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Posted by hellcat on 08-17-2009 10:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rrs
little off of the vitrolic spewing-lo.... was watching pbs last night, don't label it as liberal-progressive which at times it is... this was a dicusssion featuring Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, most likely the two wealthiest people on earth... couple of pts., both said that tax system is already too flat and the very wealthy do not pay their share and have gotten tremendous breaks-perks recently, Buffet said the 15% capital gains tax is a great boon to the very rich, he also said that if he wanted to do so he could have avoided paying any income tax the last 20 yrs... both were oppossed to a flat tax-fair tax- I'm not-lo.... also they said that wealth is way too stratified and that in the long run it hurts growth in this nation by allowing fewer opportunities for success, guess they favor some form of redistribution-lo, at least more taxes on the very wealthy... also both were against dynastic wealth and felt it hurt more than helped by again canceling opportunity... also made distinctions between using wealth for personal consumtion or for the benefit of the world in general.... also some interesting views on what allows for success especially in a corporate structure, being unique, people person, develop strategy, implement, combination of 3 the best.... also said that success is being surrounded by people who love-repect-care about you- not $$$$, buffett said he knows many that have great $$$, forbes 400, but are not liked-cared about period even though they have colleges buildings named after them etc..... not advocating supporting their thoughts, just reporting some thoughts from the two richest of the rich.... by the way Buffet still lives in the same house always has, etc...-

Sounds like P/C speech on a P/C network. I would expect these guys to play the game and it sounds like they did. If either thought that they were paying to little in tax's they could easily write a check to the government for more, Want to bet they haven't ?

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Posted by rrs on 08-17-2009 10:43 PM:

both man have given the bulk of their wealth to help make the world a better place for those less fortunate, not just talking the walk, but walking the walk... just smart enough to realize that direct contributions work far better than letting the gov't. spend it unwisely.... buffett said he could pay no tax, but does, not sure if that is prudent-lo...

Posted by hellcat on 08-17-2009 10:47 PM:

If they think that giving the government money isn't the best idea then why would they think the tax system should charge them more ?

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Posted by rrs on 08-18-2009 03:40 AM:

they did not say that I did-lo.... believe they believe the gov't. can be the conduit to change that will bring more opportunity to more and that those with the most should contribute to support opportunity... they most likely believe that most of the truly wealthy would not help those less fortunate thus it becomes the privy of gov't... just my assessment of what they believe-opinion, not fact...

Posted by DonBTechler on 08-18-2009 04:08 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Choices..................

quote:
Originally posted by liberalcreek
Your dodging my question Don.

Why did Obama spend $1 Million dollars and send dozens of lawyers to Hawaii to keep from showing the birth certificate??

How did he go to college on a foreign student scholarship?

The Republicans were scared of being called racists by the Dems and the liberal media. They were/are spineless and scared of the media fallout if they pushed for the truth to be shown.

There are a few with politicians with a spine, and they are still fighting it thru the courts.

Don, What brings a man like yourself to support a man who befriended terrorists that killed Americans, attended a racist church for 20+ years that awarded terrorists for their accomplishments and preached hatred against other races and ethnic groups,voted anti gun 100% of the time,praised Marxist and Communist groups during his youth, and degraded Americans and this country in hsi books and speeches?

How does someone get to the point that they turn their back on their country, their family, and and everything this country was founded upon and vote for such a man?

http://www.rollitup.org/politics/22...-out-obama.html Two of the judges throwing out this ridiculous case were appointed by Republicans.

Posted by DonBTechler on 08-18-2009 04:13 AM:

Here is a link to Obamas birth certificate. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2...6168/320/534616

Posted by DonBTechler on 08-18-2009 04:15 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Choices..................

quote:
Originally posted by liberalcreek
No they didnt. They said he was, but refused to show the document.

Your dodging my question.

Why does a man spend $1 MILLION DOLLARS to hide a $10 birth certificate from being shown??

While your at it explain how a "U.S. Citizen", attended college on a foreign student scholarship.

He's not hiding anything. If that is true about the lawyers it was probably to protect himself from people like you who would do anything to discredit him.

Posted by DonBTechler on 08-18-2009 04:23 AM:

http://righttruth.typepad.com/right...cholarship.html

http://www.democraticunderground.co...address=284x560

Posted by liberalcreek on 08-18-2009 01:03 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Choices..................

quote:
Originally posted by DonBTechler
He's not hiding anything. If that is true about the lawyers it was probably to protect himself from people like you who would do anything to discredit him.

It is true. A simple google will show you thousands of newspaper articles concerning what he spent to keep his BC hidden.

Don, How could providing a legit, documented Birth Certificate do anything but help him in his defense of his legitimate claims of being a citizen of this country??

Your not making any sense.

I guess you are more of a Obama supporter than you want to admit. You will blindly follow him no matter how wrong and deceptive he is.

What kind of person can look in the mirror and call himself an American and support someone like Obama who admitted he hates Capitalism, loves Marxism and Communism, attended a racist church that give awards to Terrorists and racists and whose best friend and community activist friend was a admitted terrorist and murderer??

Pretty sickening. How depraved and uneducated do you have to be to align yourself with someone like that and actually think he has the best interests of this country at heart?

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Posted by liberalcreek on 08-18-2009 01:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by DonBTechler
Here is a link to Obamas birth certificate. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2...6168/320/534616

LOL!! The daily Kos. LOL!!

You might want to do a little research on that Don. The document the Daily Kos provided is different than the one the Obama thugs provided. Whose is right? Neither will comment, and according to Hawaii officials neither was ever released.
BTW,DN, Look at the bottom left hand corner. How was a document from 1961 printed with a laser printer?? LOL!! You have been duped again.

Don, Bow down to Obama, your supreme leader and messiah and believe anything you are told about him. LOL!!

That is like Hitler issuing a statement on how well he was taking care of the Jews during WWII.

How did they circumvent $1 Million dollars and an army of lawyers?? LOL!!

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Posted by James200 on 08-18-2009 01:50 PM:

If I were to have a beer with Boorock Obama.....I'd tell him about the coal truck that turned over in Nebraska which was on its way to South Dakota to put his face on Mt.Rushmore.

Posted by Robert Johnson on 08-18-2009 02:15 PM:

and the pot stays thick with smelly doo doo. that doo doo is sitting in the white house, and legally, he is not supposed to be there, but our so called justices in the big court are scared to hear a real constitutional issue. yes..back in the day, they , and mr doo doo, would all be tarred and feathered. wouldn't that be a glorious day?

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Posted by hellcat on 08-18-2009 10:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Robert Johnson
and the pot stays thick with smelly doo doo. that doo doo is sitting in the white house, and legally, he is not supposed to be there, but our so called justices in the big court are scared to hear a real constitutional issue. yes..back in the day, they , and mr doo doo, would all be tarred and feathered. wouldn't that be a glorious day?

Hopefully we are seeing the awaking of the Patriot Spirit in Americans.
Step by Step, Person by Person we can still make a difference. The last time we grew weary of Taxation without Representation things changed. It could happen again.

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Posted by rrs on 08-18-2009 10:41 PM:

hope the people do reclaim the nation, but complacency most often overules activism.... people worry about their own needs, but often disregard those of the other.... if the Gop or demos remain in control of the gov't. nothing can-will change other than names of the players, the game with the citizen as the loser will remain intact....

Posted by hellcat on 08-18-2009 11:52 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rrs
hope the people do reclaim the nation, but complacency most often overules activism.... people worry about their own needs, but often disregard those of the other.... if the Gop or demos remain in control of the gov't. nothing can-will change other than names of the players, the game with the citizen as the loser will remain intact....

rrs
I agree with most of what you said<don't fall down now> However I think that everyone should worry about themselves
and let others do the same.
If people would quit looking to Big Brother and MAKE Big Brother quit looking to them things would improve quickly.

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Posted by rrs on 08-19-2009 12:49 AM:

jess,
didn't fall down-lo... agree except that I think that we do have an obligation to one another for the good of ourselves as well as that of others, with that said not big brother acting in our behalf or the other, we do need to depend on ourselves for most things and not expect handouts, but gov't. can act to promote opportunity for all-not entitlements for some at the expense of the other...

Posted by hellcat on 08-19-2009 01:21 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by rrs
jess,
didn't fall down-lo... agree except that I think that we do have an obligation to one another for the good of ourselves as well as that of others, with that said not big brother acting in our behalf or the other, we do need to depend on ourselves for most things and not expect handouts, but gov't. can act to promote opportunity for all-not entitlements for some at the expense of the other...

I agree in this respect
Taking care of myself means this. My family, My friends and
My loved ones. I also help others in need when I can. If I Continue to take care of mine and you take care of yours. Big Brother has no need to take care of either of us or to take From either of us.

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Posted by rrs on 08-19-2009 01:30 AM:

agree for the most part, do think that somethings we cannot do ourselves such as build roads- education needs-defense of the nation- security, etc... but day to day we can take care of ourselves and others that you have mentioned with no need of big brother supervising-intervening...

Posted by hellcat on 08-19-2009 01:54 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by rrs
agree for the most part, do think that somethings we cannot do ourselves such as build roads- education needs-defense of the nation- security, etc... but day to day we can take care of ourselves and others that you have mentioned with no need of big brother supervising-intervening...

Road building is suppose to be taken care of by the gasoline tax, No need to change that other than to have more accomplished for the money spent.

Military spending OK, However I would like to see our dollars go for our Military only. Let the other countries take care of themselves.

Education, I think it's currently a train wreck thanks mostly to Big Brother. We spend way to much for what we get. Local control would solve many problems.

Our Tax rate could be cut by 3/4 if that were all that we were spending money on. Those left in our pocket DOLLARS those dollars would allow us to better take care of ourselves and loved ones. Less Need for Big Brother !!!

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Posted by liberalcreek on 08-19-2009 12:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by liberalcreek
LOL!! The daily Kos. LOL!!

How was a document from 1961 printed with a laser printer?? LOL!! You have been duped again.

Where'd ya go Don?? Dont run off and hide .

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Posted by john nannemann on 08-19-2009 01:48 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rrs
hope the people do reclaim the nation, but complacency most often overules activism.... people worry about their own needs, but often disregard those of the other.... if the Gop or demos remain in control of the gov't. nothing can-will change other than names of the players, the game with the citizen as the loser will remain intact....

rrs, no one will every convince me that "charity" and "compulsion" are one in the same. in short, the MEANINGS of those two words are mutually EXCLUSIVE. just mine and websters opinion.

Posted by rrs on 08-19-2009 02:02 PM:

not sure about the inference of charity-compulsion... my contention is that most are apathetic and will allow the other guy do what needs to be done and than ride along.... being active takes effort-sometimes risk while being complacent is a much easier road to travel, most often take the road most traveled, complacency hwy 101....

Posted by DonBTechler on 08-19-2009 02:12 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by liberalcreek
Where'd ya go Don?? Dont run off and hide .

If you lose your birth certificate and apply for a new one, this is what you get. The supreme court ruled that your claim and nuts like you is bogus. Obama is President.

Posted by TJH on 08-19-2009 03:02 PM:

Don im tired of youre ignorant statments. Ive been reading this thread and liberalcreek makes vary accurate statments and everytime you run and hide. Sure the fact is Obama is the pesident and we have to put up with it for a while but my dogs have better morals and principals then this joke has ever had. Theres some facts for all you Obama lovers. It disgusts me how someone could degrade themselves and this fine country to vote for such a man.

Posted by liberalcreek on 08-19-2009 05:42 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by DonBTechler
If you lose your birth certificate and apply for a new one, this is what you get.

Sorry, but the Obama administration said thatwas an original copy.
Why is there two versions of it and Hawaii wont tell us which one is legit??

quote:
Originally posted by DonBTechler
The supreme court ruled that your claim and nuts like you is bogus.

Really?? Show us the ruling where they said that.

You never answered my question.

Why would any sane person who is a actual citizen of this country spend $1 Million dollars to keep from p[roving it beyond a shadow of a doubt?

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