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Hound Prices

I’ll start off by saying I don’t think hounds are being priced too high. Somethings value is determined by what others are willing to pay for it and with the amount of money up for grabs in todays game a good hound is worth some money. But I am curious what people think a fair value is for some dogs.

A.) A well bred pup out of a know winner/reproducer.
B.) Lightly started 1 year old that is putting it together.
C.) A high quality 2 year old. All the tools to win big now. Performanced and SS ready to go.

A. $500
B. $1500
C. $4000

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A. $800-$1,500
B. $2,000-$4,000
C. $5,000-$50,000

They are hunting for $100,000 in $KC this weekend. The opportunity to win big money is the driver of the prices in my opinion. A dog can win 1/4 of a million in a year if it has enough money behind it...

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Less than 1/2 a percent .049 will ever win back enough to cover all the overhead.
If winning to gain is the motivator of dog prices being high then the math needs to be considered.

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Originally posted by A House Cat
Less than 1/2 a percent .049 will ever win back enough to cover all the overhead.
If winning to gain is the motivator of dog prices being high then the math needs to be considered.

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I am part of a dying breed. I am strictly a pleasure hunter. I won't spend $4000.00 on a broke 2 year old. I don't plan on winning TOC for $50,000.00.
Does anyone breed for pleasure dogs these days?


My intent is not to bad mouth the competition hunters. If not for the competition hunters coon hunting might be just about extinct. The young guys like it so more power too them. Just not my thing.


To me it sounds a bit like a pyramid skeem. A few people make money but most just support the few. Kinda like the horse business.....


For self satisfaction I like to say I break even but I know better.

Taking a grand kid hunting just nothing quite like it. Can never measure the true value in that one.

1. $1000/4000
2. Depending on bloodline $5000/$10,000
3. Depending on bloodline and wins already achieved $10,000/$50,000
Unless you have raised one from the tit and took it to the highest level you can not even start to think about the work it takes to get there...

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Originally posted by ole hoss
1. $1000/4000
2. Depending on bloodline $5000/$10,000
3. Depending on bloodline and wins already achieved $10,000/$50,000
Unless you have raised one from the tit and took it to the highest level you can not even start to think about the work it takes to get there...

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Originally posted by perry
I am part of a dying breed. I am strictly a pleasure hunter. I won't spend $4000.00 on a broke 2 year old. I don't plan on winning TOC for $50,000.00.
Does anyone breed for pleasure dogs these days?

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it cost the same at the Vet Office to put a $200.00 pup down as a $1,200.00 one. The difference is the $1,000.00 you spent on a Gamble.

Been in this game a long time, paid good money on "well bred, all Grand" pups only to dig a hole.

Yes there's more money to be won with a whole lot of big "IF's" in the mix. My Uncle is into breeding Race Horses and running them at different tracks and there isn't much difference when it comes to getting in the "winners circle". Lots of training, feed, travel and handlers.

With that being said, What would you pay for a pup out of the UKC World Hunt Champion male and the UKC World Hunt Champion female? Same breed different year because I believe there is only ONE World Hunt Champion each year. Me personally? You couldn't give me one because that type of dog isn't my style I like to hunt.

So back to the first post:
A) $300.00
B) $600.00
c) I past.

Just remember, buying a $7,500.00 golf club doesn't make you Tiger Woods!!

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The idea that they can't be one in the same is a myth.

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Finding a top end 2 yr old is like finding a needle in a haystack who's selling them for 4000.00 because you could sell a bunch for that price As far a pleasure and country coon dawgs winning the good ones that are competitive and accurate and independent will win and finally it's the common junk that's way overpriced. Like Tyler posted the good ones can compete for alot of money

I've not been around enough different hounds across the country to really know, but from what I've seen......

The chances of a puppy (A or B in the scenario) finishing out to a very nice complete hound with no holes in it are pretty slim. If there were crosses producing large percentages of nice finished hounds... I suspect we'd be seeing more three and four time crosses... yet we rarely see a cross made more than once.

The odds of a pup turning into a hound that:
- stays healthy and alive,
- has sense around the house and is an easy keeper
- is not aggressive to other hounds
- almost always turns down trash
- ranges out and hunts hard- has good sense where to find a track
- can run a track under most conditions
- can finish tracks consistently and accurately
- trees hard and stays treed..
- minds well
- looks good
..... the odds of all those coming true aren't great... maybe 5-8 of those things will come true... but all 10 of them?

So to me a well bread pup, or started 1 year old... it's still a long shot to me it turns into all ten of those things.... so I'm not interested in paying more than $200 - $500 for a pup, regardless how it's bred is too much. It's a gamble that it will turn out, and a pretty big gamble at that... especially when you factor in the time and money you have to put into training it.

That said, dog (C) in the scenario- easily worth $2000 - $5000 in my book.

I used to scratch my head wondering why coonhound pups are so cheap compared to say a lab that doesn't hunt, or a designer lap dog??? But really it comes down to the gamble... the dog bought to be a lap dog- or a pet to bark at strangers and ride around in the truck... those pups are almost 100% guaranteed to turn into what the owner wanted them to. A coonhound pup... we have HIGH expectations- no other sporting dog is expected to turn into as much as a coondog... it's a gamble for sure. Show me the odds are really really good, almost guaranteed they turn into stylish 10/10 on that list and I"d think they are worth much more.

I feel pups are getting over priced- but good finished dogs are under-priced.

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I've paid lots of money for hounds that just didn't work out, and I've had some pretty cheap hounds go consistently to the winners circle. I gave $300 for my old Rebel Pride dog in....89 I think it was, and only lost 3 casts with him. I think he had 27 or 28 place wins if I remember correctly. Looser I bought in. .05 I believe it was for $1100 as a ntchgrch with 2 wins towards grntch. In 07 he was a world hunt finalist and a duel grch. We did ok at AO that same year. I still have a bloodlines copy of that scorecard. I'd give 10x that for another just like him too.

My point here is that there's always a bargain somewhere if you can identify it and put in the time to fine tune it. Loose and I hunted 350+ nights a year for 4 years before I lost him. There's more to winning than just buying a dog.

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Great Pleasure dogs and competition dogs can be one in the same but to think all great competition dogs are all a Pleasure is a joke and all great Pleasure dogs certainly don't cut it as competition dogs. To think they are always the same is like living in fantasy land.

The price of pups and dogs is only a reflection of what the seller and buyer value them at.

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Originally posted by pamjohnson
Great Pleasure dogs and competition dogs can be one in the same but to think all great competition dogs are all a Pleasure is a joke and all great Pleasure dogs certainly don't cut it as competition dogs. To think they are always the same is like living in fantasy land.

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$700 Plus
$4000 Plus
$6500 Plus. No doubt Many folks never raised a litter of pups or Ever Started A Young Dog. I honestly feel the $ value I have given for second and third questions are Low considering The value A Dollar and hey folks let’s face it EVERYTHING IS HIGH THESE DAYS. The value of anything is really Between What a Seller is willing to part with it and What a Buyer is willing to pay

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Originally posted by pamjohnson
Great Pleasure dogs and competition dogs can be one in the same but to think all great competition dogs are all a Pleasure is a joke and all great Pleasure dogs certainly don't cut it as competition dogs. To think they are always the same is like living in fantasy land.

The price of pups and dogs is only a reflection of what the seller and buyer value them at.

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1. weanling pup off a good reproducing line should bring $800-1200 - I don't raise pups and I won't.. Too much work

2. Get the stupid hunted out of one, get him to load, lead, ride in the box, handle and be a quick opening, open mouth trailing, hard tree dog.. Shoot you've got 3K in work and time in him.. $5K or better is what they are worth

3. Bell ringer at two years old without big holes? $20K wouldn't buy him at my house..

And I'm a dadgum pleasure hunter...

My opinion anyway..

Dog Prices

Well I have heard that 3-4 hounds in the last few years that sold for six figures. That’s what people have told me and I wasn’t there to see the check written. One of them that I heard sold for that much won it all back in one hunt last night.

What makes a hound special or “elite “ isn’t defined by one specific style. And I firmly believe you can get “elite” to peek but you can’t keep them there long. The thing that separates them from normal is speed. The dog that won last night I’ve never hunted with but a good friend of mine has and watched him on the garmin about a year ago. Said he was accurate could care less what another hound was doing and cut off a tree as hard as he hunted out of the truck. Said he moved around 20mph through the woods.

A hound with quality traits is not hard to find. But one with all that wrapped over one hide is. In todays market I would say world class is worth 20-50k and and the “elite” are priceless.

Sounds like $1-200,000 is too cheap for some of these hounds.

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As a buyer. You determine the price of what you want to spend chasing a dream. Your looking for potential and that potential your paying for only works out with hard work and determination by you.

I hate to see these high prices placed on pups and started dogs. The reason is, most will be culls that are not culled. Only sold to get back some of the money lost on a worthless dog. How long can any breed survive or breeding program survive. If the breeding stock becomes dogs that won't tree a coon or are aggressive, won't hunt, sorry mouth. Oh yea. We breed sorry females to world champs. That only pushes the problems down the line to the next generation.

I just spent more money for a pup than I have in over 50 years of owning hounds. But as a buyer is was what I wanted. Once it gets hunted as a coonhunter it may not be what I want to hunt. That's not going to turn me into a breeder to get my money back. That's just going to test my ability as a responsible owner of a coonhound to do the right thing. I already have my escape plan. Dog being raised by my Grand Son and Great Grandaughter. It's a dud it gets spayed and visits the dog park and not the swamps. However if it resembles a coonhound at some point. It just brings generations of family closer together in the swamps.

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For those who think hound prices are too high, get out of your recliner, get a well bred pup and take it to the timber 6 nights a week for 3 months. Then tell me dogs are priced too high.

as someone else has said something is worth what someone is willing to pay, that being said a weined pup 300 to 500, after i will ask those who think hounds are over priced at started an finished, what would u charge per month to hunt a pup 3 to 4 nights a week for a month? 1000 bucks is cheap for a pup that is tone broke that is running an treeing hot tracks, people have to take resposibility for there part once they buy a started dog or finished dog , if your only hunting once a week or once everyother week dont blame the dog or the person u bought it from, ive worked with pointers, labs , stock dogs, an guard dogs, along with hounds an i have to say that of the 5 coonhunters want more for less than any breed ive worked with, an thats fine but understand when you cant find a hound worth a flip its because there was no money in it for the ones doing 90% of the work.

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