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Posted by Corey Gruver on 06-01-2016 01:52 PM:

Track Dogs

I want to get some opinions on who you guys think are the best track dogs alive today in our breed. The dogs out there that can run any track that comes their way, cold, hot, short, long, whatever a coon lays down. It can be male or female, but if you could supply an answer with a detailed description and maybe a pedigree (or at least a general idea of their breeding) to go along with it, that would be great!

Always on a quest for knowledge Just curious to see what people think.

PS I am putting emphasis on the word ALIVE.

Thanks in advance!

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Posted by jkhutch on 06-01-2016 04:37 PM:

Hey Cory... I know of an offspring of Pebbles that can run a hot or cold track and do it in style for 18 months old.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 06-01-2016 04:58 PM:

Rabble....Haze.......Boone.....all you have to add is a little tree. Now where do we go from here?

Posted by Kevin Jackson on 06-01-2016 05:21 PM:

My Billy dog is one of the best track dogs I've ever seen. He worked a bad track pretty quick and left a lot of dogs behind. They'd be picking at it while he was running it. He's still alive but he's 11 now. His dad was out of the Rat x Raven cross and was a great dog. His mom was out of my old Sallee/Outlaw female and a Rat son. I'm lucky, I have the luxury of running cats in the winter. Good way to evaluate what a guy really has for track dogs. When you watch dogs grind and pound the dirt for 10 miles on a crappy melted out track and have to be caught at dark instead of quitting it's a pretty good indication that you have decent track dogs.

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Posted by Tim MACHA on 06-01-2016 05:25 PM:

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Rabble....Haze.......Boone.....all you have to add is a little tree. Now where do we go from here?

????, What rock did you just crawl from? lol

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Posted by Corey Gruver on 06-01-2016 05:32 PM:

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Originally posted by jkhutch
Hey Cory... I know of an offspring of Pebbles that can run a hot or cold track and do it in style for 18 months old.

He defiantly got that from his daddy then! Pebble likes to grub those old nasty tracks a tad lol

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Posted by Pastor Mike on 06-01-2016 06:18 PM:

T-Top dogs have always been well above average track dogs. I've had several that can put a coon at the end of a really tough track in the middle of January.

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Posted by Corey Gruver on 06-01-2016 06:33 PM:

I would tend to agree with that Pastor Mike, a lot of the T-Top dogs I've seen go I would rate as above average track dogs. I owned a double grandson to Rabble that could straight boogy on cold winter nights and treed a lot of coon with him even into January/February. He certainly shined in the snow, that was for sure.

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Posted by jguilliams on 06-01-2016 08:12 PM:

Corey, we have a female that is T-Top bred (Lexus x Rowdy). I guess that is T-Top, Mike? She is a bear dog. She can cold trail and work a track and make it move. She has been a top trail dog her entire life. At age 8 she is still in top shape and has a heck of a nose and track ability.
I think this is a common trait in this line of hounds.

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Posted by Corey Gruver on 06-01-2016 08:28 PM:

Jason

That makes sense too. I know that our Hope and Jake dogs we had were grand pups to Lexus and some of the best track dogs I had ever had the privilege to own anyway. Good lay-up dogs too. Most of the Rowdy dogs I've hunted with had pretty good noses on them too. That's a large reason why I bred to Busko when I did.

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Posted by Kevin Jackson on 06-01-2016 08:31 PM:

My Sage female is out of Lexus x Sandy Creek Jake and she's a good track dog too. All my dogs go back to Billy and Sage and have a lot of T-top blood. It works. Seems a lot of the stuff that goes back to Go Man Sam has decent noses.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 06-01-2016 08:34 PM:

Corey, I hate to agree with the King of the Cowboys but he is probably right. If you ask any of the Oldtimers, they will tell you that you could get all of the track you wanted from Hoffmeister's Rusty Red lines. They would then outcross to get some tree. It worked for them by adding Zack or Ace or Chief blood. If you will look at the T-Top dogs being mentioned you will find that is what happened. In more recent times, look at the B III X Heidi cross or the Steve-O X Chilli cross. They used Rusty Red blood and crossed it with Fireball blood to add a little tree. But these are just a couple of examples that I am familiar with. I am sure there are several more out there if anyone will share them with you.

Posted by Corey Gruver on 06-01-2016 08:46 PM:

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Corey, I hate to agree with the King of the Cowboys but he is probably right. If you ask any of the Oldtimers, they will tell you that you could get all of the track you wanted from Hoffmeister's Rusty Red lines. They would then outcross to get some tree. It worked for them by adding Zack or Ace or Chief blood. If you will look at the T-Top dogs being mentioned you will find that is what happened. In more recent times, look at the B III X Heidi cross or the Steve-O X Chilli cross. They used Rusty Red blood and crossed it with Fireball blood to add a little tree. But these are just a couple of examples that I am familiar with. I am sure there are several more out there if anyone will share them with you.

All good information! Keep it coming fellas

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Posted by Hoosier Outlaw on 06-01-2016 08:50 PM:

Dual Grand Nite Champion Ky Moonlight Woody is at the top of my list for track dogs who take whatever track they come to and move it with speed and purpose. I have seen him trail coon right through other dogs of known high caliber and them act like they could barely smell it.

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Posted by Corey Gruver on 06-01-2016 08:56 PM:

Shane

I've heard that from several others too. One in particular that said he was the best track dog he ever laid eyes on!

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 06-01-2016 09:12 PM:

Where is the Fiddler? Were/are the Sawblade dogs known to be good/excellant track dogs? I don't have very much, if any, experience with them.

Posted by Corey Gruver on 06-01-2016 09:17 PM:

Well, GRNTCH Hope and GRNTCH LNL Jake were both grand babies to Fiddle... Woody is a grand baby to Fiddle... Kelly's Truck dog is an EXCELLENT track dog, and he was a full brother to Hope and Jake. That's a good start in saying that they are I suppose lol

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Posted by Kevin Jackson on 06-01-2016 09:33 PM:

What about the Ranger dog? Did he contribute to Woody's tracking ability or did that come from the Fiddle stuff?

Posted by Hoosier Outlaw on 06-01-2016 09:34 PM:

I didn't start hunting Aftershock till he was almost 6 and I think Woody had a little colder nose...but Shock was one of the fastest track dogs on most tracks I have seen in the redbone breed. He could take a track away from most dogs in a cast and have the tree located well before the others got there. I saw him catch several on the ground in corn fields and swamps also.

Posted by Chris Snyder on 06-02-2016 02:42 AM:

Track Dogs

Can't wait to see some more opinions on this.

Posted by okreddog56 on 06-02-2016 06:15 AM:

WHERE I HUNT IF YOU WANT TO TREE COON NIGHT AFTER NIGHT AND BE ABLE TO BEAT THE WALKER DOGS YOU BETTER HAVE A TRACK DOG THAT IS A GOOD TREEDOG.DUAL GRAND HICKS RUSTY X NITECH,GRCH.SIMPSONS COON STRECHEN GRETCHEN HAS PRODUCED SOME DOGS I REALLY LIKE,REAL GOOD INDEPENDENT TRACK AND TREEDOGS.

Posted by RedScorpion on 06-02-2016 03:48 PM:

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Originally posted by Hoosier Outlaw
I didn't start hunting Aftershock till he was almost 6 and I think Woody had a little colder nose...but Shock was one of the fastest track dogs on most tracks I have seen in the redbone breed. He could take a track away from most dogs in a cast and have the tree located well before the others got there. I saw him catch several on the ground in corn fields and swamps also.

That cross with Bree and Woody really looked good on paper for tracking and overall coon treeing ability. What happened was a real shame.

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Posted by Pastor Mike on 06-02-2016 06:23 PM:

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Originally posted by Corey/UKC
I would tend to agree with that Pastor Mike, a lot of the T-Top dogs I've seen go I would rate as above average track dogs. I owned a double grandson to Rabble that could straight boogy on cold winter nights and treed a lot of coon with him even into January/February. He certainly shined in the snow, that was for sure.

yep. Lexus, whom I got from chris snyder, now she could really move a hot track......really could scorch one. She did really well on what I would call a medium track. Cold tracks were not her style though.....even though she could grub one out and still put a coon at the end, it just seemed like she wasn't as motivated when it came to cold tracks. I actually liked that about her.

My old shadow female could move a track with style as well. She liked a cold track however and you could just sit and wait and it wouldn't be long and you would hear that warble locate and then that chop ringing off the ridges. Loved that dog.

Haze could move just about any track, didn't really matter how hot or cold. the cold ones he never stood on his head, kept it moving. Haze and Shadow one night at our first fellowship hunt struck a cold track, me, ramon and his friend stood and listened as they headed toward the mountain. they started to get pretty cold so I drove them about 5 miles back to the club to warm up and wait about a half hour. When I decided to go back and check on them, ramons friend went back with me, we got a couple miles down the road and I turned on my old wildlife 64 tracker and that familiar fast beep showing treed was clicking them off. We got down there and walked close to 900 yards up the mountain to them. It was fun knowing you had a dog/dogs that could do that on those old bad nights.

Of course I do think that track speed can be subjective. We may think our dogs can really move a track. No way of really knowing until you put them up against others either pleasure hunting or competition hunting. I'm glad to say that doing alot of pleasure hunting with folks and competition that our dogs were consistent with what we had figured. My personal opinion is that some dogs have better noses than we might think based on where they are normally hunted. Hunted in thick coon, a dog may just learn to like hot tracks but it doesn't mean he couldn't work a cold one if given the chance. the dog may need a little time to adjust but that's ok in my book. good luck fellas.

Posted by Hoosier Outlaw on 06-02-2016 06:33 PM:

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Originally posted by RedScorpion
That cross with Bree and Woody really looked good on paper for tracking and overall coon treeing ability. What happened was a real shame.

One female made it...and she looks fat and happy so we may see something down the road from her yet...

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