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Posted by lockednks on 08-20-2009 09:44 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by hellcat
rrs
That's the problem with your view point. When it comes to Obama the burden of Prof falls to us. However that is not how it works when it comes to anyone else. The burden of Prof for a simple D.L. was on me. I don't see your sense of fairness in this.

Pretty sure it falls on the Supreme Court. More specifically Chief Justice Roberts. As I stated above, I believe Obama would have had to prove his citizenship to him before he was swore in.

Posted by hellcat on 08-20-2009 09:48 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by lockednks
Pretty sure it falls on the Supreme Court. More specifically Chief Justice Roberts. As I stated above, I believe Obama would have had to prove his citizenship to him before he was swore in.

I mean No Disrespect to you but
We have no way of knowing "IF" that ever took place and we should have the right to know.

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Posted by lockednks on 08-20-2009 09:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by hellcat
I mean No Disrespect to you but
We have no way of knowing "IF" that ever took place and we should have the right to know.

None taken Hell. Maybe I am too trusting but if a REPUBLICAN Chief Justice swore him in I am guessing that he had to prove that he was an American. And maybe I am wrong for assuming this but I have a feeling that the people that put Chief Roberts in office, ie. Bush and Cheney, would have reminded him to check that before he swore him in. I get such a kick out of this "Birther" talk.

Posted by rrs on 08-20-2009 09:53 PM:

jess,
you just make the assumption that Obama has not validated to your satisfaction, but you and I are not privy to such documentation, I have never seen the birth certificate of any president or elected offical personally, but am sure that the powers that be on both sides of the fence have validated-verified this or it would have been dealt with long before now... again,if he does not meet the criteria he should not be president, but that has not been proven, but would have ben if could have been long before now...

Posted by hellcat on 08-20-2009 10:03 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rrs
jess,
you just make the assumption that Obama has not validated to your satisfaction, but you and I are not privy to such documentation, I have never seen the birth certificate of any president or elected offical personally, but am sure that the powers that be on both sides of the fence have validated-verified this or it would have been dealt with long before now... again,if he does not meet the criteria he should not be president, but that has not been proven, but would have ben if could have been long before now...

The whole thing has never been in question before.
"I say Trust But Verify"
You seem to be on the side of trusting of things when it comes to Obama but not very demanding on the verify side of things.

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Posted by lockednks on 08-20-2009 10:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by hellcat
The whole thing has never been in question before.
"I say Trust But Verify"
You seem to be on the side of trusting of things when it comes to Obama but not very demanding on the verify side of things.

I am just wondering where you are getting that Obama HAS to show you anything? It is pretty obvious to anyone that is thinking objectively about this that someone, and I would bet everything that I owned that it was Chief Justice was required to check his citizenship before he was sworn in. I just don't understand where you get of saying "he has to prove it to me". Where is a law that states he has to personally show YOU his birth certificate? The law does state that he has to be an American Citizen. Who upholds that law? THE CHIEF JUSTICE.

And let me follow that up with, I am of the same mind as others on there that if he is not American he shouldn't be President. But I am going to leave the laws of this country up to the Supreme Court, not the general population.

Posted by rrs on 08-20-2009 10:19 PM:

jess,
last time, should have to verify period-meet the criteria or not serve, trust that the powers that be have vetted-verified-validated that Obama is qualified to serve or he would have never made it into the position to be the candidate and than elected... would have been been handled long before now, sure the demos as well as the gop did all of the research that can be done on this issue... all finished with this as debating-discussing is mute, a done deal....

Posted by lockednks on 08-20-2009 10:24 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rrs
jess,
last time, should have to verify period-meet the criteria or not serve, trust that the powers that be have vetted-verified-validated that Obama is qualified to serve or he would have never made it into the position to be the candidate and than elected... would have been been handled long before now, sure the demos as well as the gop did all of the research that can be done on this issue... all finished with this as debating-discussing is mute, a done deal....

Bet you five it ain't done.

Posted by hellcat on 08-20-2009 10:27 PM:

To become president you have to prove citizenry. I think that whenever there is doubt, I say man up and prove yourself. That is how I live and I would like to think our president would do the same.

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Posted by lockednks on 08-20-2009 10:33 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by hellcat
To become president you have to prove citizenry. I think that whenever there is doubt, I say man up and prove yourself. That is how I live and I would like to think our president would do the same.

So should anything that I question about either the Dems or the GOP be revealed to me? I just don't see why this is any different. Do you not trust a Republican Chief Justice to uphold the law? Especially when it could mean keeping a Dem out of the White House? Honestly I don't think that you do truly believe it. I think that you just want something to bitch and moan about Obama about. To each his own I guess. Whether he is or isn't a citizen was determined long ago by pay grades much higher than us!!

And with that I am out of this thread. Thanks for the conversation though.

Posted by hellcat on 08-20-2009 10:38 PM:

lockednks

I appreciate your conversation

Thanks for the Friendly disagreement

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Posted by hellcat on 08-20-2009 11:10 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rrs
jess,
last time, should have to verify period-meet the criteria or not serve, trust that the powers that be have vetted-verified-validated that Obama is qualified to serve or he would have never made it into the position to be the candidate and than elected... would have been been handled long before now, sure the demos as well as the gop did all of the research that can be done on this issue... all finished with this as debating-discussing is mute, a done deal....

rrs
Still a lot of assumptions in that statement !!!!!!
I think that power protects power, because someone is called Republican or Democrat means little to me. I think that both care more for each other than they do for Joe Citizen. I am surprised that so many Joe Citizens just go along with whatever those in power tell them.

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Posted by rrs on 08-20-2009 11:19 PM:

jess,
agree that the citizen is at the bottom of the heap and that powerholders are more in tune to the other powerholders than us, but that the power is the ultimate goal and they will do whatever it takes to get it or prevent it....

Posted by hellcat on 08-20-2009 11:31 PM:

Including

Helping protect each other by looking the other way

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Posted by lockednks on 08-21-2009 12:20 AM:

Re: Including

quote:
Originally posted by hellcat
Helping protect each other by looking the other way

I thought I was done.

Jess,
What does a Republican Chief Justice Roberts, who is EXTREMELY conservative, who has a NEVERENDING seat as Chief Justice gain out of having a black Dem President. Don't you think that he and "his" supreme court would have more to gain having a republican President in the white house? I guarantee you a republican President wouldn't have nominated a Liberal judge to fill that vacant seat in the supreme court like Obama did with Sotomayor.

I understand what you are saying that the powerful take care of the powerful. But if Roberts had the opportunity to not swear in Obama he would have taken it for the reasons I have stated.

Posted by hellcat on 08-21-2009 12:38 AM:

Re: Re: Including

quote:
Originally posted by lockednks
I thought I was done.

Jess,
What does a Republican Chief Justice Roberts, who is EXTREMELY conservative, who has a NEVERENDING seat as Chief Justice gain out of having a black Dem President. Don't you think that he and "his" supreme court would have more to gain having a republican President in the white house? I guarantee you a republican President wouldn't have nominated a Liberal judge to fill that vacant seat in the supreme court like Obama did with Sotomayor.

I understand what you are saying that the powerful take care of the powerful. But if Roberts had the opportunity to not swear in Obama he would have taken it for the reasons I have stated.

Still a lot of assumptions in what you are saying. Neither of us has any clue what Roberts would or would not do in a back room meeting with top Dem's or Rep's

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Posted by lockednks on 08-21-2009 01:04 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Including

quote:
Originally posted by hellcat
Still a lot of assumptions in what you are saying. Neither of us has any clue what Roberts would or would not do in a back room meeting with top Dem's or Rep's

I feel sorry for you that you have so little faith in your fellow Christian Republican Chief Roberts. Although, I guess look at some of the other conservative Christian senators and congressman lately. Pretty sad really.

Posted by hellcat on 08-21-2009 01:11 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Including

quote:
Originally posted by lockednks
I feel sorry for you that you have so little faith in your fellow Christian Republican Chief Roberts. Although, I guess look at some of the other conservative Christian senators and congressman lately. Pretty sad really.

It's SAD that you would attempt to be snide after posting in a gentleman's fashion in the beginning, I had thought better of you.

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Posted by lockednks on 08-21-2009 01:15 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Including

quote:
Originally posted by hellcat
It's SAD that you would attempt to be snide after posting in a gentleman's fashion in the beginning, I had thought better of you.

Jess,
I was not trying to be snide, sorry if it came off that way. Just trying to make my point. Sorry if I offended you. I will leave this thread alone b/c it is obvious that I am not going to change your mind. And that is what is fine and good about this country. That we can disagree about this BS and still go make a drop with the blue dogs. Have a great evening.

Posted by hellcat on 08-21-2009 01:21 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Including

quote:
Originally posted by lockednks
Jess,
I was not trying to be snide, sorry if it came off that way. Just trying to make my point. Sorry if I offended you. I will leave this thread alone b/c it is obvious that I am not going to change your mind. And that is what is fine and good about this country. That we can disagree about this BS and still go make a drop with the blue dogs. Have a great evening.

You are mistaken on one thing, I have never said that I had a opinion about Obama's being a citizen I just think that he should man up and dispel any questions.

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Posted by lockednks on 08-21-2009 01:24 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Including

quote:
Originally posted by hellcat
You are mistaken on one thing, I have never said that I had a opinion about Obama's being a citizen I just think that he should man up and dispel any questions.

I wasn't trying to make you feel one way or the other about whether he was a citizen or not. Just was trying to get you to understand why he doesn't need to show you personally.

Posted by hellcat on 08-21-2009 01:33 AM:

I never claimed that Obama should show me anything personally, I do feel that he has the responsibility as the president to ease the doubts of millions of people across the nation whenever and however he can. Something a simple as producing a legitimate birth certificate and a large question go's away,

Why Not just do it ?

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Posted by liberalcreek on 08-21-2009 07:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rrs
lib,
always the same with you, avoid-deflect, etc...

I neither avoid nor deflect. I post the truth. I am sorry that you refuse to accept it because it goes against your preconceived, biased beliefs.

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Posted by liberalcreek on 08-21-2009 07:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by lockednks
I haven't been keeping up with this thread, but your post just made me think of something.

A very well known republican Chief Justice Roberts was the one that swore in Obama as President. You don't think that as the leader of the Judiciary Branch he wouldn't have made sure that Obama was a US Citizen before he swore him in. I mean it would have been in the Chief Justice's (remember, republican) best interest to keep him out of the White House.

Chief Roberts couldnt even get the oath correct.

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