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Posted by pjeremie on 09-21-2013 02:36 PM:

Yea this weather gets me ready to go. Cool wet fall is my time to hit it with this young blue dog.


Posted by Rory Cowles on 09-23-2013 12:54 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by pjeremie
Yea this weather gets me ready to go. Cool wet fall is my time to hit it with this young blue dog.
Oh man me to makes want to go deer hunting too!!

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BIG RIVER ENGLISH KENNEL
RORY COWLES
812-569-1562
HOME OF
1992 World Nt. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Jesse
1989 Gov. Cup Winner Ind. St. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Sandy Jo
1998 English Purina Ch. 3rd overall Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc. Ch. Cowles' Big River Lumber Jack
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River J.J.
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River Last Chance
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River John Boy
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Blue Goose
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch Cowles' Big River Jesse Lee, 2011 Ukc (Reserve World Ch.)2nd Place Overall 2013 SS and Performance sire
Nt Ch Cowles' Big River Spooky
Nt CH PR Cowles' Big River Jesse Who (2014 World CH English) 14th place overall.2016 United English Day's winner and high scoring dog overall.
PR Cowles' Big River Top Secret (rip)
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Posted by Rory Cowles on 09-23-2013 12:55 PM:

Re: Sleepin Beauties! LOL

quote:
Originally posted by Doug Robinson
Rory you know them boys gotta get some rest when ever they can they are always huntin!

Good luck to all of ya! I saw the breakdown of the breeds I will be routin for the English dogs! Im not a comp. hunter but I get more excited over the World hunt then I do the Super Bowl. Cant wait till I retire and get a new truck I wanna get to travel hunt with some of you guys! Again good luck!

Doug you get that truck and come on by for a visit and hunt anytime would be glad to have ya!!

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BIG RIVER ENGLISH KENNEL
RORY COWLES
812-569-1562
HOME OF
1992 World Nt. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Jesse
1989 Gov. Cup Winner Ind. St. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Sandy Jo
1998 English Purina Ch. 3rd overall Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc. Ch. Cowles' Big River Lumber Jack
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River J.J.
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River Last Chance
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River John Boy
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Blue Goose
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch Cowles' Big River Jesse Lee, 2011 Ukc (Reserve World Ch.)2nd Place Overall 2013 SS and Performance sire
Nt Ch Cowles' Big River Spooky
Nt CH PR Cowles' Big River Jesse Who (2014 World CH English) 14th place overall.2016 United English Day's winner and high scoring dog overall.
PR Cowles' Big River Top Secret (rip)
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The KY Derby will never be won by a Quarter Horse.


Posted by Danny Roberts on 09-23-2013 12:59 PM:

Congratulations on all your accomplishments !

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Posted by Rory Cowles on 09-23-2013 04:12 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Roberts
Congratulations on all your accomplishments !
Thank you sir

__________________
BIG RIVER ENGLISH KENNEL
RORY COWLES
812-569-1562
HOME OF
1992 World Nt. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Jesse
1989 Gov. Cup Winner Ind. St. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Sandy Jo
1998 English Purina Ch. 3rd overall Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc. Ch. Cowles' Big River Lumber Jack
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River J.J.
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River Last Chance
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River John Boy
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Blue Goose
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch Cowles' Big River Jesse Lee, 2011 Ukc (Reserve World Ch.)2nd Place Overall 2013 SS and Performance sire
Nt Ch Cowles' Big River Spooky
Nt CH PR Cowles' Big River Jesse Who (2014 World CH English) 14th place overall.2016 United English Day's winner and high scoring dog overall.
PR Cowles' Big River Top Secret (rip)
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The KY Derby will never be won by a Quarter Horse.


Posted by Rory Cowles on 09-23-2013 04:15 PM:

Jesse Lee x Wild dog



This pup is in the great st of Ga his name is Johnny Cash he is a very loud hard tree dog!!! Great job Caleb hope you nt him out soon!!

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BIG RIVER ENGLISH KENNEL
RORY COWLES
812-569-1562
HOME OF
1992 World Nt. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Jesse
1989 Gov. Cup Winner Ind. St. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Sandy Jo
1998 English Purina Ch. 3rd overall Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc. Ch. Cowles' Big River Lumber Jack
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River J.J.
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River Last Chance
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River John Boy
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Blue Goose
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch Cowles' Big River Jesse Lee, 2011 Ukc (Reserve World Ch.)2nd Place Overall 2013 SS and Performance sire
Nt Ch Cowles' Big River Spooky
Nt CH PR Cowles' Big River Jesse Who (2014 World CH English) 14th place overall.2016 United English Day's winner and high scoring dog overall.
PR Cowles' Big River Top Secret (rip)
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The KY Derby will never be won by a Quarter Horse.


Posted by Danny Roberts on 09-23-2013 04:41 PM:

Your welcome. Still wanting to get together for a hunt sometime. I'll be in touch.

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Posted by Rory Cowles on 09-23-2013 09:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Roberts
Your welcome. Still wanting to get together for a hunt sometime. I'll be in touch.
Anytime

__________________
BIG RIVER ENGLISH KENNEL
RORY COWLES
812-569-1562
HOME OF
1992 World Nt. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Jesse
1989 Gov. Cup Winner Ind. St. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Sandy Jo
1998 English Purina Ch. 3rd overall Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc. Ch. Cowles' Big River Lumber Jack
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River J.J.
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River Last Chance
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River John Boy
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Blue Goose
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch Cowles' Big River Jesse Lee, 2011 Ukc (Reserve World Ch.)2nd Place Overall 2013 SS and Performance sire
Nt Ch Cowles' Big River Spooky
Nt CH PR Cowles' Big River Jesse Who (2014 World CH English) 14th place overall.2016 United English Day's winner and high scoring dog overall.
PR Cowles' Big River Top Secret (rip)
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The KY Derby will never be won by a Quarter Horse.


Posted by Rory Cowles on 09-23-2013 09:32 PM:

Jesse Lee x Sally


This pup belongs to Tracy Sorrells in Va. says he is making a nice one thanks for the pic and good luck hope he makes you a nice one.

__________________
BIG RIVER ENGLISH KENNEL
RORY COWLES
812-569-1562
HOME OF
1992 World Nt. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Jesse
1989 Gov. Cup Winner Ind. St. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Sandy Jo
1998 English Purina Ch. 3rd overall Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc. Ch. Cowles' Big River Lumber Jack
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River J.J.
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River Last Chance
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River John Boy
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Blue Goose
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch Cowles' Big River Jesse Lee, 2011 Ukc (Reserve World Ch.)2nd Place Overall 2013 SS and Performance sire
Nt Ch Cowles' Big River Spooky
Nt CH PR Cowles' Big River Jesse Who (2014 World CH English) 14th place overall.2016 United English Day's winner and high scoring dog overall.
PR Cowles' Big River Top Secret (rip)
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The KY Derby will never be won by a Quarter Horse.


Posted by DJames on 09-23-2013 10:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Rory Cowles
Thanks men for the support we will be taking ol blue back til his teeth falls out or he win's it I still feel like he should win that hunt!!!May never but going to keep trying!!


That's the spirit and the confidence you have in J Lee I like to hear. You just have to pound the leather and take the chance by entering him up. I will never forget something my granddaddy told me once. I was wanting to buy a small place and was scared to death to borrow and chance it. He said " son I don't reckon a turtle takes a step without sticking his neck out" I've thought about that many times over the years. Granddaddy was pretty sharp cause if we don't take a chance we will never know what could have been. So I say go for it brother!

David James
Tough English Kennels
731 307 8144


Posted by pjeremie on 09-24-2013 03:39 AM:

Had a good night with Jasper. First tree was a big hollow maple. Then three coon on the outside after that. Took my little blue female out of Betty with us tonight and she did a good job. Opened on two tracks treed a little on third tree and did a good job treeing on the last tree. It was a hot track. Not sure of her mouth she didn't use it very well tonight. She has a decent mouth at home but just getting started so time will tell if she uses it.


Posted by Rory Cowles on 09-24-2013 01:23 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by DJames
That's the spirit and the confidence you have in J Lee I like to hear. You just have to pound the leather and take the chance by entering him up. I will never forget something my granddaddy told me once. I was wanting to buy a small place and was scared to death to borrow and chance it. He said " son I don't reckon a turtle takes a step without sticking his neck out" I've thought about that many times over the years. Granddaddy was pretty sharp cause if we don't take a chance we will never know what could have been. So I say go for it brother!

David James
Tough English Kennels
731 307 8144

Thanks David and I like your granddaddies saying!!! He sounds like wise man!!! We wont ever retire him we like hunting him to much!!

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BIG RIVER ENGLISH KENNEL
RORY COWLES
812-569-1562
HOME OF
1992 World Nt. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Jesse
1989 Gov. Cup Winner Ind. St. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Sandy Jo
1998 English Purina Ch. 3rd overall Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc. Ch. Cowles' Big River Lumber Jack
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River J.J.
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River Last Chance
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River John Boy
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Blue Goose
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch Cowles' Big River Jesse Lee, 2011 Ukc (Reserve World Ch.)2nd Place Overall 2013 SS and Performance sire
Nt Ch Cowles' Big River Spooky
Nt CH PR Cowles' Big River Jesse Who (2014 World CH English) 14th place overall.2016 United English Day's winner and high scoring dog overall.
PR Cowles' Big River Top Secret (rip)
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The KY Derby will never be won by a Quarter Horse.


Posted by Rory Cowles on 09-24-2013 01:26 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by pjeremie
Had a good night with Jasper. First tree was a big hollow maple. Then three coon on the outside after that. Took my little blue female out of Betty with us tonight and she did a good job. Opened on two tracks treed a little on third tree and did a good job treeing on the last tree. It was a hot track. Not sure of her mouth she didn't use it very well tonight. She has a decent mouth at home but just getting started so time will tell if she uses it.
Sounds good snap a pic or two if you get the chance would luv to see the little gal on the wood.Get ol Jasper tuned would luv to see him win some hunts this fall..

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BIG RIVER ENGLISH KENNEL
RORY COWLES
812-569-1562
HOME OF
1992 World Nt. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Jesse
1989 Gov. Cup Winner Ind. St. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Sandy Jo
1998 English Purina Ch. 3rd overall Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc. Ch. Cowles' Big River Lumber Jack
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River J.J.
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River Last Chance
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River John Boy
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Blue Goose
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch Cowles' Big River Jesse Lee, 2011 Ukc (Reserve World Ch.)2nd Place Overall 2013 SS and Performance sire
Nt Ch Cowles' Big River Spooky
Nt CH PR Cowles' Big River Jesse Who (2014 World CH English) 14th place overall.2016 United English Day's winner and high scoring dog overall.
PR Cowles' Big River Top Secret (rip)
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The KY Derby will never be won by a Quarter Horse.


Posted by pjeremie on 09-24-2013 01:32 PM:

well I took some last night but none turned out very good. you can see her but it is kinda dark and fuzzy so you cant tell much how she looks. We might get to a hunt Friday if it all works out.


Posted by pjeremie on 09-24-2013 01:39 PM:

They are hard to make out but here are two them.


Posted by Rory Cowles on 09-25-2013 10:29 AM:

Looks good she's gonna be an up on the wood kinda gal ain't she..

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BIG RIVER ENGLISH KENNEL
RORY COWLES
812-569-1562
HOME OF
1992 World Nt. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Jesse
1989 Gov. Cup Winner Ind. St. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Sandy Jo
1998 English Purina Ch. 3rd overall Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc. Ch. Cowles' Big River Lumber Jack
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River J.J.
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River Last Chance
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River John Boy
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Blue Goose
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch Cowles' Big River Jesse Lee, 2011 Ukc (Reserve World Ch.)2nd Place Overall 2013 SS and Performance sire
Nt Ch Cowles' Big River Spooky
Nt CH PR Cowles' Big River Jesse Who (2014 World CH English) 14th place overall.2016 United English Day's winner and high scoring dog overall.
PR Cowles' Big River Top Secret (rip)
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The KY Derby will never be won by a Quarter Horse.


Posted by longbeard on 09-25-2013 02:17 PM:

Reply

Sent u a pm


Posted by nathan cooley on 09-26-2013 06:00 AM:

rory

I may have to send this meat dog ur way directly!

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Posted by Rory Cowles on 09-26-2013 11:22 AM:

Re: Reply

quote:
Originally posted by longbeard
Sent u a pm
Got it actually I have two litters coming the other one is out of my Spooky female (J -Lee daughter) and ol Buster he is off of ol Chance and Kate an uncle niece cross I made along time ago.Thanks

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BIG RIVER ENGLISH KENNEL
RORY COWLES
812-569-1562
HOME OF
1992 World Nt. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Jesse
1989 Gov. Cup Winner Ind. St. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Sandy Jo
1998 English Purina Ch. 3rd overall Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc. Ch. Cowles' Big River Lumber Jack
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River J.J.
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River Last Chance
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River John Boy
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Blue Goose
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch Cowles' Big River Jesse Lee, 2011 Ukc (Reserve World Ch.)2nd Place Overall 2013 SS and Performance sire
Nt Ch Cowles' Big River Spooky
Nt CH PR Cowles' Big River Jesse Who (2014 World CH English) 14th place overall.2016 United English Day's winner and high scoring dog overall.
PR Cowles' Big River Top Secret (rip)
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The KY Derby will never be won by a Quarter Horse.


Posted by Rory Cowles on 09-26-2013 11:23 AM:

Re: rory

quote:
Originally posted by nathan cooley
I may have to send this meat dog ur way directly!
Anytime he might put you on the Bear weight loss program

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BIG RIVER ENGLISH KENNEL
RORY COWLES
812-569-1562
HOME OF
1992 World Nt. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Jesse
1989 Gov. Cup Winner Ind. St. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Sandy Jo
1998 English Purina Ch. 3rd overall Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc. Ch. Cowles' Big River Lumber Jack
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River J.J.
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River Last Chance
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River John Boy
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Blue Goose
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch Cowles' Big River Jesse Lee, 2011 Ukc (Reserve World Ch.)2nd Place Overall 2013 SS and Performance sire
Nt Ch Cowles' Big River Spooky
Nt CH PR Cowles' Big River Jesse Who (2014 World CH English) 14th place overall.2016 United English Day's winner and high scoring dog overall.
PR Cowles' Big River Top Secret (rip)
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The KY Derby will never be won by a Quarter Horse.


Posted by Rory Cowles on 09-26-2013 11:28 AM:

Jesse Lee x Punkin 2nd cross



Man what a pretty little pup he belongs to Randall Davis his name is Rowdy good luck with him and keep us posted.

__________________
BIG RIVER ENGLISH KENNEL
RORY COWLES
812-569-1562
HOME OF
1992 World Nt. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Jesse
1989 Gov. Cup Winner Ind. St. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Sandy Jo
1998 English Purina Ch. 3rd overall Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc. Ch. Cowles' Big River Lumber Jack
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River J.J.
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River Last Chance
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River John Boy
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Blue Goose
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch Cowles' Big River Jesse Lee, 2011 Ukc (Reserve World Ch.)2nd Place Overall 2013 SS and Performance sire
Nt Ch Cowles' Big River Spooky
Nt CH PR Cowles' Big River Jesse Who (2014 World CH English) 14th place overall.2016 United English Day's winner and high scoring dog overall.
PR Cowles' Big River Top Secret (rip)
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The KY Derby will never be won by a Quarter Horse.


Posted by Rory Cowles on 09-26-2013 11:30 AM:

Jesse Lee x Diva


Big River Radar treed twice last night had the meat on both tree's keep him cranking Rob you ought to try and get him finished soon since you all ready have them wins on him..

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BIG RIVER ENGLISH KENNEL
RORY COWLES
812-569-1562
HOME OF
1992 World Nt. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Jesse
1989 Gov. Cup Winner Ind. St. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Sandy Jo
1998 English Purina Ch. 3rd overall Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc. Ch. Cowles' Big River Lumber Jack
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River J.J.
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River Last Chance
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River John Boy
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Blue Goose
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch Cowles' Big River Jesse Lee, 2011 Ukc (Reserve World Ch.)2nd Place Overall 2013 SS and Performance sire
Nt Ch Cowles' Big River Spooky
Nt CH PR Cowles' Big River Jesse Who (2014 World CH English) 14th place overall.2016 United English Day's winner and high scoring dog overall.
PR Cowles' Big River Top Secret (rip)
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The KY Derby will never be won by a Quarter Horse.


Posted by Rory Cowles on 09-26-2013 11:50 AM:

Jesse Lee x Punkin 2nd cross


Terry Davis said he has one pup left from last litter belive he said its a female first litter seems to be a real good one his number is 917-721-4430.

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BIG RIVER ENGLISH KENNEL
RORY COWLES
812-569-1562
HOME OF
1992 World Nt. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Jesse
1989 Gov. Cup Winner Ind. St. Ch. Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Sandy Jo
1998 English Purina Ch. 3rd overall Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc. Ch. Cowles' Big River Lumber Jack
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River J.J.
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch. Cowles' Big River Last Chance
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River John Boy
Gr. Nt. Ch. Cowles' Big River Blue Goose
Gr. Nt. Ch. Pkc Ch Cowles' Big River Jesse Lee, 2011 Ukc (Reserve World Ch.)2nd Place Overall 2013 SS and Performance sire
Nt Ch Cowles' Big River Spooky
Nt CH PR Cowles' Big River Jesse Who (2014 World CH English) 14th place overall.2016 United English Day's winner and high scoring dog overall.
PR Cowles' Big River Top Secret (rip)
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The KY Derby will never be won by a Quarter Horse.


Posted by midnight kennels on 09-26-2013 11:57 AM:

Thanks Rory

She's a nice pup, had her sold but the man had un for seen exspense occur and had to back out. The first litter is winning in the hunts, not just one pup but several. Thanks again Rory.

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Posted by pjeremie on 09-27-2013 02:03 AM:

Rory,
She has always been up on the tree when I showed her a couple cage coon and turn a couple loose. She hates a coon and will get after them. Had her out again last night she came along well. She ran two out of four tracks and was up on three trees, treeing good on two of them. I just hope her mouth gets better or something because it will not be a very good competition mouth for a poor handler like myself.


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