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Tree Count Down Rule

Changing the tree point rule to a count down is just another thinly veiled attempt to legislate a completely independent style of coonhound. Some people like that style and so they think that everyone should hunt that style. There is nothing wrong with that style of hound if that is what you like. But there is also nothing wrong with the other style that will back another dog that trees first if that is what you like. There is room for both styles. We already have the 125 first tree rule to reward the dog that trees first.
If you like a certain style of dog, hunt that style. But don't try to make everyone hunt that style. What is next, a rule that says all coonhounds have to have a certain amount of white color? There is a great majority of hunters that like walker dogs. They have already changed the rules to allow registration of pups from half walker dog crosses. The next logical step will be to require all dogs to have a certain amount of walker blood. Since they are the majority, they can vote to do it.

Maybe you need to do an update on your strain so you can win you shouldn't expect everybody to compromise their breeding program or goals because you are satisfied with were you are at in your breeding program. I know you hunt in the $$$ hunts they hunt by the same rules we want go over there and gripe them out good I mean get ruff on them throw a fit !!!! For being a bad influence on us.




Burn their biscuits and scorch their gravy lol.


Tar

Tarbaby, if they want to burn their biscuits and scorch their gravy, that is fine with me as long as I don't have to eat it. Just don't try to make me eat your burnt biscuits. If everyone just worried about their own biscuits, life would be groovy.

Ours will be advocating for the rule as written for the Super Slams, after 2 minutes anything arriving will get 25. It has been tried already, worked successfully and both the hunters and judges liked it. That is not pushing for an independent dog it is properly rewarding the dogs that actually ran a track and treed a coon. Look at it this way if your hunting a slow dog or one of those 4:459er me-tooers in a cast of slick treers covering after 2 and that dog gets first on a coon you can win!

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
.... It has been tried already, worked successfully and both the hunters and judges liked it......

....That is not pushing for an independent dog....

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Actually they paid as little as $100 the majority were avid UKC hunters with only the exception of a few. It has been tried already and was widely accepted along with seen as successful. The rule as written is easily implemented and followed a judge simply has to state when 2 minutes is gone on a tree not multiple times. It is unique from other major kennel clubs that have seconds or descending multiple minutes. It also punishes those with the most to gain for treeing first on a slick.

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So Richard do think a dog that backs at 4;55 for 2nd tree should be rewarded 75 ?
Is the 1 that trees 1st the independent 1 or is it just faster than the other 1 ?
Is the 1 that backs late the independent 1 or is it just slow ?
Oh my...

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Oh my goodness........
A dog that backs after 2 minutes didn't put any work into treeing the coon. So by it getting 75 currently, it is being rewarded. With a rule change on the tree it very well could have an effect on the outcome of a hunt. So if you're packing a me too'er that can't hardly tree a coon alone, you won't win much. And on that note why do you think its acceptable for a dog that backs at 4:55 to get 75? Why not just make it everyone gets 100/100 on everything? That'll fix it all!!!! It's a fair playing field then right. That's the logic I see in this post.

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I've got no problem with a dog treein with or behind another dog but if it ain't there within two minutes it really didn't help much did it...I'd be fine with 30 seconds.

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Tree countdown can be a wonderfull thing I love it ! Buuuuuuuuut what if you get first tree and everybody else is 3 minutes getting there and it's a slick tree you get a big minuse compared to their little one it can bite you in the rump too !


Tar

If I thought a me-too dog won as often in the woods as it does on this forum I'd darn sure be packing one. Why does it matter if he gets 75 points at 4 min. If you're not beating him you're the one that needs a better dog not him.

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Originally posted by SugarCreekBlues
If I thought a me-too dog won as often in the woods as it does on this forum I'd darn sure be packing one. Why does it matter if he gets 75 points at 4 min. If you're not beating him you're the one that needs a better dog not him.

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very seldom except for those man made dogs, is one treed at 4.55 min after a dog has treed, usually its like 4 seconds later

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Tree countdown can be a wonderfull thing I love it ! Buuuuuuuuut what if you get first tree and everybody else is 3 minutes getting there and it's a slick tree you get a big minuse compared to their little one it can bite you in the rump too !


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Tree Points

I'm all for the 2nd tree dog getting 2nd tree points (covered or split).

Re: Tree Count Down Rule

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Changing the tree point rule to a count down is just another thinly veiled attempt to legislate a completely independent style of coonhound. Some people like that style and so they think that everyone should hunt that style. There is nothing wrong with that style of hound if that is what you like. But there is also nothing wrong with the other style that will back another dog that trees first if that is what you like. There is room for both styles. We already have the 125 first tree rule to reward the dog that trees first.
If you like a certain style of dog, hunt that style. But don't try to make everyone hunt that style. What is next, a rule that says all coonhounds have to have a certain amount of white color? There is a great majority of hunters that like walker dogs. They have already changed the rules to allow registration of pups from half walker dog crosses. The next logical step will be to require all dogs to have a certain amount of walker blood. Since they are the majority, they can vote to do it.

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I am with you Redneck Mafia!

If mine covers at 4:55 in a hunt, he won’t the next time. I believe I can say that with great certainty. I won’t allow that pleasure hunting. Something I’ve learned to train for.

I don’t care a bit if a dog trees with other dogs, but only if they are working a track together. He better not run across a woods to do it.

That being said I think the dog that strikes and starts a track up close but gets treed a mile away from everything else should be minused.

Now watch. First hunt I make this year, mine will pull this and make me look the fool 😱

I like the countdown because it gives me a chance to make up for lost ground for getting last strike all the time.


Tar

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Originally posted by Larry Hall
If mine covers at 4:55 in a hunt, he won’t the next time. I believe I can say that with great certainty. I won’t allow that pleasure hunting. Something I’ve learned to train for.

I don’t care a bit if a dog trees with other dogs, but only if they are working a track together. He better not run across a woods to do it.

That being said I think the dog that strikes and starts a track up close but gets treed a mile away from everything else should be minused.

Now watch. First hunt I make this year, mine will pull this and make me look the fool 😱

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Originally posted by berger
Richard Lambert the saying is in all walks of life if your not willing to change you will be left behind. Why do you have a cell phone doesn't a landline work just as good as it did 20yrs ago. Changing the tree rule will not force you to change the style of dog you like hunting.
You hear a lot how the hunt numbers all dwindling, times are changing. 30 yrs ago you never heard of 7, 8, 9, 10month old pups being hunted in hunts today they are. The rules need to change to stay viable with what is hunting in the hunts. I am one that believes it is time to have a count down and as Redneck stated the 2minute has been tried and the hunters enjoyed it. I would prefer to see it go to 90 seconds for a very simple reason but could live with the 2minute rule. This would simplify judging, once the first dog is treed you could stand stationary for that allotted time then start walking and you wouldn't need to stop till there is 30seconds left on tree to give handlers the opportunity to call their dog. This takes the experience handlers out of the equation of pulling the tricks of stopping before the rest of the cast does to listen and call their dog before others stop to listen or are using their garmin knowing their dog has showed treed for a solid minute or 2. No handler gets and advantage if their dog isn't treed in the 2minutes or 90seconds whatever is the set time. There also needs to be changes to the strike rules that will bring it into accordance and up to date to hounds being hunted today. Also in this day and time a tie breaker should never need to be broken by a coin and needs updated and that practice eliminated. If we are going to stay strong as a group and organization we need to update the rules that will have 20 to 35yr olds hunting in the UKC hunts instead of always seeing them hunting in other registries...

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Yall just not going about this right to get any changes. ALL you have to do is say you're OFFENDED by another dog covering a tree and there you go; it gets changed. Isn't that how everything works in the USA now?? Jr.

The only time I want mine covering is out of the truck on a hot Coon, pleasure huntin or competition huntin. I can’t stand to handle more then 1 dog on a tree but that’s my preference. Regardless if I ever hunt another hunt or not, but for a dog to back over 2 min late & get 75 is rediculous. Most can walk to a tree almost that fast lol

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A dog that covers on a coon right off the leash is 1 thing. but letting a dog get undeserved points for covering after 1 moreless 2 minutes is down right bad. My belief any dog that covers after 90 secs shoud only receive 25. I bet everyone on here that is against this rule was truthfully has came back to the clubhouse bitching an complaining that you got beat by a metwoer that cover you for 75 at 4.57 gone on the tree. if you don't want rule changed you should never complain again about getting beat by a metwoer just shake his hand an head home