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I just don’t know anymore.

People wanting silent dogs, to tree coons faster and have a better chance to be alone on a tree, and not slick treeing. Deep and alone, wanting dogs to hunt alone, evening shocking a dog for covering another dog. Slick treeing, I never dreamed I would have trouble with a dog treeing too much. I hate slick treeing dogs, but that’s what I got. Dog are being breed for this. This is all for competition hunting. For what? Just to put a title on a dog’s ped, or to win a world hunt. Do you really think you will win a world hunt? What are the odds of you winning the world hunt?What has the sport of coon hunting come too. Do I really want to competition hunt? Yes I want to competition hunt, but I pleasure hunt a lot more than compete. The titles, Nitech, and Grnitech, do they mean anything? I know, when I buy a pup, I want to see it. But was the Sire and Dam silent trailing, slick treeing, deep and alone type dogs? Is that something I want for myself? No,but thats all we have to go on. I want a dog that is open on a track, trees with company or alone, and has a coon when he does. I still like pleasure hunt, to hear a good race, and walk to the tree with my hunting buddy.

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There's still more people out there that want the same thing than you think "I know I do". Allot of people are just full of BS about comp hunting. To hear people talk if your dog didn't make NITECH within 3 hunts it's a piece of crap and that's just boloney. Maybe you do need those deep and alone, slick treeing idiots at the higher level "I don't know" but at most of the hunts I go to a good dog that always has fur when it trees is still going to win more often than the idiots do. IMO

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Originally posted by BigContry
People wanting silent dogs, to tree coons faster and have a better chance to be alone on a tree, and not slick treeing. Deep and alone, wanting dogs to hunt alone, evening shocking a dog for covering another dog. Slick treeing, I never dreamed I would have trouble with a dog treeing too much. I hate slick treeing dogs, but that’s what I got. Dog are being breed for this. This is all for competition hunting. For what? Just to put a title on a dog’s ped, or to win a world hunt. Do you really think you will win a world hunt? What are the odds of you winning the world hunt?What has the sport of coon hunting come too. Do I really want to competition hunt? Yes I want to competition hunt, but I pleasure hunt a lot more than compete. The titles, Nitech, and Grnitech, do they mean anything? I know, when I buy a pup, I want to see it. But was the Sire and Dam silent trailing, slick treeing, deep and alone type dogs? Is that something I want for myself? No,but thats all we have to go on. I want a dog that is open on a track, trees with company or alone, and has a coon when he does. I still like pleasure hunt, to hear a good race, and walk to the tree with my hunting buddy.

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It's like a lot of things...too much of moving in one direction because that gets a win eventually catches up with them. Dogs that wont hunt together, dogs that have way too much tree power and tree slick or fight at the tree, no mouth, not open on trail, keep on going and wont come to you when you call them, wild idiots...it may equal a win in a nite hunt but it wont equal the type of dog most of us want.
All that crazy dog stuff might get more wins, but they are not unbeatable. I always say that the best coon dogs I ever saw were not necessarily exciting. They weren't blast off fast and they weren't blow down tree dogs, but they always had the coon and that more than anything is wha tit takes to win.
Trying to pleasure hunt or get any kind of enjoyment at all out of one of these type dogs is like trying to take a Sunday drive in a jet powered funny car. It's the same way with horses...imagine trying to trail ride a triple crown winner.

I think you'll find the less you are able to stroll with a hunting buddy to a tree the more coons you'll see.

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I want my dogs to hunt together as a pack. If and when I go to the tree, I want to see all of there. when I go looking for them I want to find all of them at one time. Last night mine got out of radio range so fast I didnt know where they were. So all I could do was start driving around. After a while I saw, way down the road, their lights flashing together. What a sight that was. Caught both at one time and went home.

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I have a question, if you bought a pup who turned out to be deadly accurate, pretty much silent on track, nice tree dog with brains, kennel quiet, had all the goods and was exceptionaly good on treeing coons close and far, and was a dead loner....would you honestly get rid of him? Not being smart or tryin to start a fight

How come my hound usually trees more coons than a hole pack can. You want dogs to work together be on same tree and always see coons. Don't work that way. This subject has been beat to death. If I've got to have a pack to tree a coon I have no dog power. I can tree a lot more coon if one trees a coon and by the time I get to them another dog has another one treed somewhere else. You unsnap 4 dogs together that hustle and don't pay attention to each other they will very rarely be on a tree together anyway. I mean 4 dogs that are deaf. A real coon dog should have treeing coons on there mind when there turned loose not what another dog is doing. If that's what you like then hunt it. A hound don't have to be on a couple of trees in a cast with no coon seen that they backed on then they will have a new owner fast.

I don't know this for a fact, but I'm assuming you hunt walkers. Don't get me wrong all breeds have problems, but the things you describe seem to be more Walker oriented. I got sick of it and switched to blueticks and black and tans. I've had a few black and tans with these problems as well so now I tend to keep more blue dogs than I used to. Since I switched I havent had these issues. Like I said before all breeds have certain hitches about them that turn some people off, not to say that there aren't dogs like you describe in every breed, but some breeds are bred more geared to comp hunting. In my experience it takes a hard going, independent, one bark tree dog to consistently win hunts. When people breed for this there are going to be home run hounds that don't miss much and have everything you want, but the majority will have a fault like slick treeing or aggression. Not every pup in a litter turns out, and when you breed for these extreme traits you'll have extreme faults as well. It's all about what you're willing to put up with and what you want in a hound. I like my blue dogs and I'm going to start breeding for a happy medium. A dog that can win some hunts, but is still a pleasure to hunt during the week. Who knows how successful I'll be, but that's my goal and I think I have a good starting point in the hounds I currently own. I hope you find whatever you're looking for in the breed of your choosing. All this is just my opinion based on the 10 or so years that I've been hunting.

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Originally posted by dchartt
I have a question, if you bought a pup who turned out to be deadly accurate, pretty much silent on track, nice tree dog with brains, kennel quiet, had all the goods and was exceptionaly good on treeing coons close and far, and was a dead loner....would you honestly get rid of him? Not being smart or tryin to start a fight

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Originally posted by dchartt
I have a question, if you bought a pup who turned out to be deadly accurate, pretty much silent on track, nice tree dog with brains, kennel quiet, had all the goods and was exceptionaly good on treeing coons close and far, and was a dead loner....would you honestly get rid of him? Not being smart or tryin to start a fight

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how is it every time one of these come up a walker dog is always the prob dog. i have hunted with alot of slick treeing crazy in the head dogs of all breeds.. all breeds.. i hunted with a bluetick 4 weeks ago that ran all night making trees 8 ths of a mile away an they were slick trees.. so its not all just walker dogs.... i no u said u have had a few blues an blk n tans do it to , but walkers always get bad rap... an to origanal poster.. i agree 100 percent.. i like same things in a dog

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Originally posted by walkerman75
how is it every time one of these come up a walker dog is always the prob dog. i have hunted with alot of slick treeing crazy in the head dogs of all breeds.. all breeds.. i hunted with a bluetick 4 weeks ago that ran all night making trees 8 ths of a mile away an they were slick trees.. so its not all just walker dogs.... i no u said u have had a few blues an blk n tans do it to , but walkers always get bad rap... an to origanal poster.. i agree 100 percent.. i like same things in a dog

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I ain't bad mouthing any dog in particular fellas. I don't know how you got that from my original post, beats the heck out of me. I've seen some walkers go that I'd love to own. Heck I owned one that I'd love to have back. I was just making a generalization about what I've seen in the breed as a WHOLE. Walkers are just bred different than other breeds and nobody can deny that. Too each his own. I've been beat by some nice walkers and I've also been beat by some sorry ones. The sorry ones were tree monsters and with the leaves on there was no way to minus them. If you make 10 trees in a 2 hour hunt around here I guarantee you won't tree 10 coons. There's just not that many around here, period. It's funny though when the leaves are off you don't see those dogs in the hunts anymore. Like I said before, and I'll say it again, I'm not bad mouthing walkers. That's all I used to hunt. I loved them, but my objectives as a coonhunter have changed and tree happy get deep in a hurry dogs don't fit what I want in a dog anymore. No doubt walkers serve their purpose. If you want to win hunts no matter what, it's easier to find a walker to fit the bill than any other breed. I just stopped worrying about racking up points in the summer and started worrying about what was up the tree in the winter. Found some dogs I liked better and switched. Once again, too each his own my friends.

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Originally posted by RLenhart
Bad mouthin them somehow makes them feel better about it when they get beat by one on sat night! LOL

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Originally posted by BigContry
I wasn't bad mouthing any dog but my own. And my dog AINT a walker. I'm just frustrated with my dog. Had so much hope for him. He started split treeing away from the other dogs at 7 months. He don't care what anything else is doing, but don't have meat most of the time.

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I didn't really see where anybody was bad mouthing walkers on this thread I just assumed walkerman75 was making a generalized statement about walkers getting ripped on all the time. I never get upset about stuff like that anyhow. I just throw some digs back at the other breeds when I get the chance "It's all in fun".

my 2 cents

nite hunts and nite hunt rules dictate how most of our dogs are bred. if you don't want a dog with nite hunt faults don't buy a pup bred for nite hunts. buy a pup bred to be a coon hunters type coondog.
nite hunt dogs are bred to be fast,, with speed you lose accuracy.
usually if you can accept having a dog with papers that say pr so and so more than gr nite ch so and so you will find a dog more suited for what you are wanting.
like HOBO stated above, the type of dogs you are wanting are out here, you just gotta know where to look.
when you ask whats your dogs out of and the ole boy says "just a couple ole dogs" that's the ones you need to be looking at. that don't mean they are less a coondog, it means they are probly more of what type you want in a dog for real deal coon hunting..
problem is even the most die hard coonhunters want a dog they can brag on about what famous dogs its out of.

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I agree we all love to poke fun. If we didn't we wouldn't be coonhunters. Walkerman did say "you" and then pointed out something I said specifically in my post. I just wanted to let people know where I was coming from, because some people do just get on here bash other breeds. That in my opinion is ridiculous and uncalled for. Didn't want people to think I was one of those. There's good and bad in every breed and it's important to do your homework on the bloodlines of different breeds when choosing a pup/old dog more so than looking at the breed as a whole. Making sure that you have the training tools and time necessary to properly train a dog with certain traits is also very important in acquiring the desired finished product. While looking at different lines in a breed is the best way to make sure you find a dog with the traits you like, it isn't always the easiest. For the every now and then not so serious coonhunter generalizing a breeds traits may be the best option to find a dog you can enjoy. They're all different. Do your homework if you can, if not, do the best you can.

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Last 2 ive had are trailing loud mouthed idiots and I cant stand it. Yeah they have a coon most of the time when they finally tree. I like a Treeeeeee dog myself. I can knock one off the wood. I cant put it on there.

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Toe cutter made a great point. I agree 100%

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People like different kinds of dogs. Go hunting with a variety of dogs and then when you see what you truly like, get a pup from them. Or buy one already started or already treeing lots of coons.

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I don't understand how slick trees and nitehunts go hand in hand.
I never could win much with a slick tree'r.

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I don't understand how slick trees and nitehunts go hand in hand.
I never could win much with a slick tree'r.

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