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I wonder

I wonder how many dogs in the past that were "blown up" were not blown up but had thyroid issues or had lymes? If you've been at this any amount of time you've either had one or your buddy had one that was clicking then just wouldn't perform. Could've been a real accurate dog and a month or 2 later just made slick after slick, and never really recovered from it.

Some of you guys can say what you want about the thyroid issue. But unless you've had or have one I wouldn't just jump to a conclusion that its juicing or giving steroids.

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I had one the went from very good to nothing. Wish i was a little more knowledgable back then.

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That's what I'm saying. We all knew of a dog that has done it. But more times than not they ended up as worm bait. It just makes wonder is all.

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People can say what they want, but I had got a young dog from Timmy Pratt last spring and he was the best hounds I have ever owned. Well after 5 weeks of owning him he slid backwards hard. After a lot of test and $$ found out he had Eurlychia. I got him cured from that & he is maybe 80% back to normal. I had another blood work test done last week and everything came back good, but his T4 is at 1.2 so I have been talking with my vet and showing him all this talk from this forum on thyroid issue's and got him to start me out on .3 for 3 weeks then we will retest and see were he is at. My goal is to get him up to a 2.5 or 3 and see if I can acutely see a change. My vet did agree with staying under a 3 as that is still a normal range, but what is considered high normal.

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No doubt about it, some good ones had health issues that we could not see with the eyes. We can't change the past, but we can better understand the present. If a dog is worth feeding, it's worth a vet check anytime something seems wrong. Imo. Dave

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Re: I wonder

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Originally posted by novicane65
I wonder how many dogs in the past that were "blown up" were not blown up but had thyroid issues or had lymes? If you've been at this any amount of time you've either had one or your buddy had one that was clicking then just wouldn't perform. Could've been a real accurate dog and a month or 2 later just made slick after slick, and never really recovered from it.

Some of you guys can say what you want about the thyroid issue. But unless you've had or have one I wouldn't just jump to a conclusion that its juicing or giving steroids.

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And just look where we could be if we can get our hands on all those washed up great dogs for a portion of what are worth give them a pill and WHAM back in the drivers seat with a GREAT dog on pills. looks easy to me what U think?

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Originally posted by Donnie Stevens
I agree. And thinking back I may have had one or two myself but it just seems like every hound can't have a thyroid problem. Somebody said they checked several dogs and every one needed pills to make them "normal" even tho according to a vet their thyroid was already "normal"

Think it was last year I read where at least 6 of the top 8 dogs in another KC's world hunt was on thyroid medication. Really ? All I'm saying is just because they perform better on the meds doesn't make it "normal"

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Originally posted by N Williams
Let me explain this. The last dog I brought to him tested at a 1.1 and I haven't hunted him in about a week. Vet said he's not hypothyroid. I said doc that's to low for working dog. I explained to him what I do with these hounds in compitition hunts. I explained what's required out of a world ch. He said well if you want one with enuff energy to do that you need him at a 3.0-3.5. We put him on .8 twice a day for 2 weeks hunted him and checked him. He was a .6. That's hypothyroid even being on 1.6 a day. This is just an example. Even fu fu dogs are suppose to be on meds that low.

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I would say one large problem is the knowledge on this subject both by vets and owners.

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I would say one large problem is the knowledge on this subject both by vets and owners.

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I would say one large problem is the knowledge on this subject both by vets and owners.

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I have often wondered about dogs in the past that may have had it. I feel I owned one for sure about 20 years ago. She had all the classic signs, but even my vet couldn't figure it out back then

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Originally posted by MR.RATMAN
People can say what they want, but I had got a young dog from Timmy Pratt last spring and he was the best hounds I have ever owned. Well after 5 weeks of owning him he slid backwards hard. After a lot of test and $$ found out he had Eurlychia. I got him cured from that & he is maybe 80% back to normal. I had another blood work test done last week and everything came back good, but his T4 is at 1.2 so I have been talking with my vet and showing him all this talk from this forum on thyroid issue's and got him to start me out on .3 for 3 weeks then we will retest and see were he is at. My goal is to get him up to a 2.5 or 3 and see if I can acutely see a change. My vet did agree with staying under a 3 as that is still a normal range, but what is considered high normal.

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Maybe just maybe instead of reproducing dogs with genetic flaws we should look at breeding superior hounds that are healthy and tree coons with out daily meds. I know, I am probably an idiot for even thinking such a thing. I look at dogs as a tool for enjoyment. I believe they should be well taken care of, but if they aren't born healthy and able to perform their task without medication please don't reproduce more of them.

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Originally posted by Lance Laymon
Maybe just maybe instead of reproducing dogs with genetic flaws we should look at breeding superior hounds that are healthy and tree coons with out daily meds. I know, I am probably and idiot for even thinking such a thing.

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Originally posted by Lance Laymon_
Maybe just maybe instead of reproducing dogs with genetic flaws we should look at breeding superior hounds that are healthy and tree coons with out daily meds. I know, I am probably and idiot for even thinking such a thing.


I say this as someone who breeds as many females a year as probably anyone on this board and who's stud dog is not on any daily meds but he's never been tested because he has never shown any signs, could be low or maybe fine. That being said the vast majority of these dogs on daily meds were not born with thyriod issues and do not have them because of a genetic disposition for them. So many environmental factors play into this disease. Look at the chemicals that are sprayed on fields, the chlorine and flouride added to water supplies, the links to various tick disease and the thyriod gland, the common use of shocking collars and no bark collars placed directly on the thyriod gland area of the throat on the daily for many dogs, the direct correlation of of under exercise or over exercise on function(think obesity then the opposite end of the spectrum read up on Olympic atheletes and thyriod levels), GMO foods added to dogs food that weren't 20 yrs ago. The endocrine system of the canine body just like the human body is quite complicated so many things in our environment that can adversely affect it. New studies in men in the western world show a 50% drop in sperm counts from 40yrs ago there is something big going on and not just in our dogs.

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I agree it's more than genetic. None of the other dogs in Bildo's pedigree has had an issue with thyroid problems. I've talked to Ben quite a bit about it. So his isn't genetic as far as anyone knows. But the pills he's on costs $0.12 - $ 0.50 a day. Not going to bankrupt me.

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A buddy of mine had a direct son of Stylish Coma x Sackett Jr. and High Style back around 2004 and he came down with coonhound paralesis,he was down for about 3 weeks,he kept him on his screened in back porch,before he had that he was 1 of the best and most accurate dogs,and the loudest mouth I had ever seen at that time.After he got back on his feet, we started hunting him and he was never the same,he was loud,but not like before,at times he just didn't want to go,and became very inaccurate,my buddy traded him back too the guy he got him from,now I have always wondered about that dog and why he "blew up"...Maybe if we would have had him checked, ol' Sounder would of came back to what he was....
At one time he was every mans dream of a coondog!

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia

I say this as someone who breeds as many females a year as probably anyone on this board and who's stud dog is not on any daily meds but he's never been tested because he has never shown any signs, could be low or maybe fine. That being said the vast majority of these dogs on daily meds were not born with thyriod issues and do not have them because of a genetic disposition for them. So many environmental factors play into this disease. Look at the chemicals that are sprayed on fields, the chlorine and flouride added to water supplies, the links to various tick disease and the thyriod gland, the common use of shocking collars and no bark collars placed directly on the thyriod gland area of the throat on the daily for many dogs, the direct correlation of of under exercise or over exercise on function(think obesity then the opposite end of the spectrum read up on Olympic atheletes and thyriod levels), GMO foods added to dogs food that weren't 20 yrs ago. The endocrine system of the canine body just like the human body is quite complicated so many things in our environment that can adversely affect it. New studies in men in the western world show a 50% drop in sperm counts from 40yrs ago there is something big going on and not just in our dogs. [/B]

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Ive heard this before about a line of dogs being prone to thyroid problems but ive not heard wich . Im not trying to stir things up but id really like to know ! What line ? I know theres all kinds of things that can bring it on but , i want to avoid any such genetic defects ! I guess im not in the loop.

years a go all the hounds i had were deer running fools . sometimes all night till way after the sun had come up . never did get one 100 % strait and they never run low on gas. lol if ones tank started showing low heart worms were the cause or a bad case of hook worms .most were chop mouth and open spotted with red heads and ticked up .

Just because a dog is on thyroid meds doesn't mean that they have hypothyroidism. A dog has to have a thyroid level below 1.5 to have a diagnosis of hypothyroidism. Some handlers whose dogs have a level of 1.5-2.5 think that their dogs perform better with a level of 3-4, so they give them thyroid meds.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Just because a dog is on thyroid meds doesn't mean that they have hypothyroidism. A dog has to have a thyroid level below 1.5 to have a diagnosis of hypothyroidism. Some handlers whose dogs have a level of 1.5-2.5 think that their dogs perform better with a level of 3-4, so they give them thyroid meds.

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So, if you put this pup on pills and he wins the World Championship like his sire is he mediocre? Some dogs are going to be mediocre no matter what their thyroid level is. They just don't have the skills to be World Champion material. I don't really know for sure but apparantly some dogs have the skills but operate better when on thyroid pills.