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We did not meet regarding the cross bred issue at the Winter Classic. We are still working on some details in-house and were not ready to make a presentation. Hope to have something ready on this in the near future.

Todd/UKC posted this earlier on a diffrent thread.

I have been a breeder of the same line

of walker dogs for over 30 years and consider myself an established breeder. I for one thing this is a great idea.
The walker breed has bred itself into a corner. there are litterally a hundred dual grand champions at stud right now on this board and in the magazines. I see young dogs at a year old and older for sale on here for mere cents on the dollar for what they were paid for as a weaning pup.
The vast majority of walker hounds now are hot nosed, go into the universe, mouthy radically treeing idiots.
Now I know I will get a hundred posts of come on down and bring your best and old sport will grind out a two day old track and has never treed slick in his life challenges.
You can say what you want...I dont see it. Genetically we have bred the walker breed into this by everybody breeding to the latest Truck winner or world hunt winner and not truly studying the DNA and genetic makeup for each hound before we make the cross.
We have bred our walker hounds into the typical painting yourself into a corner situation. The complete hound of nose, agility, intelligence, stamina, voice, and dominant reproductive ability, and accuracy is all but gone.

With that said, I think it would absolutely create an opportunity for me as a breeder to experiment and create a hound that can truly meet all those requirements.
You can find one or two of those traits in some of the walker studs, but I havent found it as a complete package in one yet.

If it was, you would see complete dominating studs that are reproducing the same in sons, grandsons, and great grandsons. We have watered the gene pool down to a puddle.

I can not see where this would harm anyone. Like someone said above, it would not take but about two generations no more than three before you would see complete dominance in the hunts from this. The black and tan/walker crossed Hardrock is a prime example of this.

UKC I want to throw my vote into the ring on this issue as a big YES for moving forward with this.

I will be one of the first to make a move and make a cross on it because I believe it will help the over all game.

What is the reason not to do it? Those that want to continue on with their breed forever nothing will stand in your way by doing this. AS a matter of fact it will help breeders in the walker arena anyway. There are walker stud adds that have been on the board for years and the owners havent bred an outsid female except his local buddys dog.
You might get some play on your dog from the black and tan man down the road or an English for sure.

Let's think outside the box. I think this will be a win win for UKC as I think the breeding game is stagnant right now and this would create a new excitement that would bring in added money for UKC. And not to mention a whole new converstation down at the feed store pickle barrel and a whole new line of arguments to get deleted by the monitors!!!!

Its like resurrecting the old WWF. Dont delay vote today. I got a cross I am ready to roll with.

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Re: I have been a breeder of the same line

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Originally posted by cripple creek
of walker dogs for over 30 years and consider myself an established breeder. I for one thing this is a great idea.
The walker breed has bred itself into a corner. there are litterally a hundred dual grand champions at stud right now on this board and in the magazines. I see young dogs at a year old and older for sale on here for mere cents on the dollar for what they were paid for as a weaning pup.
The vast majority of walker hounds now are hot nosed, go into the universe, mouthy radically treeing idiots.
Now I know I will get a hundred posts of come on down and bring your best and old sport will grind out a two day old track and has never treed slick in his life challenges.
You can say what you want...I dont see it. Genetically we have bred the walker breed into this by everybody breeding to the latest Truck winner or world hunt winner and not truly studying the DNA and genetic makeup for each hound before we make the cross.
We have bred our walker hounds into the typical painting yourself into a corner situation. The complete hound of nose, agility, intelligence, stamina, voice, and dominant reproductive ability, and accuracy is all but gone.

With that said, I think it would absolutely create an opportunity for me as a breeder to experiment and create a hound that can truly meet all those requirements.
You can find one or two of those traits in some of the walker studs, but I havent found it as a complete package in one yet.

If it was, you would see complete dominating studs that are reproducing the same in sons, grandsons, and great grandsons. We have watered the gene pool down to a puddle.

I can not see where this would harm anyone. Like someone said above, it would not take but about two generations no more than three before you would see complete dominance in the hunts from this. The black and tan/walker crossed Hardrock is a prime example of this.

UKC I want to throw my vote into the ring on this issue as a big YES for moving forward with this.

I will be one of the first to make a move and make a cross on it because I believe it will help the over all game.

What is the reason not to do it? Those that want to continue on with their breed forever nothing will stand in your way by doing this. AS a matter of fact it will help breeders in the walker arena anyway. There are walker stud adds that have been on the board for years and the owners havent bred an outsid female except his local buddys dog.
You might get some play on your dog from the black and tan man down the road or an English for sure.

Let's think outside the box. I think this will be a win win for UKC as I think the breeding game is stagnant right now and this would create a new excitement that would bring in added money for UKC. And not to mention a whole new converstation down at the feed store pickle barrel and a whole new line of arguments to get deleted by the monitors!!!!

Its like resurrecting the old WWF. Dont delay vote today. I got a cross I am ready to roll with.

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Btt, I've already voted for it .

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Re: I have been a breeder of the same line

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Originally posted by cripple creek
UKC I want to throw my vote into the ring on this issue as a big YES for moving forward with this.

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I for one think if UKC does open a cross breed option for dogs who are out of two different breeds of UKC registered dogs....it will satisfy a need for many hunters who want to try new things to breed better coon hounds. It will also help to keep the other pure breed pure and stop a lot of dishonesty associated with some breed association requirements for single registration. It would also (hopefully) show both sides of a pedigree with all dogs full names, titles, and UKC numbers so that breeders can know exactly what blood is in the cross bred dog instead of going by made up names with no titles like you see on one or both sides of many single registered dogs.
I believe from all the interest on this board and at big events and several breed circles....that a cross breed option would probably see a lot more dogs registered in it than the last breed that was added by UKC. And it may see a lot faster growth than that breed in the future because the field of participants would cover combinations of all of the current recognised coonhound breeds....and that is a very large pool that could generate significant income for UKC.....I don't really see a down side to the formation of a cross breed option....seems like a win/win for all involved if done the right way...

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guys I get on here and read these posts all the time and laugh my but off a lot of times I am not a comp hunter I am a bear hunter I have a plot 3 English a walker and a walker English cross (that I payed for) I have hunted around about every breed but I prefer English seem to start faster for me but everyone has there own beliefs (and that's exactly what most of them are) but if we as hunters do not even try to get along how can we ever fight the fight to keep our rights because you can be assured that somebody somewhere is watching and waiting for the right time to pounce and they are not gonna care what color yours,mine, or his dog is

how long can it take to get this worked out ? it seems this topic has a lot of support and would generate a good bit of money for the ukc as well as getting more dogs in the hunt. they could just be called designer dogs like is so common now with other cross breeds like the labadoodle or the morkie. look what those cross breeds a selling for now not to long ago you could have got them for 50 or less because they were mutts now they are over 750.

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Originally posted by Hoosier Outlaw
I for one think if UKC does open a cross breed option for dogs who are out of two different breeds of UKC registered dogs....it will satisfy a need for many hunters who want to try new things to breed better coon hounds. It will also help to keep the other pure breed pure and stop a lot of dishonesty associated with some breed association requirements for single registration. It would also (hopefully) show both sides of a pedigree with all dogs full names, titles, and UKC numbers so that breeders can know exactly what blood is in the cross bred dog instead of going by made up names with no titles like you see on one or both sides of many single registered dogs.
I believe from all the interest on this board and at big events and several breed circles....that a cross breed option would probably see a lot more dogs registered in it than the last breed that was added by UKC. And it may see a lot faster growth than that breed in the future because the field of participants would cover combinations of all of the current recognised coonhound breeds....and that is a very large pool that could generate significant income for UKC.....I don't really see a down side to the formation of a cross breed option....seems like a win/win for all involved if done the right way...

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I think this is a great idea for UKC. As long as they are "hounds" it shouldn't matter. I always wondered what would happen if we just bred for traits and traits alone. No eye towards color or coat or anything. Just the traits involved with treeing a coon.

I really don't care what color they are. Most "purebred" snobs I know don't know what their dogs go back to anyway. Most breeders don't see the value cause their ego's get in their eyes.

I'd love to try and build another Burkdolls Bone. Sandy Creek Jake or Get Ahead Lil Red.

This should have already been done, it is long overdue. #KC has had a crossbreed registry for a while now and it hasn't hurt a thing, except some purebred owners pride a time or two. In my opinion it will be the best thing that has happened for the hounds in a long time. We always here about these purebred hounds are really a little of this and that, from breeding behind the barn, well if UKC will man up and go forward with this we can get out from behind the barn. Because UKC has no crossbreed program and allowed a 1/8 bluetick to be registered as a walker #KC has also allowed this crossbreed to be moved over to the walker registry. I know this was a well known hound and a good hound so an increased # of pups being registered from him probably had something to do with the decision too. But if UKC had a crossbreed registry this dog would still be a crossbreed where he belongs.

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ukc,need to get this to a vote,lets keep moving forward with these hounds.Thank you

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it didnt take this long to make the garmin legal in the night hunts. there must be some reason nobody will even reply now. it looks like the ukc is hoping this will just go away.

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Originally posted by Todd K / UKC
We are back on the project as it is being discussed for performance dogs outside the world of coonhounds also. Stand by.......

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Has anyone heard any update on this subject?

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I gave up on hearing anything. Seems like everything is a long drawn out affair. I can continue to hunt my Cross-Breds in UKC because I can single register them English, but they are alot of folks who cannot. A wise man once said, $h^* or get off the pot!! Lol.

Hurry up ukc we are getting old here

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Crossbreed

Like someone said in a earlier reply. Been going on for years before DNA. Know a few guys that cross black dogs with walker, redbones with walker, black n tans with plots and so on. So like someone said earlier there are very few pure bred hounds anyways. Just several people in denial.

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