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Posted by COLD TRACK on 11-22-2010 09:22 PM:

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Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
I will put it in simple terms. If Auburn gets by without playing Boise then they have NOT played the best team in the country. This BCS IS ALL CRAP. We all know it. Its who you are as a program and where you're located. Its not about the best team year in and year out.

HEY MR FOOTBALL IF YOU THINK BOISE IS NO 1 THEN EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THEY ARE RATED SO LOW IN THE COACH'S POLL AND THE SPORTSWRITER POLL BECAUSE PEOPLE THAT WATCH FOOTBALL AND WRITE ABOUT AND COACH FOOTBALL KNOW MORE ABOUT IT THAN YOU DO

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Posted by CLJohnson on 11-22-2010 09:50 PM:

So your saying that if they don't play Boise they don't deserve it? Other teams besides SEC teams get into the bowl game, so I am not sure what your talking about when you say where you are, but in the past texas has been, oklahoma, ohio state, and USC those just recent and off the top of my head, does the BCS just not like Idaho? The BCS likes teams that win playing hard schedule, if you want to call them bias for that then thats fine, because they are. And your also right about it being who you are as a program, the teams you see in the BCS National championship are teams that have continually played at a high level and have one day in and day out, what you seem to be forgetting is there are other teams out there undefeated beside Boise State and they too have put up some impressive numbers against teams that are leaps and bounds better than any team Boise has played, thats not me saying that from an SEC stand point of view thats me talking from looking at statistics of teams.

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 11-22-2010 09:52 PM:

Fella, its all about perception and dollars. Look its pretty simple if you really want to see it. Boise has beaten the NOW RANKED number 1 team the last 2 years EASILY with the same yet BETTER TEAM THEY HAVE NOW. Yet they are ranked behind them? Again can we say dollar signs. Boise started off the year 3rd and despite blowing out nearly every team they've played they are continuously leap frogged by other teams. Make sense yet? The higher ups don't want to see Boise in the title game because they know there's a very good chance they will win. Cody,,, Boise has 4 undefeated regular seasons in the last 6 years. What do they need to do? Their AD said last year nobody wants to schedule them. No big school wants to risk there entire season playing and possibly loosing to Boise.

Posted by CLJohnson on 11-22-2010 10:00 PM:

The higher ups don't seem to care, listen to all sports analysts that know way more than your or I ever will combined, look at the various poles, when Boise gets a schedule that is ranked higher then they can make their case and I will be the first to jump on board, no one denies what they have done is impressive, but their schedule is not strong compared to the other UNDEFEATED teams.

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 11-22-2010 10:07 PM:

If Auburn and Oregon wins out I do agree they should play for the NCG. I thing everyone agrees that. My entire case is Boise is the best team in the country, and they are. They have proved it the last 2 years.

Posted by CLJohnson on 11-22-2010 10:10 PM:

Evidently they aren't......

Posted by Rip on 11-22-2010 11:41 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by dbpro56
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rip
[B]Look Tennessee is awful this year BUT if they played Boise's schedule they may actually be undefeated.

Part of the reason they haven't earned it is the week in week out grind, losing players to injury, and having to play a tough game more often than not. Teams in real conferences have to do that, Boise does not. Can they beat any team on any given day? Sure any team can but there are Div II teams that would have a winning record and may only have 1-2 losses if they played in Bosie's conference. Matter of fact their conference strength would go UP if a few DivII teams joined them.

The SEC was so dominant in the bowls when they were playing close matched opponents (SEC 2nd place team against Big 10 champ etc) that they only lost one game in two years (heck maybe three it was in the 90s and it was some large number of wins vs losses).

Wow....I thought the Big 10 Champ always played in the Rose Bowl
against the Pac-10! Should have checked with RIP

Sorry if you can't see an example for what it was, I could have easily said ACC and Big 10, doesn't matter for the point I was making.

They don't ALWAYS play in the Rose Bowl. Matter of fact I think OSU was the Big 10 champs and played LSU and then Florida. That didn't work out too good did it? Neither of them was in the Rose Bowl either were they? Didn't think so. See I can take things out of context too, I understand by "always" you meant "traditionally" but turn about is fair play

However, you would be WRONG either way. Matter of fact Tennessee laid a whoppin on the Big 10 Champs back during that time frame I was speaking of. That was when Northwestern was good, they won the conference championship 2 years in a short span (either back to back or within the last few years). The second time was a tie with another team and because they didn't play each other the one that went to the Rose Bowl last had to go to another bowl and let the one that hadn't been go. It was widely considered that Northwestern got the shaft in that deal because they fell to the Citrus bowl and had to play the 3rd placed SEC Team.

They should have went to the Rose Bowl cause that 3rd place Tennessee team beat the big 10 champs like a drum.

So while I was only making a point, the fact of the matter was it was worse than I stated, it was the SEC 3rd place team that whooped the Big 10 champs that year, and it was one of the games that led the powers that be start scheduling "better matchups" as opposed to scheduling teams that finished comparably in their respective conferences.

LMBO.

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Posted by Blue Iron on 11-23-2010 12:21 AM:

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Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
Clyde, my bet is Auburn WILL NOT be playing in the National Championship. BET?

You said auburn would lose 2 games straight was your exact words. I'll go $100 that auburn doesn't lose 2 straight. That would either mean they lose to Bama and USCe or USCe and whoever they play in a bowl.

Put your money where your mouth is?

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Posted by Blue Iron on 11-23-2010 12:23 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
I really am willing to bet with anyone that Auburn will loose two games straight?

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 11-23-2010 01:31 PM:

I'll go 20 on that bet Clyde. Rip, you always refrence Tenn, I think down deep youre just mad that they are terrible.

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 11-23-2010 02:19 PM:

The SEC is a vacuum conference. They play OOC games primarily at home and most of them are against teams that are even easier than Boise State's easiest games. When they perform poorly against these low quality teams they blame it on the tough SEC conference. But when you you see their OOC play it does not support that the SEC is tough at all.

Why have SEC teams with common opponents of BSU done worse against them? BSU's defense held every opponent but one to their lowest total yardage of the year.

Two examples against SEC:

San Jose St. BSU 80 yds / ALABAMA 175
Fresno St. - BSU 125 yds / OLE MISS 420

Looks like the SEC has weak defenses. Perhaps we should re-evaluate Newton's stats given the easy teams Auburn plays.

Posted by Hartrum on 11-23-2010 04:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
The SEC is a vacuum conference. They play OOC games primarily at home and most of them are against teams that are even easier than Boise State's easiest games. When they perform poorly against these low quality teams they blame it on the tough SEC conference. But when you you see their OOC play it does not support that the SEC is tough at all.

Why have SEC teams with common opponents of BSU done worse against them? BSU's defense held every opponent but one to their lowest total yardage of the year.

Two examples against SEC:

San Jose St. BSU 80 yds / ALABAMA 175
Fresno St. - BSU 125 yds / OLE MISS 420

Looks like the SEC has weak defenses. Perhaps we should re-evaluate Newton's stats given the easy teams Auburn plays.

HOW LONG DID BAMA AND OLE MISS'S 1ST STRING DEFENSE PLAY AGAINST THESE TWO TEAMS YOU ARE COMPARING BOISE WITH??
OTHER THAN KENTUCKY WHO HAS AUBURN STRUGGLED WITH?
ARE YOU A IDIOT???

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Posted by dbpro56 on 11-23-2010 05:07 PM:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rip
[B]Sorry if you can't see an example for what it was, I could have easily said ACC and Big 10, doesn't matter for the point I was making.

They don't ALWAYS play in the Rose Bowl. Matter of fact I think OSU was the Big 10 champs and played LSU and then Florida. That didn't work out too good did it? Neither of them was in the Rose Bowl either were they?

I kinda thought we were talking about college football in this century!
OSU got smoked by Florida, but the game against LSU,was a good game!
It was a totally rebuilding year for Ohio St., and it was basically a home game for LSU. As I`ve stated on this post earlier, Ohio State has won a
national championship this century, not many can say that!

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 11-23-2010 05:24 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hartrum
HOW LONG DID BAMA AND OLE MISS'S 1ST STRING DEFENSE PLAY AGAINST THESE TWO TEAMS YOU ARE COMPARING BOISE WITH??
OTHER THAN KENTUCKY WHO HAS AUBURN STRUGGLED WITH?
ARE YOU A IDIOT???

How about a horrible Clemson where they had to pull a win out of there AZZ. Is that struggling enough for you????????

The real QUESTION IS WHAT GAME HAS AUBURN NOT STRUGGLED. If you call beating Miss State by 3 not struggling then i'm wasting my time here. If you call Auburn winning by 4 over a HORRIBLE UK team then i'm wasting my time here. If you call giving up 21 points in the first quarter to average Georgia team then i'm waisting my time here.

What is there defense ranked 100th in the country? I feel sorry for Auburn if they have to play Oregon. They better fold there cards now before they not only get embarrassed in the NCG but then they can kiss the SEC goodbye. Everyone knows what's going to happen to Newton and Auburns football program, it's only a matter of time.

Posted by dbpro56 on 11-23-2010 05:37 PM:

This has been a very entertaining post. We have seen a lot of passion concerning teams we root for, and teams we dislike. What I want to know,
is where are the comments from the other conference`s fans? Come on Big 12, ACC, and even the Big East.....now take the Big East...PLEASE take the Big East! Sorry, just kidding.

Posted by Blue Iron on 11-23-2010 08:21 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
I'll go 20 on that bet Clyde. Rip, you always refrence Tenn, I think down deep youre just mad that they are terrible.

Deal.

Posted by Rip on 11-23-2010 08:45 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by dbpro56
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rip
[B]Sorry if you can't see an example for what it was, I could have easily said ACC and Big 10, doesn't matter for the point I was making.

They don't ALWAYS play in the Rose Bowl. Matter of fact I think OSU was the Big 10 champs and played LSU and then Florida. That didn't work out too good did it? Neither of them was in the Rose Bowl either were they?

I kinda thought we were talking about college football in this century!
OSU got smoked by Florida, but the game against LSU,was a good game!
It was a totally rebuilding year for Ohio St., and it was basically a home game for LSU. As I`ve stated on this post earlier, Ohio State has won a
national championship this century, not many can say that!

Now how did you figgure that when I plainly said this unprecedented winning by the SEC went on in the 90's and that's when they changed the rules on how the bowls were selected?

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 11-23-2010 09:10 PM:

What's funny is the SEC still can't beat a non aq team in a bowl game. I would love to see BSU against Auburn in the title game unfortunatly Auburn is about to get beat.

Posted by mjones on 11-24-2010 03:32 AM:

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Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
How about a horrible Clemson where they had to pull a win out of there AZZ. Is that struggling enough for you????????

The real QUESTION IS WHAT GAME HAS AUBURN NOT STRUGGLED. If you call beating Miss State by 3 not struggling then i'm wasting my time here. If you call Auburn winning by 4 over a HORRIBLE UK team then i'm wasting my time here. If you call giving up 21 points in the first quarter to average Georgia team then i'm waisting my time here.

What is there defense ranked 100th in the country? I feel sorry for Auburn if they have to play Oregon. They better fold there cards now before they not only get embarrassed in the NCG but then they can kiss the SEC goodbye. Everyone knows what's going to happen to Newton and Auburns football program, it's only a matter of time.

miss st a top 25 team. a explosive streaky georgia offense. UK competitive school that plays every game tough. where are you seeing auburn struggle. i dont think 2 good teams playing is a struggle.

i hope lsu plays boise so you can see how good boise really is.
you must only watch boise play or something.is the championship game suppose to be a blow out? the way you sound is a team struggles if they dont win by 30. in real football there is 2 good teams playing each other. not a decent team playing a girl school. you really need to watch other football teams play instead of just boise. boise is decent but not as good as you think

who is going to beat auburn. they going to have to bring their best to win the next 2.
i hope lsu plays boise so we can see how good boise really is

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Posted by greg stull on 11-24-2010 03:43 AM:

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Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
I'll go 20 on that bet Clyde. Rip, you always refrence Tenn, I think down deep youre just mad that they are terrible.

AUBURN WILL BREAK A FOOT OFF IN ANYBODY YOU NAME. AND IM NOT A AUBURN FAN. TENN WILL DO IT TOOO.

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Posted by Matt Mays on 11-24-2010 04:50 AM:

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Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
I'll go 20 on that bet Clyde. Rip, you always refrence Tenn, I think down deep youre just mad that they are terrible.

hah 20 bucks i knew you were blowin smoke the whole time... if you aint got the confidence in your lame coments no more than that you are a laughing stock buddy.... bet the man his hundred if your so sure of yourself.... better yet i'll bet my 200 to your hundred if you please... hell you got it figured out so put up or shut up, take the bet if not everyone knows your full of crap.... whats it gonna be you that confident?

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 11-24-2010 01:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by mjones
miss st a top 25 team. a explosive streaky georgia offense. UK competitive school that plays every game tough. where are you seeing auburn struggle. i dont think 2 good teams playing is a struggle.

i hope lsu plays boise so you can see how good boise really is.
you must only watch boise play or something.is the championship game suppose to be a blow out? the way you sound is a team struggles if they dont win by 30. in real football there is 2 good teams playing each other. not a decent team playing a girl school. you really need to watch other football teams play instead of just boise. boise is decent but not as good as you think

who is going to beat auburn. they going to have to bring their best to win the next 2.
i hope lsu plays boise so we can see how good boise really is

With christmas coming up I think it would be pretty low of me to bet 100 on a game. You just proved how blind you really are. If the team is in the SEC it must just be a great team right? You're blindness is a joke. Miss State is AVERAGE AT BEST! UK competitive? You must be kidding there. Georgia explosive offense? LOL it just keeps getting better and better. Georgia is explosive alright against the horrible Auburn Defense.

Me watch other teams? I watch teams from every confrence maybe you should do the same. Auburn is not going to the title game so better get used to it.

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 11-24-2010 02:06 PM:

EXPANDED AP ( Wins and Losses VS. TOP 25 TEAMS )

SEC - East W-L
South Carolina 1-2
Florida 0-4
Georgia 0-4
Kentucky 1-2
Tennessee 0-4
Vanderbilt 0-3

SEC - West W-L
Auburn 4-0
LSU 2-1
Alabama 2-2
Arkansas 3-2
Mississippi State 0-4
Mississippi 0-4

So against top 25 teams the all powerfull SEC is 13 and 32. That is a winning % of 40. They sure are dominant aren't they?

Posted by Slough on 11-24-2010 02:41 PM:

Two questions

How many of those games were against another SEC team that was ranked in the top 25

Where is Boise's list

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 11-24-2010 02:49 PM:

It's not about Boise's confrence. It's about how all these.... Well ya know.... People that think the SEC's sh$$ don't stink.

The SEC has a loosing record against the BIG 10 in bowl games. The SEC is 0-2 against the MWAC.

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