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Jen I know you are going to blast me for saying this but are the wins really worth scratching somebody for something minor to win at all cost ? I mean a title is easier then ever to obtain if you got a dog that will just tree a coon. Except at the major hunts unless I am wrong all wins are more less for personal satisfaction!! I can understand the $$$ hunts being more cutthroat but we are hunting for cast wins now !!!


Except for the blue ribbons and dog boxes I am giving everybody woooo hoooo !!


Tar

I've seen it enough to know it keeps people from coming out. I'll take my scratch if me or my dog deserve it but I've seen it try to be used when it wasn't deserved.

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Question do you feel even remotely bad if someone were to get scratched while trying to help you find a coon in a tree if their dog isn't there? If not this is the scratch mentality I was talking about. Those who are more than happy to see competion taken out by a simple mistake.

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Tar you asked me to help you rock this board today so Here gos.
Jen I respect you But your not gonna change my mind like you do some on this board with your hafe Page talking points and what if’s, Change the rules Not people’s mind!

watch how you use that mental issue my wife told me for years I always had one she said all you want to do is hunt and work,thats been a while now I am not telling what she says now.

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Scratching

I agree with Jen and Chey about scratching someone over a minor infraction! If you can not win by beating the other dogs and just are hoping for something to scratch another dog to win, then you have a real problem. Yes rules are rules, but a man's character should not be defined by winning by default, it should be defined by honor at all times. I do not want a cheap win by default, I would hope that most of us would think the same way. Dave

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I agree

The scratch mentality drives me crazy. Squalling rule is by far the dumbest rule I've ever heard of. I agree with Josh as well in the fact that there are people out there that haven't done their homework and expect to win. They don't know the rules, don't know a coon dog, and don't know how to truly compete... This very thing got me wrote up (sorta) a few weeks ago and I'm still not sure what for... More people should hunt a month of $KC hunts throughout the week and run for a truck ticket. It teaches you a lot as far as getting beat by a dog/handler one night and going right back at them the next, night in and night out.

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My question pertains to do you grin like Chester the cat if someone gets scratched for some minor offense or do you feel even a little but bad? For those that love it there is a new tee shirt out I saw over the weekend... United Kennel Club, If you can't beat em' scratch em'.

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Tyler they know enough to hunt a instant first strike dog and an instant from 500 yards away 75 tree dog and lean on you all night long while your dog is treeing the coons and there is a bunch of them out there. You make one mistake and you are got. They don’t do nothing but go to hunts with those dogs.


Tar

Re: Scratching

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
I agree with Jen and Chey about scratching someone over a minor infraction! If you can not win by beating the other dogs and just are hoping for something to scratch another dog to win, then you have a real problem. Yes rules are rules, but a man's character should not be defined by winning by default, it should be defined by honor at all times. I do not want a cheap win by default, I would hope that most of us would think the same way. Dave

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Explain that one to me josh I didn’t get it. I was always taught to stay in until the end no matter what.



Tar

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Originally posted by nitehunter2004
Let’s say a man is 275 behind the lead dog and he shines the tree before the judge starts the time he argues and don’t take his scratch, 33 minutes later he wins the cast where is your honor in that?

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Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
If you are down 800 with 10 minutes to go you gonna turn loose and hope the leader gets scratched?

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
My question pertains to do you grin like Chester the cat if someone gets scratched for some minor offense or do you feel even a little but bad? For those that love it there is a new tee shirt out I saw over the weekend... United Kennel Club, If you can't beat em' scratch em'.

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Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
Are you asking where is the honor in coming from three coons down in a half hour to win is?

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Originally posted by nitehunter2004
Tar you asked me to help you rock this board today so Here gos.
Jen I respect you But your not gonna change my mind like you do some on this board with your hafe Page talking points and what if’s, Change the rules Not people’s mind!

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Nope but I will put my dog in the box and help him find his coon.


Tar

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Tar

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Originally posted by nitehunter2004
Nope I’m asking where is the honer not taking your scratch.

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Originally posted by TylerOSU
Boy you’d hate to draw me. We’d run out of pen ink and you’d still get beat!

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I think some of the scratching offense are waste of good paper. But I dont remember last time I saw a dog scratched that wasnt caught fighting. Prob be 50 cast at least.

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If a person started. kennel club where there was absolutely no way to get scratched other than going back to trees he would put everyone out of business. The rules would need to be
Strike them as soon as they bark
First tree only trees we are scoring first trees only if you tree second third or 4th and a coon is seen your strike is minus
Walk to the tree as soon as the dog is treed no waiting 5 minutes
Minus them for Off game
Let them fight
Let the handlers fight
Let them drink cold beer at the club house
Cut your dogs from the base of the tree you were treed up
Everything else as far and the 6 or 8 minutes on the strike or 2 minutes on hushing at the tree could be a copy cat from any kennel club at it would work.
The most important thing would be to hunt for money and lots of it. I promise you these style of hunts are more enjoyable than any other hint because I’ve hunted in a few Jackpot hunts that were a lot like this. If a person could give away big money under rules like these he would fill any entry he wanted to have.

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Tim

The honor is letting the best dog win, not sneaking in the back door on a honest mistake like shining a tree. I realize what the RULES say, but that's a mighty slim offense, just like a mistake on a scorecard. If you can win like that and call it honor, I am happy for you. Myself, I just do not want that kind of win. Now if the other dig or dogs do something like Tre off game and get scratched, that's a different story. Let the best dig wink not some scratch happy handler that does not have the dig power to win. I can't speak for no one but myself, but looking for something to scratch an otherwise decent handler over a silly mistake is just poor sportsmanship in my opinion and I am sticking to that opinion. How many times have you done something that you could have been scratched for, but was not scratched? If your answer is even once, I don't want to hear about RULES. We ALL have caught a break at least once probably several times if you have hunted in many hunts. I believe our comments are directed to those who feel the need to play the RULES when it benefits them and ignore the RULES when it would be to their disadvantage. Get a better dog and you won't worry about someone shining a tree to quick, or blowing a squaller to soon. Dave

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Tim

Double post, sorry

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Nearly all of that is Cheyenne's thoughts after reading through comments on some of the proposals but I wouldn't let him type what wanted to say lol. Lets just say his comments were not politically correct enough for this board.
Tar you know exactly what Josh means don't go playing the big d_/#y 😉. He is referencing the handler who has absolutely no chance of ever winning the cast but stays to the bitter end with the hope the others get scratched on some technically instead of getting out of the way of dogs who are truly competing for the win.

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