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Posted by nitehunter2004 on 03-31-2019 09:28 PM:

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Dog coming in to closed tree after cast arrived, Shine time starts dog comes in But never checks tree, dog gos to the handler and he handles him, Question is his strike scored depending on how the tree is scored or is he minus for quitting track?

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Posted by tpettit on 03-31-2019 10:24 PM:

Minus strike for quitting track, if he never went to the tree.

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Posted by Bill(Chew) on 03-31-2019 10:31 PM:

The strike points are determined by the way the tree is scored. He is NOT minus for "QUITTING HIS TRACK" when coming into a closed tree.

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Posted by JiM on 03-31-2019 10:31 PM:

I think he is scored depending on how the tree is scored. He is not considered to have quit his track, he is handled at the tree and scored as such. Rule 5(b).

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Posted by nextcoonhunters on 03-31-2019 10:33 PM:

Judge

2 questions before I answer. Did the judge say to handle him? Was any other dogs at large?

Posted by nitehunter2004 on 03-31-2019 11:24 PM:

No dogs at large.
No he never asked if he could handle him.

Another Question,
Ch cast so let’s say there was a possum, he never showed treed just came to the handler an was handled is he scratched or minus for quitting track ?

Posted by yadkintar on 03-31-2019 11:57 PM:

How close was the handler to the tree ?

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Posted by nitehunter2004 on 04-01-2019 12:13 AM:

Apx 10/15 yards shining the tree, what is the distance that would change the call? The answer should be the same rather it was a possum, coon, cycle or slick, he either quit the track or it depends on how the tree is scored, how do you score it?

Posted by yadkintar on 04-01-2019 12:29 AM:

I thought we went over this awhile back even a ntch if he comes in after the judge gets there he gets a free pass unless there is a coon. Gets circled !!

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-01-2019 12:32 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by nitehunter2004
No dogs at large.
No he never asked if he could handle him.

Another Question,
Ch cast so let’s say there was a possum, he never showed treed just came to the handler an was handled is he scratched or minus for quitting track ?

Dog can come in and tree its guts out on off game after the cast is there and its strike will be circled. It can even come in and RIP it out of a log and fight it after the cast in in there and it's still not scratched.

And Jim is spot on. Had the same situation you first asked about. Cast was shining a tree standing way back in a field and my female came into the cast. I was judging and made the call to handle her as we needed to move spots. A dog cannot be minused for coming into the cast while scoring a tree unless they found a coon which they did not.

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Posted by nitehunter2004 on 04-01-2019 12:39 AM:

I agree, I throw the possum in just to see how the two handlers an the one that said minus on track would vote same if it was a possum.
Now I don’t like it, I think the dog quit his track an came in, I think he would had came in if we was at the truck and not the tree.

Posted by yadkintar on 04-01-2019 12:44 AM:

I agree anytime that dog comes in to a tree after the cast gets there he deserves a minus in my books but that's not the rules if a possum he should get what they get. But if he comes in you got to handle him.

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Posted by nitehunter2004 on 04-01-2019 12:54 AM:

It wasn’t mine, my 1 year old got 3rd strike 1st tree on 1st drop then she blows out cross a big Rd I withdrew, my nerves can’t handle hunting near them roads.

Posted by nextcoonhunters on 04-01-2019 02:16 AM:

I thought the judge had to tell you to handle your dog. At that point he could determine if the dog quit track or come in to the tree. And the way I've read the rules if a Ch is caught treeing off game regardless of what's been scored until the hunt time is up they are scratched.

Posted by Rip on 04-01-2019 02:22 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by nextcoonhunters
I thought the judge had to tell you to handle your dog. At that point he could determine if the dog quit track or come in to the tree. And the way I've read the rules if a Ch is caught treeing off game regardless of what's been scored until the hunt time is up they are scratched.

Nope, if he comes in to the tree after the cast arrives he is saved by the rules above.

Doesn't matter what happens, he can come in and blow the top out of a possum and he gets circled.

Only way he gets minused is if the coon is seen AND the dogs treeing are awarded plus points. If for some reason all were determined not to be showing treed and minused then he would STILL get circled since they were not awarded plus points on the coon LOL.

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Posted by erlandcooner on 04-01-2019 03:56 AM:

Rules question

I've been reading these questions and all of the responses. I haven't hunted a lot of UKC hunts for the last few years but if a dog comes into a handler at anytime if it isn't minused, then it should be. I haven't been up to date on the rules but surely somewhere in the rules they should be a common sense rule, and common sense tells me the dog quit its track. However this is only my opinion but we have way to many rules if that dog don't get minused.

Posted by nextcoonhunters on 04-01-2019 04:17 AM:

Scratch him

Better ask Allen but I'll bet he gets scratched

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-01-2019 04:18 AM:

Re: Rules question

quote:
Originally posted by erlandcooner
I've been reading these questions and all of the responses. I haven't hunted a lot of UKC hunts for the last few years but if a dog comes into a handler at anytime if it isn't minused, then it should be. I haven't been up to date on the rules but surely somewhere in the rules they should be a common sense rule, and common sense tells me the dog quit its track. However this is only my opinion but we have way to many rules if that dog don't get minused.

Look at is this way. If the dog or dogs treeing did their job and had a coon the dog coming into the cast or tree would in fact be minused assuming it was struck in. And let's be honest dogs coming into closed trees shouldn't be winning to many casts...

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-01-2019 04:23 AM:

Re: Scratch him

quote:
Originally posted by nextcoonhunters
Better ask Allen but I'll bet he gets scratched

Dont ever assume scratching unless you know 100% you are right. And in this case you aren't. You start scratching guys when the rule has in fact been stated on this very thread and to you I say good luck wherever you hunt and I hope you dont get handed the scorecard.

Posted by nextcoonhunters on 04-01-2019 05:33 AM:

If they come in

If they just come in and don't tree they are fine. But if they tree they are done. As long as it's still hunt time. The moment hunt time is up view can carry in a possum in. And I'm just going by what Allen told me 3 months back.

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-01-2019 05:46 AM:

Re: If they come in

quote:
Originally posted by nextcoonhunters
If they just come in and don't tree they are fine. But if they tree they are done. As long as it's still hunt time. The moment hunt time is up view can carry in a possum in. And I'm just going by what Allen told me 3 months back.

Posted by joey on 04-01-2019 07:10 AM:

Re: If they come in

quote:
Originally posted by nextcoonhunters
If they just come in and don't tree they are fine. But if they tree they are done. As long as it's still hunt time. The moment hunt time is up view can carry in a possum in. And I'm just going by what Allen told me 3 months back.

This has been gone over a thousand times. A dog coming into a off game tree after the judge arrives is safe. I'm afraid you misunderstood what Allen was telling you.

Tim, the dog is handled and scored according to the tree like others have stated. The reason UKC gives is a dog does not have to come in and actually tree to be handled. It simply has to come into the tree. All of the handlers are considered "at the tree" so if he comes up to one of them he has come into the tree. Did he quit his track? Ya but so did the dog that cover at 4:50 gone on the tree and so did the dog that cut across a field to another dog but they all get away with it according to the rules.

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Posted by tpettit on 04-01-2019 12:56 PM:

I said minus cause of rule 4, a. The exception to that rule is 5, b. But in this case, the dog did not in fact come into the tree but came into his handler and without being told to handle, the dog was handled. Jmo, and we all have one, based on the rule, the dog should be minuses for quitting his track. It would be different if the dog was handled on the tree.

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Posted by johnny reb on 04-01-2019 01:15 PM:

As has been mentioned a dog coming into a tree after everyone’s has arrived can not be scratched for off game. Now the way I read the post the guy wasn’t told to handle his dog so may be able to scratch him for handling his dog.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 04-01-2019 01:22 PM:

Tim, read the first 2 sentences of your original post. You say "comes in to" twice. The rule doesn't say anything about treeing, it just says comes in to. Whether you agree with it or not doesn't matter, you have to go by the rule.

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