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Posted by deschmidt27 on 05-15-2015 05:53 PM:

She maybe losing her mind, in the South?!?

Ok, I need some insight from the Southern hunters. I have a female that has spent most her life in thick coon... Indiana, Wisconsin, etc. Now that I've moved to North Carolina, she's doing things I've never seen before.

She'll strike a track and start moving it out, and it will heat up, then all goes quiet and next thing I know she's moved much deeper, and the track is heating up again. But this will go on and on, and she will eventually get treed, with A coon, but I can't believe it's the same coon.

She's getting treed a half mile or farther away. Do coon really travel that much, down here?

If she was always ending up on dens, I would say she's back tracking, but it's not tracks that get colder, rather tracks that go hot and cold. And she always ends up with a coon, at least lately.

I would say she's hopping tracks, but she's the type that keeps the track between her legs, not one that drifts them. And I can't see why she would jump hot tracks for cold ones. In thick coon, she'll move a track, and even shut-up on a hot track, but she gets treed quickly. Down here, I can't figure out what she's doing, other than eventually treeing a coon, and making me walk forever!

Any ideas???

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Posted by shawnstovall on 05-15-2015 06:14 PM:

welcome to where the deer are plenty and coon not so much. I can't speak for NC but here in oklahoma and when I lived in Georgia and dog has to travel to get a coon treed. It's not like up north where coon are as thick as the ticks are down here.

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Posted by HOBO on 05-15-2015 06:16 PM:

Fox maybe?

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Posted by deschmidt27 on 05-15-2015 06:28 PM:

Shawn - I don't know about the deer... there's not a lot of them down here, either!

Dennis - we have plenty of them up North, and I never had her bump one. And I'm not sure it would explain the tracks going hot and cold. There have been a couple tracks that stayed super hot, but acted funny where I wondered about bobcat, though.

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Posted by T Felderman on 05-15-2015 06:33 PM:

Dave

Shouldn't you be in Cheese head country at the Heartland?

Posted by deschmidt27 on 05-15-2015 06:36 PM:

Wish I was, but I've already made 3 trips up North this Spring and need to stay home for a bit!

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Posted by HOBO on 05-15-2015 06:37 PM:

David most times a grey fox runs hot and cold with the dogs locating some and then moving. Im sure there are several fox up north, but with the lack of coon in Nc compared to up north she maybe hitting them until she crosses a coon track.

I'm not saying she is running one, just giving you another option.

Posted by HOBO on 05-15-2015 06:39 PM:

Most of the bobcats that I've ever had my hounds run never ran more than 200-300 yards before climbing, just to bail again once I was about 50-75 yards from the tree.

Posted by Ray&Luie on 05-15-2015 06:44 PM:

Water

are you hunting in lots of water ?

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Posted by deschmidt27 on 05-15-2015 06:52 PM:

Dennis - I wasn't aware of the "hot/cold" phenomenon with gray fox. I knew they could climb trees, but wasn't aware of the changes in speed on track. Maybe that is it...

On the bobcat, that's what I had heard and with locates and then moving on, with a lot of back-tracking and zig-zagging, I kind of think I've bumped one or two of those.

Ray&Luie - not lots of water, actually more dry cut-over. Last night started on the river, was along a creek for awhile and ended up with a coon in a pine tree, a mile away!

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Posted by joey on 05-15-2015 06:53 PM:

Re: Water

quote:
Originally posted by Ray&Luie
are you hunting in lots of water ?

Thats what I was thinking, but yes Dave coons go that far quite often.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 05-15-2015 06:56 PM:

.50 a mile aint far at all really if your not hunting feeders. I dont know why she's shutting up thpugh. How long is she shutting up? I don't know about there but here in north Ga. We don't have enough coon for em to be jumping tracks like your talking about within a half mile. I doubt she's jumping tracks.

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Posted by Ray&Luie on 05-15-2015 06:58 PM:

Not trash

I don't think your dogs trashing, not knowing your hound id have to say she's just shutting up in all the right places and looking for the coon, she could be doing some swapping but I don't really think so. when corn get ready turn her out in a corn field and see what happens

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 05-15-2015 06:59 PM:

Sounds like typical North Carolina hunting...trailing, running, grubbing, trailing, running and then treeing. A half to a mile is the new normal. Welcome to the South. We call it coon hunting, not coon treeing. If you watch your Garmin, you will be able to tell what she is doing after a while. You and your hound will get used to it.

Posted by deschmidt27 on 05-15-2015 07:06 PM:

I knew I would have to get re-calibrated, I just didn't know if I should be happy she's getting under a coon, and this was normal, or if I should be worried about something else.

Michael - she'll shut-up for maybe 5-10 minutes. She seems to be zig-zagging between patches and across small fields.

Corn??? What I wouldn't give to see a corn field down here!!! All I have are the scrap properties, nobody else has cared to lock up!

I've considered putting out a feeder, especially since I have a pup to train, but I'm afraid Joe Newlin would dis-own me!

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Posted by HOBO on 05-15-2015 07:08 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by deschmidt27

I've considered putting out a feeder, especially since I have a pup to train, but I'm afraid Joe Newlin would dis-own me!

What Joe don't know WON'T hurt Joe one bit. LOL

Posted by deschmidt27 on 05-15-2015 07:09 PM:

Curious... what's the question about water, leading to?

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Posted by HOBO on 05-15-2015 07:11 PM:

I do agree with most of them, half mile isn't that far for a track down here, But usually when you tree onethat far its grubbed up and goes from cold to hot, not hot to cold. Unless she is getting quite when she gets in some blow downs or something else thick. my Boone dog would only open good when he was in blow downs the rest of the time he was 99% silent.

Posted by deschmidt27 on 05-15-2015 07:29 PM:

As I think back, she appears to be opening mostly in the woods and quiet across the fields, back yards (thank goodness) and lanes. I also thought she might just be stretching her legs across those fields and lanes. But, maybe she is just grubbing on a track, where a coon is going all over looking for something to eat.

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Posted by RLenhart on 05-15-2015 07:29 PM:

this wouldn't apply so much to Dave's problem but just conversationally speaking i have a dog that on a longer track will almost always shut up stone silent for 100 -200 yrds before falling treed. When he's been working one hard I kind of like to here that silence "I stand there thinking wait for it" then bang there it is he got it. It could be he just lost it at times but I tend to want to think sometimes that he's smart enough to know he's closing in on one that's still on the run and shutting up like that gives him a chance to catch it on the ground.

Posted by Ray&Luie on 05-15-2015 07:34 PM:

water

quote:
Originally posted by deschmidt27
Curious... what's the question about water, leading to?

well a lot of time down here , when a hound hits a lot of water they shut up looking for the coon on the creek bank , if they have to swim they wont open much if the banks are high they might locate like they are treed also , just something to think about .
I had this problem this past season , with my old English dog , she's a pretty good track and tree dog , but the high banks would really give her fits on a hot coon, the coon knew right where to go too ! she would run hot to the creek and make a loose and pick up trailing , gave me fits figuring out what was wrong with here lol

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Posted by joey on 05-15-2015 07:38 PM:

The question about the water is to see if she is making looses on the water and shutting up.

If I had to guess without being there I would say your dog is probably barking while she is looking to pick back up on the track. But not barking as much as when she has it up and moving. Making it sound like hot then cold then hot again. Just a guess, but if it was easy to figure out it wouldn't be any fun.

Posted by deschmidt27 on 05-15-2015 07:43 PM:

Ray&Luie - I see, and that makes sense. But these areas aren't that wet. And in thick coon, where they behaved themselves, she could really move a track.

Rlenhart - on corn field races, she's been know to shut-up and fall treed, and like you I would welcome that silence before she dropped the hammer. But that always happened on the edge of the field, not a mile away.

Sounds like she's not acting that differently from what she used to do when the tracks get tough, these coon just cover a lot more ground! just hadn't looked at it that way, because of the distances being covered.

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Posted by Ray&Luie on 05-15-2015 07:58 PM:

traveling

I think your going to find out the coon travel a lot more down here than they did up north, mostly because of the food supply thing . I wouldn't cull her just yet
you7 might even get on an old boar during rut that might really take for a ride lol

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Posted by nitehunter2004 on 05-15-2015 08:03 PM:

David iv brought several dogs from Ohio to NC, i can tell this it takes awhile for them to adjuste, some never did, if she's not coming up short and is working the track she should adjust fine, good luck.

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