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Is it possible for a coon hound to be to cold nosed?

Think about it a bit!

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Dan

This might be a Jerry Clower story, I really don't remember if it is or not. Some parts I may have added over the years!

Anyway a couple guys go out hunting. The old man has an old, old Bluetick dog he called Tracker that was as cold-nosed as a dog could get. The night was crisp and the frost was just starting to form when they cut Tracker loose across a cut hay field. Tracker strikes, wallers the track for a bit, and finally locates and trees right in the middle of that field.

The young guy can't see a tree anywhere near where old Tracker is treeing. "I think Tracker's lost it a little, Gramps. There's not even a tree anywhere near him!" he says to the old man.

"Son," the old man spryly replies, "old Tracker's got the best nose on this side of the Mississippi! Right where he's treeing is where a huge Oak den tree stood that was the home place of generations of coons."

"How long has that tree been gone?" the young man sheepishly asked.

"Why, if I'm a recollecting right, that Oak den was hit by lightening and burned down right around 25 year ago!"

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Paul Frederick
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If they have more nose than brains, then they are too cold nosed. It is kinda like having more hunt than mouth.

It sure can make for a long night when they have more nose than brain

Dogs

It's real possible that they are just poor track dogs and don't have the brains to figure it out just as Mr Lambert posted when I hear about a cold nosed dog I figure many of them are common a true cold nosed dog should be able to strike,track and locate and tree a raccoon that a hot or medium nosed dog can't and this is pretty rare

Why are you hunting??

If you are hunting for a score card and only got 1 hour, If the dust has settled behind the raccoon's tail and your dog takes that track, it's to cold nose. Now you comp hunters can blow all the smoke you want about your cold nose dogs to some rookies on here, but save it if you are talking to me.

As Richard said in his post, BRAINS is the secret!! It's like having the BEST firearm but not knowing how to shoot, you will probably not hit the bulls eye to many times as if you where a good marksperson. The same is true with hounds. Speed, nose and conformation on a dumb hound is useless.

As far as "to much" nose? Here where I hunt and when I hunt and for why I hunt, they can not have to cold of a nose. Frozen bare ground, snow ice and frosty nights. Getting out hours after they have been moving are some of the tracks I want them to take and tree. And they best be packing and the best be singing.

Just remember, hunt what makes you happy for the reason "why" you hunt.

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OLD TIMER

Cold Nosed

I agree with what others have said. You cant get too good of a nose, but you must have intelligence and the desire to catch the game along with it.
Dont confuse dogs that are slow trailers with cold nosed dogs.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
If they have more nose than brains, then they are too cold nosed. It is kinda like having more hunt than mouth.

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Paul Frederick
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Originally posted by Paul Frederick
I don't know about dogs, but I've met several coonhunters that had more mouth than brains!

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

I don't think we know how cold-nosed a dog is. I have 2 females right now that are full sisters. One is 2 and the other is 5. When the 5 year old was younger I would get aggravated because sometimes she would stop and stay in the same vicinity for a few minutes. After a while she would start to move out seemingly silent trailing. She'll go on and tree a coon. The 2-year-old does the same thing except she barks and doesn't stop barking until she trees. I think they have about the same nose. When others hunt with me they say the 2 year old is a lot colder nosed dog than the older one because she always strike first.

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Donald Bergeron

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Hounds are a lot like some guys. They can look at the same pretty girl and some will drool and start talking long before they get close and others will just walk over and introduce themselves. Both will end up where they want to be, some just have move brains on how to do it.

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OLD TIMER

That fa sho don't sound like something an "old timer" should be thinking about when we're talking dogs. LOL

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Donald Bergeron

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Originally posted by shadinc
That fa sho don't sound like something an "old timer" should be thinking about when we're talking dogs. LOL

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

I’ve seen dogs that could make a hot track look like they were running an old cold feeder track.

I’ve not seen many that can make a cold feeder track look like a hot one. I think many people believe a dog that stands on its head boo-hooing all over the place is a cold nosed dog.

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Dan

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DL NH
[B]I’ve seen dogs that could make a hot track look like they were running an old cold feeder track.



I’ve seen that too…a dog working hard with his nose down…working a straight line track that was a few minutes old…I just wonder who’s breeding that type of dog…

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Training dogs is not so much about quantity, it's more about timing, and the right situations...After that it's up to the dog....A hunting dog is born...

I don't know... and this is pure speculation... but I suspect dogs are not hotter or colder nosed in general than one another. I suspect some dogs prefer to work certain types of tracks, or have brains to know when to work older tracks.

I think if you have a dog that night after night is always working "cold" tracks.... you just may have a crappy track dog.

There seems to be NO WAY a "cold nosed" dog would not be able to smell hot tracks. So even a cold nosed dog should be running across it's fair share of hot tracks. So I think a dog with brains and skills to work any kind of track- and to know which nights to run which one... will tree coon consistently- I don't know if it's because it has a colder nose, I think it's just smarter.

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Cold nosed dogs

Lol. I think it's safe to say that a dog with a cold nose can RUN, NOT just trail a track that most dogs can not even smell. Once you have seen a true cold nosed dog operate, you will NEVER have to ask what a cold nosed dog is. Like some of the posters have suggested, you will not see a bunch of these cold nosed dogs around, but they do happen from time to time. For me, the true test of a cold nosed dog is a dog that runs a cold track that the other dogs can not smell and trees the coon. Boobooing around on a track proves nothing, those of us who have owned or seen a true cold nosed dog know exactly what a cold nosed dog is and what they are not. I have seen more than my fair share of dogs in my 72 years, hut only a handful of dogs that were cold nosed track running tree with the meat coon dogs. I would give a hefty sum for one like that if anyone has or knows where one is that can be bought. Dave. P.S. My guess is to look at the bug game hunters that are used to cold trailing dogs, especially look hunters to find cold nosed dogs that run a cold track to catch and ask them if a dog can have to cold a nose. They want dogs that produce game and are not worried about a scorecard. Dave

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The question was can a Hound have to cold of a nose? The question is. For me or for the hound. Too cold a nose for me is when the Hound cannot finish a track it starts. And it continually starts those tracks. That nose combined with other things. i.e. ability/brains is what separates things. Nothing wrong with giving a young cold nosed dog some time to gain experience and figure things out. Even if it looks stupid doing it. But a few months goes by fast and is a lot of experience. If you have the same results with no improvement. Then it is on the owner to step in.

Too cold of a nose on a hound only becomes a problem when the owner does not do the responsible thing.

I have seen many a coon treed, that if the cold nose dog had not of worked that track. The medium nosed dog would never have messed with it. Unfortunately in this game the way it is played today, medium or hot nosed dog gets the credit and a quick call for first tree.

You truly hunt with a good track dog and it gives you a totally different outlook on how these coon move and travel around. Including how far they can travel. Especially during the rut.

That genetic trait is leaving the coonhound world because it does not equate to or add up to trophies on the shelf and money in the pockets after a money hunt.

There are good track dogs found in all breeds, but the genetic stability of them get weakened in cross after cross.

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Cold Nosed??

I've seen this question so many times. Everyone seems to have their own opinion and probably most are right even if they differ in opinions. An old coon hunter once told me something that has stuck with me and I find it to be true the more I hunt and the older I get. He said that all dogs can pretty much smell the same track but some dogs are just more excitable with the weaker scent than others. Some prefer to open on a weak or faint scent and some will either trail it up for a ways before they open or just pass it up. I've had both kinds, maybe I should say "all kinds" and the main factor in all of this is BRAINS! Some dogs are good at what they do, be it working and older track up and treeing it or trailing it till they want to open and treeing it. The ones that can't do either without standing on their heads are the ones that won't be here long. It's kinda like the age old question about a silent dog, why doesn't it open on trail, how fast can it run a track, is it hot or cold nosed???? Some things are hard to figure out but fun to talk about.

My brother has a dog that can move tracks at a good pace any time he starts one but he is what he calls a warm nosed dog. Now when he takes the dog with other hounds it will run any coon track another dog wants to run. If they can't move the track well then his dog will try to work it out just the same. It's just not a track that his dog would have picked up on had he took the dog by himself.

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Originally posted by Ron Moore
I've seen this question so many times. Everyone seems to have their own opinion and probably most are right even if they differ in opinions. An old coon hunter once told me something that has stuck with me and I find it to be true the more I hunt and the older I get. He said that all dogs can pretty much smell the same track but some dogs are just more excitable with the weaker scent than others. Some prefer to open on a weak or faint scent and some will either trail it up for a ways before they open or just pass it up. I've had both kinds, maybe I should say "all kinds" and the main factor in all of this is BRAINS! Some dogs are good at what they do, be it working and older track up and treeing it or trailing it till they want to open and treeing it. The ones that can't do either without standing on their heads are the ones that won't be here long. It's kinda like the age old question about a silent dog, why doesn't it open on trail, how fast can it run a track, is it hot or cold nosed???? Some things are hard to figure out but fun to talk about.

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Mr. Moore, I have heard kind of like you have. I heard all dogs smell the same. It is just the excitability level they have thats gets them to barking. I know these drug sniffing and search and rescue dogs are trained for certain scents. Durning training they are excited with generally a ball. We as hound hunters let ours excited themselves with the scent of a coon. Many a pack dog from days past excited one another. I have one dog here that will not babble. But hold him back a second two when the others are cast. You can get a bark or two out of him. Kind of why there is a rule to allow dogs some time before you have to strike them. All this equates to our dogs deep in the woods finding and working tracks. Some genetics just allow for more excitability from the scent. Most of that is getting bred away. The excitability is coming out in hard hunting till they find a track or babbling till they dog. Dog are just using what excites them in a different way. Some barking, some going hard and fast. Know what they will find.

Many years ago on the board it was discussed why they tree. Some had the notion that the tree stopped their forward progress, just like some fences do and dog pens do today. The frustration and excitability that they couldn't progress. Caused them to tree. I would give my opinion on that notion. But have seen it plenty and many of you see it today in your dog pens. Almost can hear your dogs barking now. LOL

Anyway. These dogs do all kinds of things for all kinds of reasons. Look in the mirror and you are the key to harnessing anything and everything your dog throws at you. The results are based upon your desire. Lots of poor results can equal poor judgment handling issues. Issues don't handle themselves. You do.

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Not sure they can be too cold nosed but they can sure be too slow footed!

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Tom Wood

Re: Is it possible for a coon hound to be to cold nosed?

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Originally posted by DL NH
Think about it a bit!

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Donald Bergeron

Re: Is it possible for a coon hound to be to cold nosed?

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Originally posted by DL NH
Think about it a bit!

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