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You are a MOH and you are saying if a dog is minused for leaving a tree two times, you call timeout???? Whatever......This is what happens when you let women set at the table instead of just cleaning it off.

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Originally posted by JiM
......This is what happens when you let women set at the table instead of just cleaning it off.

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You are a MOH and you are saying if a dog is minused for leaving a tree two times, you call timeout???? Whatever......This is what happens when you let women set at the table instead of just cleaning it off.

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I'm going to try that timeout thing next time my dog screws up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chrys, my education didn't go much past the 8th grade and I sure enough missed the husband posting under the wifes name thing. I guess there's something that could be said about a man posting under a womans name but you all know I'm not one to provoke things..............

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Originally posted by JiM
Chrys, my education didn't go much past the 8th grade and I sure enough missed the husband posting under the wifes name thing. I guess there's something that could be said about a man posting under a womans name but you all know I'm not one to provoke things..............

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You're absolutely right Jesse! Anyone with even the minimum of common sense knows that anytime a dog leaves a tree twice, we need to call timeout and see what tha heck is going on here.........................yep!

We have rules for a reason. To follow them, not folow them when it is convenient. Of course this is a bad break but that does not mean that he shouldn't be minused. If you don't think this dog should be minused then you shouldn't enter a hunt because in any registery that i know of you get minused for leaving a tre regardles of the reason.

Seccess of the hound may not be determond by 1 hunt BUT the seccess of your local club might depend on that one hunt. If a person doesn't feel they get treated right they most likely will not be back. You can not please all the folks all the time but if you try to be fare that will go a long way. Don't get me wrong a person will have problems some time or another but if the good hunt outway the badones 20 to 1 then most people will enjoy their selves and look forword to the next hunt.

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Originally posted by Mark V.
Seccess of the hound may not be determond by 1 hunt BUT the seccess of your local club might depend on that one hunt. If a person doesn't feel they get treated right they most likely will not be back. You can not please all the folks all the time but if you try to be fare that will go a long way. Don't get me wrong a person will have problems some time or another but if the good hunt outway the badones 20 to 1 then most people will enjoy their selves and look forword to the next hunt.

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Originally posted by JiM
You're absolutely right Jesse! Anyone with even the minimum of common sense knows that anytime a dog leaves a tree twice, we need to call timeout and see what tha heck is going on here.........................yep!

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Re: my opinon

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Originally posted by EnglishBabe
as an MOH if the dog was going back to the same tree after he moved every time the judge should have called a time out after the second time. That way ya"ll could have found out what was going on and you would not have been minused out . I hope that you said somthing to the MOH after the hunt . By the way this is EB'S better half talking

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I just want to see that standing tree in the middle of a swift river.

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Jesse, there is a million different versions of common sense. There is only one version of the rulebook. (ok...four if you count the rulebook, the Advisor book, the Advisor colomn and Kellems comments on here). That is why only one percent use common sense. The other 99 percent are useing the UKC rulebook.

You won't find common sense in a Nite Hunt--

those with it are out pleasure hunting with friends or family having fun and not trying to "win" on some scorecard.

But hey, you pay that $15 dollars and give them that little old scorecard and they become GOD! Heck, give them the lead and they'll walk on water and even get your hound out of that River.

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The post said "you could hear the dog moving and then he shuts up..." I don't understand - was the dog barking as he was being swept down river or could you hear he was moving because he was splashing around. And until he finally minused out? Also, "waiting for the 5" was mentioned - what 5? Im confused.

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OK,,If I'm reading this right,,you guys say minus the dog for leaving..... If that's the case,,,what's the difference when a dog get's "run off" a tree by livestock?, sure as hell don't minus them then...would it be interference?, not sure,,but I do agree , it should be taken into consideration that the dog was being "pushed" or "carried" away,,wasn't actually just leaving and coming back,,I say,,see the coon,plus it!!

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i never once said minus or not i just said COMMON SENCE is not used 99 percent of the time [/QUOTE
ill 2nd and 3rd that jesse

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Originally posted by wvhounds
OK,,If I'm reading this right,,you guys say minus the dog for leaving..... If that's the case,,,what's the difference when a dog get's "run off" a tree by livestock?, sure as hell don't minus them then...would it be interference?, not sure,,but I do agree , it should be taken into consideration that the dog was being "pushed" or "carried" away,,wasn't actually just leaving and coming back,,I say,,see the coon,plus it!!

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Originally posted by wvhounds
OK,,If I'm reading this right,,you guys say minus the dog for leaving..... If that's the case,,,what's the difference when a dog get's "run off" a tree by livestock?, sure as hell don't minus them then...would it be interference?, not sure,,but I do agree , it should be taken into consideration that the dog was being "pushed" or "carried" away,,wasn't actually just leaving and coming back,,I say,,see the coon,plus it!!

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I believe the minus should stand. It was a bad break but there are many instances of bad breaks that the rules don't allow you to change.

All dogs are struck in and all but one are declared treed way deep. The five is up on the tree and you are getting closer and you can now hear the dog not declared treed barking. He is in a hole and all other dogs are treeing out of the hole. You pull the dog out of the hole and the coon is seen. Does common sense allow you to give the dog in the hole that wasn't declared treed get tree points? If so what position?

Answer- Bad break. Strike points only.

2 dog cast. Dog A trees, dog B comes in and dog A leaves tree. Dog A is minused dog B is plussed and cut back into Dog A who is opening deep. Dog A trees, dog B comes in and dog A leaves. Dog A is minused, Dog B is plussed and cut in to dog A who opened about 50yds away. Dog A trees, Dog B goes into tree and there is growling. Judge turns on light and Dog B growls and charges as dog A comes back to the tree. Dog B scratched. Now would common sense allow you to go back and plus all of those minus points?

Answer- No. Another bad break.

Just like seeing a coon in the tree after after the shine time has expired. Are you gonna change the card since Ol' Bowser had him or do you go by the rules?

I think you see where this is going.......

I know you saw the dog going down the river in the current when you got close. But how can you be sure the dog wasn't just standing on and running up and down the bank barking at the coon out in the water before you got there?

I'd say good job by the dog but a tough break for the scorecard.

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When you're in up over your head, the first thing to do is close your mouth.

Sounds like that hound has some heart. To bad their isnt any points awarded for that in the nite hunts.

I know you saw the dog going down the river in the current when you got close. But how can you be sure the dog wasn't just standing on and running up and down the bank barking at the coon out in the water before you got there?


it does say in the rule book GIVE THE DOG THE BENIFIT OF DOUBT

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by John D
[B]OK, lets say we "fix" this. We make an exception to the rule and allow a dog to leave a tree and not get minused.

Guess what? For the next 30 years, anytime a dog is minused for leaving a tree, his handler will object and say the dog is probably in a river and got carried away by the current. Then, we'll have to go inspect the situation to see if that could have happened. COMMON SENCE.................

floating off and leaveing the tree are not even close to the same thing.................

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if whoever has that potlicker is tired of that no count dog that leaves the tree I guess I'll help you out and take him off your hands. lol


sounds like he was determined to be there

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