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I agree about checking the standard, however if you want to have a conversation with an exhibitor or exhibitor if you want to have a conversation with the judge, please do it once the judge is out of the ring. Remember, there are others waiting to be judged, the Event Chair is on pins and needles that the show run smooth and not go to 10 pm at night. I can hear you say, "but it is only a few minutes" yep but multiply that by the number of dogs, waiting for someone to get to the ring, wait while a oop's is cleaned up in the ring etc and that few minutes can throw an entire show off schedule.

Then people will leave, tell the show committee they won't come back because the show ran long, the show committee will say "While we really liked XYZ judge, they were so slow we can't afford to have them back.

I have and will continue to walk up to a judge who is "talking to much in the ring" or is just very slow in making a selection (ie having the exhibitors go round and round and checking each dog two or three times )and tell them Judge more talk less or speed up.

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Kathleen Chance

I agree about checking the standard, however if you want to have a conversation with an exhibitor or exhibitor if you want to have a conversation with the judge, please do it once the judge is out of the ring. Remember, there are others waiting to be judged, the Event Chair is on pins and needles that the show run smooth and not go to 10 pm at night. I can hear you say, "but it is only a few minutes" yep but multiply that by the number of dogs, waiting for someone to get to the ring, wait while a oop's is cleaned up in the ring etc and that few minutes can throw an entire show off schedule.

Then people will leave, tell the show committee they won't come back because the show ran long, the show committee will say "While we really liked XYZ judge, they were so slow we can't afford to have them back.

I have and will continue to walk up to a judge who is "talking to much in the ring" or is just very slow in making a selection (ie having the exhibitors go round and round and checking each dog two or three times )and tell them Judge more talk less or speed up.

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Kathleen Chance

Poodle "correct" movement essential

Dear Judge.

Please learn what Sickle Hock means.
And understand that a Poodle that can't fully extend their rear legs in the trot, has a "serious" structural faultÉ and can not perform well.
(no matter how well groomed and how well they "stack").

Tail carriage É yes "up" is preferred but not a structural fault if carried lowÉ as this is a behaviour..

HOWEVERÉ a gay tail is a structural fault and according to the breed standard
"Serious Faults: tail curled or carried over the back"
(No matter how well groomed)

SHOULDERSÉ wow this is mentioned 3x within our breed standard..
Serious Fault: Upright shoulders.
(no matter how well groomed)

my .02

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pacing

Hi, Kathleen,
I'm not suggesting at all that a judge re-gait a dog multiple times. That would be just way too much time taken, of course. I am asking that if a Chinook (or any other dog, for that matter) exhibits at a pace, please ask the dog to be re-gaited with telling the handler that his/her dog is pacing. If the dog isn't re-gaited properly, at least he/she was given a chance to show the correct movement. Perhaps asking for a judge to give a suggestion for correction, if appropriate, would be asking too much. But I've seen many dogs (my own included) re-gaited for various reasons, and often a judge will say something helpful to the exhibitor. I know very well that show chairs are concerned about time, and there are large UKC shows that really must adhere to a closer kept schedule. But most of the shows I attend are not being pushed along so fast that a few moments here or there will detract from the show. I realize those moments could add up, but an experienced judge and one with an innate sense of time can quickly re-gait a dog with a few helpful words and move on. Then the handler KNOWS what the problem is and can address it later. Off gaiting is one of the very few things that can be easily corrected in the ring, giving the dog a chance to be seen correctly moving. And movement for a sled dog is of utmost importance.
I seem to be making more of an issue about pacing than I intended. It's not an overwhelming problem, but sure can put a dog out of contention in my breed. And it's a problem that most handlers of dogs that do pace don't have a clue!
I am so thankful my breed has been in UKC for a couple of decades now. UKC judges take the time to support handlers, especially those new to showing, take the time to check standards, and take the time to examine the dogs.

Diana Fowler
Southwind Chinooks

Re: pacing

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Originally posted by Diana C. Fowler
Hi, Kathleen,
... re-gaited for various reasons, and often a judge will say something helpful to the exhibitor. I know very well that show chairs are concerned about time, and there are large UKC shows that really must adhere to a closer kept schedule. But most of the shows I attend are not being pushed along so fast that a few moments here or there will detract from the show. I realize those moments could add up, but an experienced judge and one with an innate sense of time can quickly re-gait a dog with a few helpful words and move on. Then the handler KNOWS what the problem is and can address it later. Off gaiting is one of the very few things that can be easily corrected in the ring, giving the dog a chance to be seen correctly moving. And movement for a sled dog is of utmost importance.
I seem to be making more of an issue about pacing than I intended. It's not an overwhelming problem, but sure can put a dog out of contention in my breed. And it's a problem that most handlers of dogs that do pace don't have a clue!
I am so thankful my breed has been in UKC for a couple of decades now. UKC judges take the time to support handlers, especially those new to showing, take the time to check standards, and take the time to examine the dogs.

Diana Fowler
Southwind Chinooks

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Kathleen Chance

Dear Judge

Please research the old German Shepherd Dog Breed Standard...prior to the American interpretation of the breed standard starting in the mid 60s...
Our dogs should not be overly long in the loin (too downward angulated), down in the pasterns; and almost striding on the their hocks!
This drastically extreme over-angulation does affect movement and working ability.

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'No good dog is a bad color'-Max Von Stephanitz-GSD Breed Founder

Dear Judge,
When judging TREEING WALKER COONHOUNDS, do not award no angulated, shy tempermented, flashy colored, box headed dogs who stand like statues. These are not post legged FOXHOUNDS. These are not long eared leggy BLOODHOUNDS. These are not roach backed racy Whippets... This is not a head, ear, feet and color breed. These are hunting dogs. Just because a dog has scars, or its coat has a little staining, or it doesn't stand like a post - doesn't make it any less worthy of a win.

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Cassandra Davis
UKC Bench Show Judge & Master of Hounds

REDWOOD'S TREEING WALKER COONHOUNDS
& LOUISIANA CATAHOULA LEOPARD DOGS
http://www.RedwoodCoonhounds.net/

NITECH CGRCH FCH GRCH 'PR' Redwood's All Night Aspen
(2014 #1 UKC Top Ten All-Breed Conformation Treeing Walker)
NITECH CCH GRFCH GRWCH GRCH 'PR' Redwood's Wild Gamble

Dear Judge

Dogue De Bordeauxs don't have a fancy prance,their head drops down a little and they have a slight incline towards the front when the move ,straight topline not sway back, They are not supposed to look or breath like an over grown bulldog or have a round Bull Mastiff head,They do have a shorter muzzle that makes them breath louder but Extremely short muzzles are not doing them any favors, All other things being equal, the larger dog should be given preference over the smaller.

Discussions of Breed type

I understand the frustration of being evaluated by judges who know the standard for the breed, but do not necessarily know type. Because so many of the breeds do not have a parent club, I would like to see breeders/exhibitors in such breeds discuss the essentials of breed type for your breed. What are the top ten characteristics that define your breed?

There have been some breed clubs that have distributed a credit card size, laminated card that lists the essentials of type. These are sure handy for the week before study that a judge does before an assignment.

If you feel your breed too often gets a generic dog exam, then it is time to start educating judges. Contact other breeder/exhibitors around the country and start a discussion on this forum.
John Davidson

The flipside to Clubs doing Judges education is that Judges need to attend! Last year the Blackhawk Labrador Retriever presented a Judges seminar at Gateway. We spent the prior months planning, editing, copying, coordinating handlers and dogs and planning for a very special presentation. We all met at Gateway and were very excited to share the Labrador with all the Judges. We had handouts, a beautiful Power Point, live demos and an interactive quiz for our Judges. NOT ONE JUDGE ATTENDED.

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Originally posted by ellen
The flipside to Clubs doing Judges education is that Judges need to attend! Last year the Blackhawk Labrador Retriever presented a Judges seminar at Gateway. We spent the prior months planning, editing, copying, coordinating handlers and dogs and planning for a very special presentation. We all met at Gateway and were very excited to share the Labrador with all the Judges. We had handouts, a beautiful Power Point, live demos and an interactive quiz for our Judges. NOT ONE JUDGE ATTENDED.

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David Arthur
Aircastle Standard Poodles
http://aircastlekennels.com

Yes, I realize that there is a mandatory seminar. However, Tony IS the person that invited our Club to do this. We do not have any say on the place nor the time for Gateway. That is all UKC's planning. UKC determines the date and time.
I can tell you though, that our Club members were busy for months prior, collecting and verifying information, copying and assembling packets, arranging for and coordinating handlers to have dogs present and even moving Labradors to the beginning of the show order so that we were ready for this Seminar.
Weather Judges attend or not, it is a huge amount of work to get it ready. Our club members worked diligently and you can only imagine the disappointment when not one judge showed up.

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Ellen:

I can't imagine your disappointment! This may mean that anyone planning such a seminar insist on pre-registration in the future. Are all of your materials online, so that those of us who could not attend can view them?
John Davidson

Im glad the judge refers to the standard if they are not sure of something,but the one judge I had didn't read the whole sentence on the standard and faulted all the dogs because none of the toplines inclined(her words).. she only read 1/2 of it, She got as far as the topline inclines,now had she read the whole thing which was ( The topline inclines very slightly downward from well-developed withers to a broad, muscular back.) She would have seen all the dogs in the ring were correct. So please yes refer to the standards but read the entire sentence.

Reading the standard

Dear Judge,

As a new conformation exhibitor showing my first standard poodle, I would be delighted to see you pause to read the standards. When you place the class upside-down to the other judges that weekend, I have to wonder if you realize that tails curled over the back are to be penalized as a serious fault, or whether, perhaps, you're just looking for the clip most likely to pass muster in AKC.

To my fellow exhibitors, I can't tell you how much I have learned by volunteering as a table steward. The judges have uniformly been kind to the volunteers, and even have a moment or two to clear up a misunderstanding about the necessary paperwork and who gets what ribbon. Volunteering doesn't earn you anything in the ring, of course, but the more I understand, the more I appreciate that the judge's job is very hard to do well, and probably impossible to do perfectly.

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Marguerite Plank
UKC Rally Judge (Provisional) #7117
Gettysburg, PA
URX3 UROG UCD Devlin, 2011 & 2012 Rally All Star, Level 2 and Level 3 (rescued Rat Terrier)
URO1 Bridget (rescued Rat Terrier)
Standard Poodle UCD CH UROC Piccolo's Niall Delaney, CGC, BN, CD-CCH, CDX-C, RLP, AOE-L1, AOE-L2, RL3, RE, ARCH [UKC Group 1][UKC Rally HIT x4]

RR

Dear Judge, when considering Rhodesian Ridgebacks, please pay more attention to judging the DOG; breed type, structure, soundness. Yes, the ridge is the hallmark of the breed, but in the end it's just cosmetic. The Ridgeback should be a working dog; that means it should be able to move correctly, soundly, and efficiently. If the only thing you feel confident about in my breed is the ridge then please forego the assignment.

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Eileen M. Bailey
Symetri Ridgebacks, reg.
Breeding quality with integrity since 1987
www.symetri.net

BREEDER/OWNER OF:
BIMBS U-GrCh, Am/Can CH Symetri Easy On The Heart, JC, BN, CGC, TT, HIC
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BIMBS U-GrCh, GCH Symetri Vikela Mischief Manged, JC, HIC (AKC Top 10)
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