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Posted by JiM on 03-04-2016 02:57 PM:

The disgrace of today's politics.

Watching the Repub debate last night, it occurs to me that it's no wonder we see so much disrespectful behavior amongst the young people today. With the example set last night by the leading candidates for the highest office in the land, the future of this nation seems completely hopeless.
I haven't missed a vote since 1976 but I absolutely WILL NOT vote for Hillary and I sure ain't voting for Trump, Rubio or Cruz so next November I will go to the polls and cast my ballot in our state and local elections but no way I'm voting for President. The future of this country is not bright.

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Posted by sleepy head on 03-04-2016 03:32 PM:

Disgraceful is an understatement, hard to believe we got to this point

Posted by nitehunter2004 on 03-04-2016 05:00 PM:

Jim the sky is not falling! The southern Baptist refused to vote for a Mormon and we ended up with 4 more years of Obama. Any of the 4 is 100 times better than Hillary and a not vote is a vote for Hillary!

Posted by JiM on 03-04-2016 05:26 PM:

Trump Rubio and Cruz are not 4 times better than Hillary, they aren't better than anything. We are equally screwed with any of them.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 03-04-2016 05:36 PM:

Why in the world do they think that they have to resort to such name calling and back biting? They are like a pack of coyotes. I don't understand why they can't just debate their policies and plans and leave all of the negativity out of it. The moderators were the cause of a lot of it. Their questions were ridiculous and designed to provoke the candidates. It was just like watching a soap opera for the most part. And then at the end they all made up and said that they would support each other. It was like they were just playing to the crowd. It reminded me of a bunch of professional wrestlers who were best buddies when they got back to the dressing room. I really wonder just how "made up" most of it is.

Posted by Stan Ferrell on 03-04-2016 06:50 PM:

Jim, you need to understand why it has become sooo ugly. The Republican old guard is losing control and will do anything not to, including losing the election. Trump and Cruze are the two non conformist that the party Elite will not allow to be nominated, and if they are they will sabotage the general election.
It is said that if Cruze was chocking on the Senate floor, not a single Republican would give him cpr. That's good enough for me. Cruze or Trump will be a definite pluss for the country. I will if I have to vote for that putz Rubio, but it will then just be business as usual.

Posted by bobbycagle1 on 03-04-2016 06:53 PM:

Jim, I agree with you about the debate. But Kaisch would be an option for you right now???? Also, the RNC isn't gonna alow trump to be their nominee. This will be a brokered convention. I believe their wrong, but make no mistake about it, there will be a 3rd party candidate. It'll be either Trump or Romney running as an Independent candidate.
But Jim, your right! It makes me sick at how their acting. Kaisch is the only one making any sense right now. And I believe he's an honest to goodness moral man with plenty of executive experience.

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Posted by Stan Ferrell on 03-04-2016 06:58 PM:

As conservatives we have a very rare opportunity to take back the Republican party. The career politicians are trying hard to hold on but change is comin and you should be a part of it. Anybody remember who Eric Cantor was? I am willing to put up with a little dog and pony show if we can get a REAL Republican into the White House!!!!!

Posted by Stan Ferrell on 03-04-2016 07:03 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by bobbycagle1
Jim, I agree with you about the debate. But Kaisch would be an option for you right now???? Also, the RNC isn't gonna alow trump to be their nominee. This will be a brokered convention. I believe their wrong, but make no mistake about it, there will be a 3rd party candidate. It'll be either Trump or Romney running as an Independent candidate.
But Jim, your right! It makes me sick at how their acting. Kaisch is the only one making any sense right now. And I believe he's an honest to goodness moral man with plenty of executive experience.

Romney IS part of the problem, He is ingrained into the RNC so far that he too will sell out the party base. Cruze or Trump, lets tell the RNC who the party really belongs to.

Posted by ScottCK 6 on 03-04-2016 07:04 PM:

You are Edzachary right!

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Posted by Well Started on 03-04-2016 07:08 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ed zachary
As conservatives we have a very rare opportunity to take back the Republican party. The career politicians are trying hard to hold on but change is comin and you should be a part of it. Anybody remember who Eric Cantor was? I am willing to put up with a little dog and pony show if we can get a REAL Republican into the White House!!!!!

I agree with you, I just hope it's Cruz. The man memorized the Constitution at 13 yrs old. He's a Constitutional geek and has spent his life defending it and arguing it in front of the Supreme Court.

Cruz's biggest fault in this election cycle is that he was unlucky enough to be elected a Senator. But in reality he's more outsider against the establishment and good ole boy politics than Donald Trump could ever dream of being.

Posted by moonshine man on 03-04-2016 07:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by nitehunter2004
Jim the sky is not falling! The southern Baptist refused to vote for a Mormon and we ended up with 4 more years of Obama. Any of the 4 is 100 times better than Hillary and a not vote is a vote for Hillary!

Most people dont look at the whole picture in a way of what is going to happen when someone gets voted in,i dont really care for none of the ones running but i know the ones i dont want to win,Obama is the worse President we have ever had and knowing this i would rather see 8 more years of him as i would 1 year of Hillary and if she gets in guns are gone that will be first on her list,i will go vote if for nothing else just to throw a vote against her to try and keep her out.

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Posted by ScottCK 6 on 03-04-2016 07:33 PM:

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Originally posted by Well Started
I agree with you, I just hope it's Cruz. The man memorized the Constitution at 13 yrs old. He's a Constitutional geek and has spent his life defending it and arguing it in front of the Supreme Court.

Cruz's biggest fault in this election cycle is that he was unlucky enough to be elected a Senator. But in reality he's more outsider against the establishment and good ole boy politics than Donald Trump could ever dream of being.

He made some good points last night, he is the best for the job. He was asked if he would run with Trump, he sure didn't say no. That was a few days ago.

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Posted by berger on 03-04-2016 08:01 PM:

Re: The disgrace of today's politics.

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
I absolutely WILL NOT vote for Hillary and I sure ain't voting for Trump, Rubio or Cruz so next November I will go to the polls and cast my ballot in our state and local elections but no way I'm voting for President.

Thank You Jim for being Bright and Voting for Hillary!!!

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Posted by Triple K Kennel on 03-04-2016 10:25 PM:

Bingo....

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Trump Rubio and Cruz are not 4 times better than Hillary, they aren't better than anything. We are equally screwed with any of them.

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Posted by Stan Ferrell on 03-05-2016 12:33 AM:

Re: Bingo....

quote:
Originally posted by Triple K Kennel

If you are a Gay, , illegal alien who performs abortions maybe, But if you are a second amendment supporting, tax payer who can pronounce America correctly you will be just fine either Trump or Cruize.

Posted by TomPurdy on 03-05-2016 01:25 AM:

Re: Re: Bingo....

quote:
Originally posted by Ed zachary
If you are a Gay, , illegal alien who performs abortions maybe, But if you are a second amendment supporting, tax payer who can pronounce America correctly you will be just fine either Trump or Cruize.

Ed, I would like to agree with you, however Trump as of a few years ago was a progressive liberal on all the issues you just mentioned! I would gladly vote for Cruz, but I will not vote for Trump!!

Posted by WVBLUEBOY on 03-05-2016 01:36 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Bingo....

quote:
Originally posted by TomPurdy
Ed, I would like to agree with you, however Trump as of a few years ago was a progressive liberal on all the issues you just mentioned! I would gladly vote for Cruz, but I will not vote for Trump!!

Flip the switch for Cruz or who ever you want in this primary election. The main thing is to flip the Republican switch in the general election, no matter who the nominee is.

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Posted by Stan Ferrell on 03-05-2016 01:46 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Bingo....

quote:
Originally posted by WVBLUEBOY
Flip the switch for Cruz or who ever you want in this primary election. The main thing is to flip the Republican switch in the general election, no matter who the nominee is.

True dat, some of us will be holdin our noses with the other hand but so be it.

Posted by TomPurdy on 03-05-2016 02:07 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Bingo....

quote:
Originally posted by WVBLUEBOY
Flip the switch for Cruz or who ever you want in this primary election. The main thing is to flip the Republican switch in the general election, no matter who the nominee is.

I'd love to do that however being a principled conservative, I will not vote for a liberal regardless of whether there's a D or a R in front of their name. I will not compromise my values simply because someone is deemed an outsider!

Posted by berger on 03-05-2016 02:17 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bingo....

quote:
Originally posted by TomPurdy
I'd love to do that however being a principled conservative, I will not vote for a liberal regardless of whether there's a D or a R in front of their name. I will not compromise my values simply because someone is deemed an outsider!

I am thinking you have never voted, not even for your governor..

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Posted by TomPurdy on 03-05-2016 03:10 AM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bingo....

quote:
Originally posted by berger
I am thinking you have never voted, not even for your governor..

Now Berger, what would make you think that?

I will admit you guy's are a lot like your dear leader. When confronted with substance( or in Trumps case the lack there of). That cannot be denied turn to personal insults. So far it's worked for him.

Posted by honalieh on 03-05-2016 03:36 AM:

Voting

quote:
Originally posted by TomPurdy
I'd love to do that however being a principled conservative, I will not vote for a liberal regardless of whether there's a D or a R in front of their name. I will not compromise my values simply because someone is deemed an outsider!

I think the point was that if you've voted for politicians, pretty much any politician at the state or national level, you are compromising values. Strong values aren't something that you will often see in high-level politicians. They solicit money (campaign contributions) in exchange for favors. Sounds a lot like a prostitute to me. If you support either, it is a compromise in values, unless those are your values. Supporting these types of people is a compromise in values---or a deficiency). If I didn't compromise, I'd never get to vote for state and national offices.

Posted by TomPurdy on 03-05-2016 03:53 AM:

Re: Voting

quote:
Originally posted by honalieh
I think the point was that if you've voted for politicians, pretty much any politician at the state or national level, you are compromising values. Strong values aren't something that you will often see in high-level politicians. They solicit money (campaign contributions) in exchange for favors. Sounds a lot like a prostitute to me. If you support either, it is a compromise in values, unless those are your values. Supporting these types of people is a compromise in values---or a deficiency). If I didn't compromise, I'd never get to vote for state and national offices.

That's a good post honalieh.Maybe I should've clarified. I will not compromise my core values. Things like pro-life, pro-Isreal, pro-family. I'm more than willing to set an election out than compromise on those values. You are right I have voted for candidates in the past that I didn't agree with on all their positions. Tax plans etc...

Posted by berger on 03-05-2016 04:25 AM:

Re: Voting

quote:
Originally posted by honalieh
I think the point was that if you've voted for politicians, pretty much any politician at the state or national level, you are compromising values. Strong values aren't something that you will often see in high-level politicians. They solicit money (campaign contributions) in exchange for favors. Sounds a lot like a prostitute to me. If you support either, it is a compromise in values, unless those are your values. Supporting these types of people is a compromise in values---or a deficiency). If I didn't compromise, I'd never get to vote for state and national offices.

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