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Posted by Toad Hill on 11-26-2018 04:50 PM:

Poll - Hunt Directors - Allow to Hunt ?

Let the hunters speak ! and GO !!!

Poll will close in ten days .

Posted by Robert Johnson on 11-26-2018 06:34 PM:

wishful thinking. horse is dead, stop beating on him.

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Posted by Toad Hill on 11-26-2018 07:12 PM:

Was there already a poll on this Rock ?
I musta missed it if there was .
What was results ?
Thanks !

Posted by Robert Johnson on 11-29-2018 01:21 PM:

no poll but until the rule book year comes into play, ain't nothing going to change until then, and if ever. Its not just a matter of saying let them hunt. Its a matter of all the little sentences in the rules that apply to having to have them at the clubhouse, just like an MOH, but with no decision making authority. Hunt Director is just a title to put on the paperwork caretaker. They have to know nothing of the rules, and worse, they have to pick a panel to decide a rule infraction, who can know even less about than them. I personally think its a waste of time to have one, but I do think UKC missed the boat early on in not allowing them to hunt, if you are going to have one. Oh yes, I do know of the clubs that have hunt directors and yes they do go hunting, but there again, rules don't allow it.

Posted by yadkintar on 11-29-2018 01:34 PM:

If they wasn't in Kalamazoo and actually busted in on some clubs they would find out nobody's staying at the club now and just like the elections they get somebody's name off a tombstone somewhere.

But the rules ain't changing no time soon if ever!! we in the south hunt by the rules the northern patch hunters want.

I give up.

Tar

Posted by Richard Lambert on 11-29-2018 01:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar

....they would find out nobody's staying at the club now......

we in the south hunt by the rules.....

I give up.

Oh my goodness Tarbaby, are you argueing with yourself? Which is it? Do y'all hunt by the rules or do you let the Hunt Director hunt? The hunt director doesn't get to hunt at my club and I am in the South. I bet that the hunt director doesn't get to hunt at Jen's club. Is it not in the South?
And when was the last time that you just gave up? It is no wonder that no one ever believes anything that you say.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 11-29-2018 01:55 PM:

Rock, whether the hunt director stays at the club or not is a "format change". UKC could decide to do that at any time without going through the rules committee. They didn't go through the rules committee to allow hunt directors.

Posted by yadkintar on 11-29-2018 01:56 PM:

Got program changes !! No rule changes ! Got it from the top ! Those program changes won't work here without rule changes. But hey I got a chair by the fire and a good pot of coffee it's all good.

Tarbaby

Posted by wjoey on 11-29-2018 02:13 PM:

What they UKC did to your sons bench show win was wrong Robert, No matter what they think!!!

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 11-29-2018 02:20 PM:

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Originally posted by yadkintar
.... Those program changes won't work here without rule changes....

And just how do you know that? Do you have a crystal ball? Are you the "All Knowing Tarbaby"? UKC gave you the format changes that you asked for. They haven't even taken effect and you are already complaining. You are starting to sound like Gloom and Doom Wilbanks. Maybe you had better lay off of the coffee for awhile.....Baby steps....

Posted by yadkintar on 11-29-2018 02:26 PM:

Joe I know one purina rep that put his dog in close kinfolks names so he can give them wins. You and me and jack and Tim know him. Basicly the club would have had to eat that hunt packet fee if Corey hadent entered !! He was the only two dogs entered they are his dogs not mine. He is a good kid he takes care of his elderly grandfather with alztimers , works , and takes care of my grandaughter while his wife works. That hunt was his retreat little as it was it meant the world to him. Mess with ole tar it's ok but my kid that is different. Rules or no rules !! I really even didn't think about it they are his dogs and due to not enough judges and low showing numbers we are not going to have any more shows so we can follow the rules.

Robert hitt

Posted by yadkintar on 11-29-2018 02:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
And just how do you know that? Do you have a crystal ball? Are you the "All Knowing Tarbaby"? UKC gave you the format changes that you asked for. They haven't even taken effect and you are already complaining. You are starting to sound like Gloom and Doom Wilbanks. Maybe you had better lay off of the coffee for awhile.....Baby steps....

I talked to the man try it sometime !!

If tar owned ukc I would listen to my costumers the breed reps would answer to me.

Robert hitt

Posted by Robert Johnson on 11-29-2018 02:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Rock, whether the hunt director stays at the club or not is a "format change". UKC could decide to do that at any time without going through the rules committee. They didn't go through the rules committee to allow hunt directors.

Maybe so and I agree on format, but the rules that pertain to getting lost etc. are rules and it doesn't matter which format is used, someone has to be at the clubhouse. I stand pat. Rules will have to be changed to allow them to hunt, or just make up a new title and call it clubhouse baby sitter. That might work and be a better description for they actually can do. Just saying let them hunt is not as simple as it seems. I wish it was. I bet if it was as simple as that, Allen G would have said lets do it a long time ago, but he hasn't and there has to be a reason that would lead to and upset cart if they did. Why does one even think they pinned the director to the clubhouse in the first place? Yes it was a format change, but formatting it differently would require a rule change or two, and getting the redbone folks, lol, to agree would be impossible. At best, the apple cart is turned over.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 11-29-2018 03:00 PM:

Oh my goodness, do you really think that UKC doesn't listen to their customers? Or is that "Tarspeak" for, they don't do what I tell them to do? Don't you realize how many customers UKC has and all of them have a different opinion on how UKC hunts should be run? Someone has to put it all together and make a command decision on what to do.

Posted by yadkintar on 11-29-2018 03:06 PM:

Rock I don't understand the logic you got two kc's that's been hunting under the things we are asking for. Forever. $$$ , no hunt director at the club , tree countdown , no leash lock , ect for big $$$$ ! It's almost correct me if I am wrong like they are saying don't like it here go somwhere else !! We are already trained and we are the ones got to deal with it with no phone a freind option lol. Because we love ukc !!

Share the love its cold outside !

Tar

Posted by yadkintar on 11-29-2018 03:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Oh my goodness, do you really think that UKC doesn't listen to their customers? Or is that "Tarspeak" for, they don't do what I tell them to do? Don't you realize how many customers UKC has and all of them have a different opinion on how UKC hunts should be run? Someone has to put it all together and make a command decision on what to do.

I really don't know if they even like donuts up there !

Tar

Posted by wjoey on 11-29-2018 03:24 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Oh my goodness, do you really think that UKC doesn't listen to their customers? Or is that "Tarspeak" for, they don't do what I tell them to do? Don't you realize how many customers UKC has and all of them have a different opinion on how UKC hunts should be run? Someone has to put it all together and make a command decision on what to do.

Sometimes I wonder about UKC decision making you can keep kta if you want

dont have a heat stroke in AR this weekend and have fun!!

Posted by Richard Lambert on 11-29-2018 03:41 PM:

I will take t shirts, shorts and tennis shoes and I always have fun.

Posted by Robert Johnson on 11-29-2018 03:48 PM:

I don't have a horse to ride or a dog in the fight. I only state what I believe to be fair and true assessment of what is being asked of them. AS FOR ME, Hunt Director in the format we have now is absolutely worthless. It was only put into play by UKC, because they did hear the calls from their customers. They heard how greedy some MOH's were in charging fees etc, and the clubs were closing doors because of it. They changed on a trial basis that somehow got to be permanent. Just like our gov't....we wish for more and more, but we just don't stop and look at the big picture and how it effects the overall scope of things. Could a hunt director be allowed to hunt? SURE !! It would just require a picture to be re-taken, and some wording of rules adjusted. Would the coon hunting world be happy. Yep, until they figure out something else to complain about, then we poll and grip some more. One thing I know for certain. The sport itself is dying a slow death, and its hunters are its own worst enemy. Some may not agree, but that's the picture I am getting.

NOTE!!!! The quote above is mine own opinion and in no way reflects any opinion of UKC or anybody else, unless you are named Rock Johnson, and then we have a different problem. lol

Posted by Allen / UKC on 11-29-2018 03:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by wjoey
What they UKC did to your sons bench show win was wrong Robert, No matter what they think!!!

Joe, Joe, Joe. If we allowed that rule to be violated we would see the majority become unglued! It wouldn't fly. And it shouldn't. It's a waste of time to even talk about it considering such a rule change.

I'm talking about Bench Show judges judging their own family members' dog's in shows.

Posted by yadkintar on 11-29-2018 03:54 PM:

You need to make it the same for everybody then !! You want me to tell you publicly on here ? Big show people and you know who as well as I do.

Robert hitt

Posted by Redneck Mafia on 11-29-2018 04:06 PM:

I was thinking on this hunt director thing and many don't realize that to be one in at the bigger $kc, they apprentice under existing ones to get a club. They prefer each club then has two appointed hunt directors. These are the people responsible for doing paperwork correctly which they were trained to do as an apprentice. The hunt director is allowed to appoint someone in their absence to do it but they are still the responsible parties. The HD is the person also responsible for assembling the panel if needed. Most these guys have enough contacts to assemble one on a moments notice. Panel members can also be contacted by phone it is not uncommon to issue decisions via phone but the process of hearing questions is also somewhat different. I don't think that when implementing the HD it was thought through as to why or how it worked elsewhere, it isn't just some random person selected to do the paperwork that had never done it before. It seems to me that those that implemented the HD maybe were not aware of why or how it worked so well on the other side of the pond as I call it.
I for one am all for the hunt director hunting. If this format is giving Ukc this much headache a change the way a hunt director is implemented should be addressed and by having more responsible directors they could then allow them to hunt.
HD and MOH being at the club house is covered by rule 12(c) of the rules changes would fall to the rule committee so y'all are probably stuck with it until 2020. We do know that UKC has made exceptions to this such as different rules for the Grand Masters and the Super Slams that qualified for it. I think Tar's point was if they could change for it why not regular slams also.

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Posted by wjoey on 11-29-2018 04:10 PM:

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Originally posted by Allen / UKC
Joe, Joe, Joe. If we allowed that rule to be violated we would see the majority become unglued! It wouldn't fly. And it shouldn't. It's a waste of time to even talk about it considering such a rule change.

I'm talking about Bench Show judges judging their own family members' dog's in shows.

If he is the only dog to show up what does it matter, I guess its better for the club to eat there show fees, If you dont trust your licensed judges why even give a license.

Posted by Dave Richards on 11-29-2018 04:47 PM:

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Your post was well thought and expressed, I agree with your post completely. It is one thing to complain, it's another thing to actually address the complaint in a manner that explains the complexity if the matter. I agree that we as coonhunters are becoming our own worst enemies, just look at all the conflict over every little change we are confronted with. United we stand divided we fall, never been truer words spoken. UKC is NOT the only KENNEL CLUB that has these issues, $KCS are having similar issues where members blow up about every change that they make. Some can not see the BIG PICTURE, THEY ONLY SEE what they dislike. Dave

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 11-29-2018 05:14 PM:

Oh my goodness, how in the world did UKC not allowing Tarbaby to judge his own son in a bench show end up on the hunt director thread?

Jen, you brought up a very interesting fact. Everyone is using PKC's Hunt Director format as an example. But PKC's Hunt Director's are more like UKC's MOH's. PKC HD's don't have a license # but they each have a member #. They have to be "approved" by PKC and serve an apprenticeship just like a UKC MOH. PKC HD's have never been reimbursed by clubs. To bring a question before a PKC Panel, you have to quote the rule that was broken. In PKC, you have to put up $25 to ask a question. The panel is then given a rule book to reference and make their decision. Some of UKC's rules are different from PKC's. And a lot of UKC hunters are very different from PKC hunters. Most PKC hunters are more "professional" and have a very different perspective. So maybe we are trying to compare apples to oranges. Maybe we should step back and think about the consequences some more.

Or UKC could just allow it because that is what some want and see what happens.

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