the Black Bag, 24/20. These guys dont run "all-out". They spend some time sitting in the blind as well as taking alot of cold dips. This is where a little extra fat comes in handy! We also have gone after the quality of the coat with the Omegas. 3 & 6. Our sources are Minhadin Fish Oil and Flax Seed. The highest forms available. Sounds like some of ya'll have seen the way the dogs coats slick out on it. If you haven't, you got to try it!

Well, I ramble some....haha.

Give us a call and watch for us at the next couple of "Dog of the Year" hunts with the ATAF series! look for us in Full Cry as well!

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Posted by Scotts1Hounds on 01-25-2007 05:13 AM:

Re: Sport Mix?

quote:
Originally posted by VA BLACKDAWG
Anybody feed SPORT MIX?

I fed the orange bag for three to four years. It only costed ten dollars per bag. My dog only got poor once, I took him to the vet because I thought he had heartworms. Turns out it was because I hunted him every night for thirty nights straight getting ready for the 2005 Texas State Hunt. It didn't do any good, all I did was wear myself out. Thats what you get for hunting potliquers.
Good Feed,Sorry hounds

Scott Jenkins

Posted by BlueBagRules on 01-25-2007 05:21 AM:

Re: Re: Sport Mix?

quote:
Originally posted by Scotts1Hounds
I fed the orange bag for three to four years. It only costed ten dollars per bag. My dog only got poor once, I took him to the vet because I thought he had heartworms. Turns out it was because I hunted him every night for thirty nights straight getting ready for the 2005 Texas State Hunt. It didn't do any good, all I did was wear myself out. Thats what you get for hunting potliquers.
Good Feed,Sorry hounds

Scott Jenkins

Man, at least treat yourself to a Green Bag! The "Two Meat" formulation will blow your mind. You will feed less and your dogs performance will be that much more exciting to watch!

Go Aggies!

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Posted by redneck_girl on 01-26-2007 01:10 AM:

Re: High Protein

quote:
Originally posted by BlueBagRules
Hey Guys! Just found out about the site!

First of all I'd like to say thanks for all the SPORTMiX support!

Before that though, let me introduce myself.

My name is Kent. I am the Alabama Rep for SPORTMiX. SPORTMiX is produced by Midwestern Pet Foods, Evansville, IN.

If any of you guys ever need anything please feel free to call us. I am part of a close-knit South Eastern Team that covers Alabama, Tennessee, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Missouri. Also some of the Florida Pan-Handle.

Phone #'s

Ala/Fla pan-handle: 256-740-1837 - Kent

Tenn/Missouri : 205-862-6375 - John

Miss/Lousiana : 205-329-3356 - Chad

.............................................................

Just wanted to give a brief word to the "Protein on the Kidneys" discussion.

redneck_girl is right.

The key to this discussion is this: If we are not *Working* our dogs we don't need them on the high protein numbers. We recommend that you move the dog back to a "maintenance" product like our Green Bag 21/12. Especially in the Summer Heat.

This way, with SPORTMiX at least, you are still giving the dog a quality feed that still has two (2) meats in the top four (4) ingredients. There is no need to go all the way down to a Corn Based product here like a 21/8.

Our human system is a lot like a dogs in this regard. Our kidneys will "burn-up" too if we are not exercising sufficiently but are taking in high doses of Protein. Not to mention if you are generating that Protein number with a high quality and highly digestible source of Protein like Meat. Corn usually blows through tooooo fast anyway. Of course you can get real ridiculous with the numbers. If you are doing that you are going to damage your dog no matter how hard you work him. Over 30% you are basically putting Moth Balls in the Gas Tank. You WILL go fast for a little while! But it is just a matter of time before something goes "BooM"!!!

From what we are seeing, the Coon and Squirrel guys are using the Blue Bag, 26/18, with a HIGH level of success! These dogs while competing don't need the higher fat. They need energy and lots of it. You guys know better than I do that all that counts is all-out focus and endurance for two (2) hours. The more digestible the the Protein form the better. That is why we use Meat instead of Corn. We see our recipe as a *tool*. The quality of any job is directly related to the quality of the tools used to perform that job. Hopefully we are making your jobs easier and your *products* better!

On the other side of the street, the Bird and Duck guys love the Black Bag, 24/20. These guys dont run "all-out". They spend some time sitting in the blind as well as taking alot of cold dips. This is where a little extra fat comes in handy! We also have gone after the quality of the coat with the Omegas. 3 & 6. Our sources are Minhadin Fish Oil and Flax Seed. The highest forms available. Sounds like some of ya'll have seen the way the dogs coats slick out on it. If you haven't, you got to try it!

Well, I ramble some....haha.

Give us a call and watch for us at the next couple of "Dog of the Year" hunts with the ATAF series! look for us in Full Cry as well!

Thanks everybody!!!

Thanks BlueBagRules!! Here I started thinking I was loosing my mind (would have been a short trip). The food we were feeding wasn't SportMix, but was high in protein. We were led to beleive it was good for them by the dealer. Now, granted it didn't have adverse affects on the other hounds, but it did Chief.
Chief was a hard one to keep weight on no matter what ya did. I even resorted to cooking him whole roasts with taters,gravy and all. To no avail. When I took him to the Vet all they could come up with after $300+ worth of tests was he had low cholesterol.
Anyway, Doc said that 'paticular' hound had to have lower protein because it was burning his kidneys up. Having that experience, I try to let people know what to watch for in case this happens to their hound as well. Guess I should have kept that to myself, this thread got a little out of hand with people that have never experienced such a thing.
Thanks again for clarifying this.......

Posted by billie jo on 01-26-2007 01:21 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by billie jo
just like some people...that cant handle alot of high protien...
I'm sure some dogs cant handel it neither...
never tried it myself...I'll just stick w/ my Pro Plan...I think that is some good dog food...

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Posted by redneck_girl on 01-26-2007 01:32 AM:

I seriously thought I was loosing it. All these guys (basically) telling me I was wrong. IN SOME INSTANCES, OVER 21% IS TOO MUCH! NOT ALL....SOMEEEEEEEE. GEESH!

Posted by BlueBagRules on 01-30-2007 01:23 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by redneck_girl
I seriously thought I was loosing it. All these guys (basically) telling me I was wrong. IN SOME INSTANCES, OVER 21% IS TOO MUCH! NOT ALL....SOMEEEEEEEE. GEESH!

You know, the issue is really how you see each dog. If you have spent $10,000, lets say on a finished-out Lab from Doug Williams down at PuddleDuckLabs, you probably should do a little more research on what all goes into each bag of food.

Maybe do some research on how a Dogs digestive system actually works the best.

Do some research on the Company that is making the food. Like I said, ALL of these Foods are Good! They are not really going to hurt your dog, that is for sure.

But lets be honest here, if I just bought a Ferrari of ANY make or model, you will NEVER catch me putting 87 octane in the tank. It is simply contradicting to the logic and its Intellectual Dishonesty ought to be downright embarrassing.

So what defines a GREAT FOOD? A Great Dog defines a GREAT FOOD!

The best way to put it is this:

When was the last time you heard a farmer complaining about the wolfs, the foxes, or the coyotes eating up his Corn patch?

You never will! However, you WILL hear him talk about them chasing his cattle, his horses, and, his sheep.

Why?

Dogs prefer Meat. They always have. From their humblest beginnings they have desired Meat.

SPORTMiX is Meat based for that reason.

And to close the original point: If you are just feeding a "good-ole" dog out in the yard, 87 octane will do just fine! And if he likes a sip of Race Grade 100 octane now and then! Well, it shore ain't gonna hurt em none! You've simply saved him a trip down the street to nibble on Farmer Browns heifer...or god forbid worse...him wait'in on YOU and your 12 gauge, to actually find the coon that he says is up in the tree!

Happy Hunting Everyone! You guys are awesome!!!

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Posted by Taylor VanMeter on 01-30-2007 01:45 AM:

i bought a sack of the 24/20 today .. gunna see how it works out for me, kinda pricey 18 somethin!

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Posted by BlueBagRules on 01-30-2007 01:59 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Taylor VanMeter
i bought a sack of the 24/20 today .. gunna see how it works out for me, kinda pricey 18 somethin!

What Manufacture?

We @ SPORTMiX recommend that if you have multiple dogs, you only try a new product on one of them. If not, it is almost impossible to see any change at all because thy ALL are changing together.

Enjoy!

p.s. you can thank the ethanol ideas in Washington for the price hikes. Especially in the Corn Based lines

. Oh, and Bio-Diesel is REALLY going to wreak havoc on Feed Prices too!

***hmmmmm $18.00.... that means he didn't buy Black Gold @$20+. ***

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Posted by Taylor VanMeter on 01-30-2007 02:03 AM:

i bought the black bag of sportmix 24/20, i only have one dog... the purina dog chow seemed to be working fine but maybe this sportmix will give him a little extra which 3 or 4 bucks more is definately worth

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Posted by BlueBagRules on 02-06-2007 03:45 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Taylor VanMeter
i bought the black bag of sportmix 24/20, i only have one dog... the purina dog chow seemed to be working fine but maybe this sportmix will give him a little extra which 3 or 4 bucks more is definately worth

Awesome! Keep us posted.

You may find yourself feeding less too!

Have a great week!

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Posted by skyblu on 02-06-2007 02:21 PM:

Trying Sport Mix

My FIRST CHOICE IS STILL PURINA, but Purina doesn't deliver to my feedstore anymore & I just can't handle the Wal Mart scramble of getting the big bags into the cart & then standing in line forever, then getting it out of the cart into my truck & also trying to redeem the rebate checks, etc.
SO
I switched to Diamond, which worked for a few months until a few weeks ago - it started running like soup thru several of my dogs.
SO
the feedstore owner suggested 24/20 Sportmix. The dogs like it, & portions fed are smaller & stools are normal.
I must say though - when I move to an area where I can buy Purina at a feedstore, I WILL feed Purina again as I fed it for more than 15 years with great results.
I always use Purina O.N.E. Lamb & Rice for new puppies, regardless.

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