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I'm sorry guys, but the whole "big bucks are totally nocturnal" is as big of an excuse as, "coon hunters ruin our deer hunting"!

Last weekend, a guy that hunts just a mile from my stand, shot a 200 inch bruiser, that had so much trash on his rack, he had 24 scoreable points. And he did so, mid-morning! I guess nobody told that deer of the rule!?!

Three seasons ago, I shot a very nice 139", main frame 10-pointer. That too was mid-morning, in October, well before any rut activity. I guess he just must have been mentally retarded!?!

Do big bucks feed and move more at night? Yes. But so do all deer! Catch those bruisers leaving or heading back to their bedding areas, and you will see one in the daylight. During the rut, you may see one all day. That is true. But these big bucks are not solely nocturnal, they're just much better at hiding, until the testosterone takes over, than most younger deer.

The truth is, most folks only catch these swamp monsters on their game camera at night, because they placed the camera where they saw a lot of deer activity. While most hunters, have not figured out the trails these bruisers use during the early morning and late afternoon hours, as they're sneaking around. Hence an erroneous assumption that they must only be out at night...

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David Schmidt
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nice thing about living where we do, you can have your opinion and i can have mine. I don't disagree that some bigger bucks can and are taken in Oct. but I do believe the majority of them are mainly nocturnal until the women drag them out of cover because they smell so darn good and unlike Joe I won't write a couple paragraphs defending my point of view. Although he is good at it.

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Mark Warner

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Those big bucks that are moving midmorning are moving because someone or something pushed em outta their beds and broke their pattern, maybe a farmer, maybe a kid on a 4wheeler, maybe another hunter, but given their choice they are in bed by sunup. They dont just hop up and decide to go for a stroll, they are creatures of habit. If you pattern a buck on your trailcam you will see that they make their rounds on a pretty predictable timetable.
Bowhunters especially because they hunt prerut always want to be the only one in the woods,but i would bet a very large percentage of the deer taken are in the wrong place at the right time because someone or something disturbed their routine.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by deschmidt27
[B]I'm sorry guys, but the whole "big bucks are totally nocturnal" is as big of an excuse as, "coon hunters ruin our deer hunting"!

Last weekend, a guy that hunts just a mile from my stand, shot a 200 inch bruiser, that had so much trash on his rack, he had 24 scoreable points. And he did so, mid-morning! I guess nobody told that deer of the rule!?!

Three seasons ago, I shot a very nice 139", main frame 10-pointer. That too was mid-morning, in October, well before any rut activity. I guess he just must have been mentally retarded!?!

Do big bucks feed and move more at night? Yes. But so do all deer! Catch those bruisers leaving or heading back to their bedding areas, and you will see one in the daylight. During the rut, you may see one all day. That is true. But these big bucks are not solely nocturnal, they're just much better at hiding, until the testosterone takes over, than most younger deer.





that is because the rut was not on if you do not think or know that the big domanet bucks turn nocternal when the rut is on and gun season is open you do not know much about deer hunting, sure you can kill one but you have to get out and hunt him like you are hunting rabbits.

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Holy cow skip... it would appear that you are on a completely different page than everyone else on this post. Are you saying that the big bucks go nocturnal during the rut and gun season??? Because I'm pretty sure everyone else is saying that they are nocturnal by nature, and the rut makes them love crazy and you can find them out chasing tail any hour of the day.

I would agree with everyone else, only I don't think they are exclusively nocturnal, outside of the rut.

But again, if you read the very first post in this thread, I opened the "coffee shop" for discussion and spirited debate... not insulting one another!

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John I think you have got a point.Majority of the bucks I got mounted on my wall (6 total)I killed due to something or somebody breaking there pattern.One was spooked by other hunters,3 were chasing does,1 was late gettin back to bed and one was feeding. David you have got a point to them mature bucks will move some during the day but it will be in big timber or thick cover.Thats were good scouting pays off.

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Originally posted by Jackson87
John I think you have got a point.Majority of the bucks I got mounted on my wall (6 total)I killed due to something or somebody breaking there pattern.One was spooked by other hunters,3 were chasing does,1 was late gettin back to bed and one was feeding. David you have got a point to them mature bucks will move some during the day but it will be in big timber or thick cover.Thats were good scouting pays off.

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The one who was late to bed was at 10:45 in the morning.He was in a hurry to get to the thicket I was watching.Could have been his usual time but judging by his fast paced gate he was out of place.The last buck I killed I was on stand between a bedding area and a picked cornfeild.Both those bucks were just doing there thing as far as I know.The rest were off there patterns.

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But again, if you read the very first post in this thread, I opened the "coffee shop" for discussion and spirited debate... not insulting one another!

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I just wouldn't assume someone didn't know much, simply because they had a different perspective. Especially on a topic like this, that can't be prove one way or the other.

But don't worry, you didn't offend me. Heck, if I offended easily, I wouldn't be Joe's friend!

Sorry Joe, that one just seemed to easy to pass up!

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Originally posted by deschmidt27
I just wouldn't assume someone didn't know much, simply because they had a different perspective. Especially on a topic like this, that can't be prove one way or the other.

But don't worry, you didn't offend me. Heck, if I offended easily, I wouldn't be Joe's friend!

Sorry Joe, that one just seemed to easy to pass up!

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Dang Skip sounds like you should have your own deer hunting show.lol.My biggest buck is 159 so my opinion ant worth much.All hunters are differant.Back to the question does hounds effect deer movement?I think the smell of dogs and humans tromping around is what will effect the bucks not so much the sight.

Now that I agree with! It's probably not the barking and hounds that could cause a stir. Again, I'm not saying they're going to blow out of the woods... just disrupt their pattern a bit, if/when they do have a pattern.

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Originally posted by Jackson87
Dang Skip sounds like you should have your own deer hunting show.lol.My biggest buck is 159 so my opinion ant worth much.All hunters are differant.Back to the question does hounds effect deer movement?I think the smell of dogs and humans tromping around is what will effect the bucks not so much the sight.

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Skip Hartline
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CELL 219-898-5725


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PR Van Dusen's Hanna o/h
NTCH PR Buck Brush Little Maggie o/h
NTCH PR Buck Brush Little Mickey o/h
PR Buck Brush Copper o/h
D NTCH PR Crooked Oak Boss o/h
D NtCH PR Alford's Alibi h
NTCH PR Alford's Hatchet h
NT CH PR Mill's Dotty h

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Originally posted by Jackson87
Dang Skip sounds like you should have your own deer hunting show.lol.My biggest buck is 159 so my opinion ant worth much.All hunters are differant.Back to the question does hounds effect deer movement?I think the smell of dogs and humans tromping around is what will effect the bucks not so much the sight.

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Animals aren't that smart ... they don't understand what hunting pressure is and to move away from a honey hole ... they aren't wired liked that.

If so ... rabbits would migrate away from coyotes instead of raising in the same holes generation after generation.

Look at the Nature shows where something like a fox chases a rat or rabbit and the prey wins and makes it to safety ... he is right back out in a few hours going about his business .. not moving out of the country.

It's the same thing we do when justifying why some dogs face bark or whatever ... we always wanna put ourselves in the animals place ... but that's what the antis do .... you can't put human qualities into an animal .


Deer make adjustments for each situation because of instinct , not intellect .. they don't take it beyond that and think of the future and how to protect themselves or if they should move.

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Originally posted by Larry Atherton
I have to respectfully disagree. If the smell of dogs and us at night time affected dogs, you would not see the results that the South Carolina study shows. I also don't believe human smell alerts deer as much as some believe I believe it is a combination of stimulus from poor hunters.

If human smells alerted deer, then why do many big bucks frequent people's front yards during the rut?

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That's awesome Skip.Glad your son got to kill a giant.Larry all bucks BIG and small throw caution out the window when the rut is on.Thats why they will run right threw traffic at mid day rush and break through windows and run through schools.Mature deer are super smart due to the amount of hunters they have come across in there lifetime.They rely on there sences 24/7 to keep them out of harms way.City deer are adjusted to city people.Jmo

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Ok that topic may have ran it's course... here's a new one.

Was in a hunt last night, with my female, who at times, jacks the tree a bit. I hate that, and thought I had her broke, but nonetheless... when she jacks, she does some jumping, but at least she doesn't move around. She picks a spot and pretty much stays there.

At the first tree, we heard some face barking and when we got in there, the judge's dog was taking exception to my female's jumping. Again, I don't like this about here either, but she was in one spot. She was jumping on the tree, barking every breath and this other dog, apparently wanted the same spot, so she was blowing, and just as the judge grabbed her, she even climbed up on my females back. Nothing too out of control, and my female never seemed to mind, so I didn't complain, at that tree.

Now when we got back at the club, another cast member described what we saw, also not to complain but to explain that his dog had apparently gotten over being shy at the tree, because he had put up with that scene! And one of the old timers said, "jacking a tree??? Well just keep bringing her to these hunts son, and these dogs will break her of that s**t! And several others laughed, and said sure enough!

I kept my mouth shut, but was thinking several things... one, this isn't my first rodeo! Two, I too don't like a dog to jack a tree and if she ran the whole tree, I'd be a lot more concerned. But three, I'm not so sure I would be more proud of a dog willing to get rough with another dog, than a dog that likes to jump in one place!

What's everyone else's thoughts? Again, I don't like it and will continue to try and break her of it. But should we be more accepting of a dog willing to "put her in her place" than her jacking a tree?

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Not sure why but some comp hunters have that attitude.They will say Ol Pete won't start a fight but he sure knows how to finish one, and then they will laugh.I loose a lot of respect for any man hunting a ill dog.To me a tree jacker is tolerable as long as there not a bully.A lot of guys are proud of there aggresive dog.

I agree with that... I fully expected people to be put out by that other dog's behavior and was surprised, when it was my dog's jumping that they were upset about!

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tree jacker

Ya know, it is a tough call. Who knows what happens at the tree. In my country - all hillsides - most dogs will pick the same choice spot on a tree. They typically all will be found treeing on the uphill side of the tree - it is simply more comfortable than having their ass down hill while trying to look up. I suppose a dog jacking a tree is a bit uncomfortable - I guess it would feel like someone doing a belly flop on you over and over. Would I prefer my dog to back up six feet and sit down and tree behind the tree jacker? You bet. However, we are talking about dogs here. Most of them these days are pretty intense tree dogs and want a place at the tree. Many a non-aggressive dog will stand shoulder to shoulder with dogs on each side of it and get along, but won't put up with a dog continuously landing on it. We are talking about dogs wanting to comfortably do what they are trained to do. That said, I have a dog that will jack a tree, one that will take a back seat at a tree, and one that will stand shoulder to shoulder with other well behaved dogs but might not be so well behaved with one that is not. I would lean towards not having a tree jacker in the hunt - which I know is your goal - it will just cause problems with dogs that would otherwise behave fine, and it will cause problems for everyone.

Lyme disease

Lyme disease
A number of years ago, I vaccinated a dog for Lyme. Had to give two doses a number of weeks apart since it was the first series. The next year, the vet said I should double vaccinate again with a "better" vaccine. Well, at the time, I said the heck with vaccinating as I wasn't sure they were having much success with the Lyme vaccines. Plus, I try to keep Frontline or its equivalent on my dogs to keep the ticks off them. They certainly pick up some ticks on occasion if I forget to re-apply right on time. I really haven't had a problem with lyme in my hounds, but I know it isn't uncommon. I guess my question is, how much success are you all having with the lyme vaccination these days? Has it proven itself to be effective? Thanks

Well, it's hard to tell, because there's no way of knowing what would have happened without it. Sort of like the stimulus and whether the economy would have been worst without it!

But I can say this, three Summers back, Boom came down with lyme disease. It was a bad Summer for ticks, in fact I even got it, and had to be treated too! After we treated him for the disease and the damage to his liver, we had him vaccinated. And I had Color vaccinated as well. I have not had any issues since then, but I also don't think the ticks have been as bad. I also never had any problems before then. So again, it's hard to say if it's working or if they haven't encountered ticks with the disease, or if the prevention I've been using has kept all the ticks away!

If I remember correctly it wasn't too pricey, so I'll probably keep it up, just in case. Which reminds me... I probably need to take all my dogs in, and have their boosters!

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David Schmidt
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Btt. Why is breeding coondogs so dang exspensive?It feels like one huge money pit.