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Posted by stanley nichols on 10-18-2014 02:07 AM:

I could post several pages on Jack some you would like some you wouldnt but to be short and sweet in what I like most about Jack is She's Might Molly and Woodstock Tina his grand mothers on both sides . Absolutley the best 2 english females I ever hunted with , both tree coons anywhere you turn them loose and make you like them. Jack is bred to reproduce and defintley is , but Jack pups arent for ever man and woman hunter thats what makes the world go around. j m o

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Posted by Rory Cowles on 10-18-2014 02:39 PM:

Guess what I like about Jack is the FACT that he has reproduced winners at the national level this isn't hear say it's in all the coonhunting books!!!!!!Normally on the cover main stories in side stuff like that!!! Again FACTS!!! Now will all crosses work NO will all pups make NO most don't but when one does look out its worth the wait and efforts!!!Anybody that thinks that any one stud dog is the cure all for the breed is a fool it takes two then the hard part getting the pups hunted!!!

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Posted by Asa Briggs on 10-20-2014 12:24 PM:

Re: reproducer?????

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Originally posted by John Ball
Come on guys, its a little early to lump jack in with dogs like little joe and speck. I have owned 3 off him. One made a fair dog. one got ran over. and the other kept beating the coons to the tree. the fair one was about 50-60% accurate but did have plenty speed. and yes you better have your walkin shoes on cause hed flat blow through the country. I may have just picked bad pups. But I think its a little early to call jack foundation stock. jmo. Happy Huntin

Mr. Ball what females were your pups off from? Just curious if any of the other ones turned out or if it was just the ones you had. They all don't make it but I sure like the ones I have!!!

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Posted by Asa Briggs on 10-20-2014 12:25 PM:

Congrats to Terry Bratton and NEW Gr.Nt.Ch. High Street Jack, sure am proud of you!!!

Posted by larry wilcox on 10-20-2014 05:13 PM:

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GENTELMEN, My name is Larry Wilcox...I have loved and hunted my english hounds for most of 50 years...Some will Like others will not But no doubt in my mind Jack is one tremendous reproducer and Asa is top of the line.....Larry

Posted by cck1 on 10-21-2014 10:21 PM:

3 month old jack pups

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrLX...be_gdata_player

3 momths old first time to see a live coon..

Posted by Kody on 10-22-2014 01:13 AM:

Wow

U see jack pups winning at a national level and u wanna talk because u didn't have any luck with a couple pups?

This dude serious!?

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Posted by trschellhorn on 10-22-2014 04:46 AM:

Jack

Well there's just a couple things I gonna say about jack. I like him, his hunting style, has all the heart you could ask for and if he ain't a candidate for foundation stock I don't know what is. And that is why I have 2 of his offspring in my backyard and will continue to hunt pups out of jack and continue to breed females to him so we can have good hounds for the betterment of the English breed. I also know that several people have put in the time, money and sweat to keep the English breed strong by breeding coondog to coondog to make some good pups and jack is a dang good stud to start with. If you don't like him that's your opinion don't breed to him go find the one that suits you. And maybe coming into a conversation and insulting a man and his dog who is on the current reproducers list and historical reproducers list may not be the best way to start it out Mr. Ball. Sure seems to me quite a few people have chosen him as foundation stock

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Posted by Asa Briggs on 10-22-2014 11:51 AM:

Congrats to Ron Stoner and NEW Gr.Nt.Ch. Stoner's Lightning Jack!!!!!

Posted by Wendall Wilder on 10-23-2014 02:33 AM:

Re: Re: Jack

quote:
Originally posted by travis gideon
His name is JACK. You are right the female plays a huge roll, but Jack is overpowering compared to the average stud. For whatever reason a stud dog comes alone once in a great while that is a foundation stock type reproducer, like Little Joe, Speck, etc.....Jack is one of those dogs, in my opinion. Jack normally/ consistently throws no reverse, independent, stay put treedog's.

He is 9 years old and yes he is in KY here at my house.

I agree Jack has had some pups win on the national level , how bout his sire , Roy won on the national level and produced dogs that won on the national level , he never is mentened in your foundation stories , in my opinion I guess sometimes people get tired of you beating the same ol horse but goes unmentioned. jmo

Posted by honalieh on 10-23-2014 03:43 AM:

Too much adoo about nothing!!!

I think that most can agree that Jack may be the best reproducing English stud dog since Hardtime Speck. That's my opinion!!!
That said, some didn't/don't consider Speck as a foundation dog. That's not my opinion, but others have that opinion. I disagree!
Personally, I'd put Jack at #2, behind Speck, and ahead of Joe, Junior, and Merk's Tapp.
I wouldn't criticize someone that doesn't consider Jack as a foundation sire, even though I may disagree.

Posted by travis gideon on 10-23-2014 04:03 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Jack

quote:
Originally posted by Wendall Wilder
I agree Jack has had some pups win on the national level , how bout his sire , Roy won on the national level and produced dogs that won on the national level , he never is mentened in your foundation stories , in my opinion I guess sometimes people get tired of you beating the same ol horse but goes unmentioned. jmo

Glad you asked Mr. Wilder! I haven't beat the same ol horse only the horse that is still alive and reproducing like no other in the breed of dog that I've hunted for 19 years. Roy, I believe could have been just that, another "foundation" type reproducer....but like so many of the well bred "Sonny" dogs that have came before Roy they met an untimely death. Not sure how "up to speed" you are on the line but....Old Sonny, Sonny III, Nichols Tree Spike, Gold Nugget KY Lotto, Oakwood's Sunkist, Roy, etc.....ALL died too early for one reason or another, right when they were just catching on for different reasons. So glad that one of these hounds with this blood (mix with several other mens blood) has made it to a ripe old age that reproduces like so many others have before him. Better get ya some!!!

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Posted by Gordy Sebert on 10-23-2014 12:40 PM:

Wanna buy mine. I don't seem to have trouble training jack pups.

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Posted by Rory Cowles on 10-23-2014 01:53 PM:

What is foundation stock??? If you breed two dogs and get a pup ain't the parents foundation to that pup??? Or am I missing something ??? Then if that pup makes it you build from there ain't that a foundation???? I've also hunted with alot of the the so called" foundation" dogs and alot of there offspring and in my opinion most of them and there offspring wasn't worth a CRAP that's just dogs and breeding what one person likes another may hate most don't like what I hunt but they have done me well so until I find something better I will stick with what I am doing!!!!

Posted by Rory Cowles on 10-23-2014 02:17 PM:

For the most part most of the young hunters today don't even know or care if a dog is 49 times speck Joe and tapp or who Ed bates gene Boyd or Joe nation even are all they care about is who its out of on the pup papers and will it tree so they can rush it to the ss and is it a performance pup.

Posted by travis gideon on 10-23-2014 02:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Rory Cowles
What is foundation stock??? If you breed two dogs and get a pup ain't the parents foundation to that pup??? Or am I missing something ??? Then if that pup makes it you build from there ain't that a foundation???? I've also hunted with alot of the the so called" foundation" dogs and alot of there offspring and in my opinion most of them and there offspring wasn't worth a CRAP that's just dogs and breeding what one person likes another may hate most don't like what I hunt but they have done me well so until I find something better I will stick with what I am doing!!!!

Rory,

What you're saying is true as well, but basically foundation stud is one that reproduces well enough they could be taken and start their own breed, crossbred with positive results, dominating trait reproducing ability. Also, the stud looks like is original dogs that started the breed.

Posted by English 101 on 10-24-2014 06:35 AM:

Fellas I can't

help but reply to this thread. I am an old Dog! But my thoughts are these. As the torch.. and Title of "Foundation Stock" of hounds gets passed on from Generation to Generation the names are going to change...its certain to happen. As Rory Said Earlier probably not a very high percentage of people actually know a lot of accurate information about the hounds that have been called foundation stock of the English breed. If the truth be told a lot of the information has come to us from a source, from another source, from another source, and so on, and so on. You can only acquire accurate information on a line of dogs from hunting them for many.. many years, and through all the highs and lows. Having said that keep in mind that for a lot of these foundation hounds of yesteryear that are talked about today, being a coon dog that actually treed live coons seven nights a week was a priority, and a necessity. And yes sometimes a little off game was included in that fun! HA. A lot of the time those dogs also had to do their job in areas where coon populations were thin, and if the hounds could not do that, they probably did not live very long. Buy the same token in yesteryear there was more patience to let a hound develop than there is today, partly because of genetics, partly because of finances, but mostly because the world was a much bigger place. It was not as easy to get a bloodline from one part of the country to another. I remember a time when the internet did not exist and you actually wrote letters to a breeder asking about their dogs. (wow I am old!) If you ask any good breeder what their number one concern is for their litters is , the answer will be.. that the pups will not get into hands that will give them chance to make it. Also in yesteryear..Competition hunting was usually secondary to having an all around start to finish coon dog. Remember Also as far as comp hunts go, in yester year we are probably talking about 3 hour nite hunts...how many people remember those, and how many dogs today could survive those? So in closing I say this..over the years many many things have changed, and some for the better.. communication methods, ability to get bloodlines from point "A" to "B". Because of this we have more opportunities than ever with the breeding and bloodlines that are available today.However there are a couple things that should not change..First Enjoy the opportunities we have in hounds today! Hounds are not machines, most are like kids, if they are handled properly, they will become great adults. Second Don't Bash a breeder because he has found success with a line of dogs, or a cross that has worked for him. Understand this the success they have had with their dogs and with their willingness to share that blood, more than likely it could end up helping you better your kennel, or improve your success. However If you try a cross on your female from one of these studs, or you buy a pup or two from a breeders line, and they don't work out, because they are not your style of hunting dog, or have the looks you like. DO the English Breed a Favor don't bash the stud dog, or the breeder, Because they are both trying to do the same thing, give us an opportunity to maybe own and hunt something that may help our own programs and maybe.. just maybe.. this great sport we call coon hunting will keep moving forward!
I for one am happy for Asa & Jack, and all the other breeders and their lines that have done well with their dogs and breeding programs, because very. very few people actually know how many throw away dollars, and how many personal sacrifices are involved in getting a line of dogs a chance to be successful as well as keeping it successful over the long haul! To all of you my hats off to you! Keep up the Good work!!

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Posted by larry wilcox on 10-24-2014 04:45 PM:

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Wow Mike you nailed it.......

Posted by Asa Briggs on 10-25-2014 02:11 PM:

Congrats to Robbie Anderson and NEW Nt.Ch. Main Street Big Nasty Vern!!!!!

Posted by bob d on 10-25-2014 04:19 PM:

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you deffinetly got it correct, just to make you feel a little better i also remember the 3 hr hunt's good luck!!!

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Posted by John Ball on 10-26-2014 11:10 PM:

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I really don't see where my age is relavent but sence you are curious. Im 42 and work as a construction laborer and have sence I was 18. I will never appoligize to a dog ... and as far as foundation type hounds go I believe a stud should be visible in his grandpups and great grandpups to be considered foundation stock. Im sure you are color blind but Hickory nut Harry and Rat attack are prime examples of what I would consider foundation stock type dogs along with lipper. also hoffmeisters rusty red. Lonnie utchmans rebel dog from years ago. and yes main street roy and even merks tap. even wicks camo jug. all have grand pups and great grandpups that show there dominate charracteristics. maybe im wrong but ive been coon huntin for 30 years too and you can bet I know what I want in a dog for foundation stock. you can breed what ever you want and hunt what ever you want. but make no mistake I have not run jack or asa down simply stated what I thought. after all this is a public forum and everyone is welcome. Mister Briggs sorry to start such a stink on your post. If I was a breeder I would want the feed back good or bad.

Posted by Mikehamm on 10-27-2014 02:39 AM:

i cant help but read this post.. first i wanna say im sure jack has threw some decent pups.. even tho the ones i have had hasnt not been what i wanted,, the ones i have had has just been to junky for me...i would love to have one out of him if i could find me one that was a good coon treer an straight hound

an 2nd sounds like some guys on here are trying to down some of the lengends of the english coonhounds.. to me i dont think jack is the best thing since slice bread even tho he must be a pretty nice dawg..

just in my opioin i like the old dogs like boyds little joe an timber star buddy thats foundation stock travis

but im not trying to down jack or asa!!! i wanna say thanks to mr briggs for trying to keep the englis breed going

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Posted by Hooch1987 on 10-27-2014 04:32 AM:

This post clearly states MAIN STREET JACK PUP PICS.
Everyone has their own opinion but this forum was not made for people to argue back and forth over others opinions. Keep what you think to yourselves this is very childish to just keep this going and going!! I look forward to seeing Jacks pups accomplishments when I read this post not this crap!
So let's get back to what the forum was intentionally put on here for and start posting more of the Fabulous Main Street Jacks pup pics!!

14 months old and doing it all alone! Very independent, quick and accurate.

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Posted by Austin young on 10-27-2014 08:24 PM:

quote:
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First of I want to say that JACK is a fine reproducer and Asa is a fine person, there is no doubt about this. As far as JACK being "foundation stock", well he may be, I don't know that he is or if he isn't but I do know this, his daddy is. NICHOLS TREE SPIKE and MAINSTREET ROY are what started it. Like I said earlier, I like Asa and I think JACK is a dominant reproducer, however I do feel that we as breeders must use our heads and think of what females need to be bred to JACK. I feel and I have no apologies about what I'm saying that JACK needs to be bred to females that are accurate and have big mouths and most importantly aren't heavy SONNY bred. That's my opinion!! I'm not at all trying to take away from his reproducing record because it speaks for itself. If you ask any honest breeder he/she will tell you that his/her stud crosses better on some bloodlines than others. I'm not saying that JACK isn't accurate I'm simply saying he throws a lot of tree power in his pups. I'm glad we have a stud in the English breed that is on fire like JACK is and I'm proud of him and Asa for that but if you want to talk about foundation stock I think you should start with MAINSTREET ROY and/OR NICHOLS TREE SPIKE. ROY produced JACK and he produced JOHN THE BAPTIST. It started with ROY!! This is in no way INTENDED to take away from JACK or what he has accomplished but to give the readers my take on it. And lastly, I have seen several get on here and
bash others that didn't share their opinion about JACK, well this is America and each is entitled to their opinion. Some that are bashing folks for giving their opinion are some of the same that I have seen in this very post throw off on other dogs, mostly those dogs from the past. In each line of dogs there will be dominant reproducers. JACK is definitely a dominant reproducer!! No doubt!! And Asa is as good of a guy to deal with as it gets, both are top notch!!
JMO

Well said Mr Gibbons I think you've hit it on the head here!

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Posted by travis gideon on 10-28-2014 01:01 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hooch1987
This post clearly states MAIN STREET JACK PUP PICS.
Everyone has their own opinion but this forum was not made for people to argue back and forth over others opinions. Keep what you think to yourselves this is very childish to just keep this going and going!! I look forward to seeing Jacks pups accomplishments when I read this post not this crap!
So let's get back to what the forum was intentionally put on here for and start posting more of the Fabulous Main Street Jacks pup pics!!

14 months old and doing it all alone! Very independent, quick and accurate.

Nice post Chris! Your young Jack pup seems to being doing very well. Have you titled him in any way yet? Good luck!

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