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Posted by Rocketman55 on 04-29-2015 10:06 PM:

What to do for the hyper humper??

Looking for some ideas as to what (if anything) you all have done to correct the hyper humping pup? Now I have been training dogs for 40 years but today I have a 9-10 month old pup that is so very hyper about humping that he will actually be trying to mount when dogs are running track.

This is the worst pup I have ever seen with this condition. He will absolutely try to pull your arm out of socket to stay with any female in the group. I have considered the shocking collar and bumping him every time he attempts to smell the south side of a female but having NO experience with doing this, thought I might ask if anybody else has tried this or what it is that works the best for a pup wired tight to reproduce, LOL.

On another note, are their any thoughts as to what (if any) correlation folks have seen from pups with this condition coming from stud dogs that are being bred heavily??

Just curious??

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Posted by yadkintar on 04-29-2015 10:14 PM:

You put him with the right female she will make him stop !!!!

Posted by msinc on 04-30-2015 02:13 AM:

You can try a collar...it's kind of like tree fighting, when you are not there....he's gonna pretty much do what he wants. I think about the only way to positively cure it is castration, but then you cant show the dog or breed him. If he's that bad he probably shouldn't be bred anyway.
Then again, that is kind of young and I have always heard {FWIW} that it was a dominance thing, not so much a breeding thing. I think if it was me I would ask the vet before doing anything too rash just yet.
And yeah, the right female will make him stop...with her....next one is fair game...just like me in Mexico!!!!!

Posted by H. L. Meyer on 04-30-2015 02:16 AM:

Are U sure

That U can't show a nutered dog?

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Posted by groworg1 on 04-30-2015 02:23 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
You put him with the right female she will make him stop !!!!

Posted by msinc on 04-30-2015 02:23 AM:

Re: Are U sure

[QUOTE]Originally posted by H. L. Meyer
That U can't show a nutered dog? [/QUOTE

Maybe, I don't know, they have to have two normally decended testicles, how would you know???...I do know this...you for certain cant show one that is tryin to hump up on everything in the show!!!!!!!

Posted by msinc on 04-30-2015 02:24 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
You put him with the right female she will make him stop !!!!

X2????? What are you gonna do??? Hunt him with THAT female the rest of his life?????

Posted by msinc on 04-30-2015 02:28 AM:

Re: Are U sure

quote:
Originally posted by H. L. Meyer
That U can't show a nutered dog?

nutered..."neutered"

Rule 22..."A male shall be disqualified if monorchid or cryptorchid {lacking two normally decended testicles in the scrotum}"

Posted by H. L. Meyer on 04-30-2015 03:01 AM:

OK U winnnnnnnnnn

BUT maybe checking the coonhound advisor may shed some more light on your answer. BUT what do I know

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Posted by Terry Dye on 04-30-2015 03:21 AM:

Been my experience that at that age it is most likely his hormones just begining to direct his actions. I have owned several that started humping at around 8-10 months of age and about the only thing that I have found that will cure it is age. After their hormones level off at about 13 months, mine have usually completely forgot about doing it. I would guess it's much like a teenage boy who first starts to notice that girls aren't nearly as yucky as they once thought they were. LOL It can really be a pain in the butt for you and others that you hunt with, but I have never been able to totally cure it. Only time will. I know others will have different opinions, but this is mine. Good luck

Posted by DFred on 04-30-2015 04:02 AM:

At the very end of the bench show section of the rulebook it says "Note: Spayed and neutered dogs may compete in all UKC Licensed Coonhound Events, including bench shows, nite hunts, water races, and field trials."

Sorry but I have no answer for the humping.

Posted by msinc on 04-30-2015 12:23 PM:

Re: OK U winnnnnnnnnn

quote:
Originally posted by H. L. Meyer
BUT maybe checking the coonhound advisor may shed some more light on your answer. BUT what do I know

No...I do not win. You are correct. I don't know what year UKC changed it, but as posted there is a bold type bordered "flag" in the rule book that says spayed or neutered dogs may now compete in all UKC events.
It was never previously allowed and bench show judges were required to check females for a spay scar.
If you knew that why didn't you just say "check page 51 at the bottom"????????????? Would have been a lot simpler.

"But what do I know??" Well, we don't know what you know because you refuse to tell us!!!!! I might be a lot of things but too old to learn aint one of them!!

Posted by Rocketman55 on 04-30-2015 04:10 PM:

What to do?

Thanks to all for your responses. Especially so, to those that were able to stay on topic so to speak.

Mr Terry Dye, I appreciate your input and will see where this pup is at after about 14 months. I hope he quits on his own but like you said. I sure is making it rough on some of my hunting buddies hounds as my old female that I would normally be hunting with him is laid up from falling out of a tree.

This pup sure has a strong desire to stay with the older dogs and especially so if that older dog is a female. Maybe I should start hunting him with male dogs (only) for a bit. That might change his mind some, LOL!!

Posted by pttm08 on 04-30-2015 06:12 PM:

I probably haven't raised as many dogs as many of you however I do like to study about dog behavior. After 6 months a male will have tendencies for "breeding" to a female however if one is not in heat then leads to frustration. I had a female that would stand as long as the pup wanted to hump and then back herself back up to him when he jumped off of her. She was a very flirty female. I put them in adjoining lots and ran a piece of electric fence on his side of the lot. Anytime she would back up or try to tease him he got a shocking surprise. It took about two weeks and when I finally let them out together he had no interest in playing her games.lol. Now with him that was the only female he would try it with. The gyp I have now he never pays attention too. But this is also a couple months down the road as well.
To me alot of the general humping especially with male to males is a dominance thing and with females it is like a teenage boy in a room with a hot super model.
Just my two cents.

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Posted by joey on 04-30-2015 06:23 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by msinc
You can try a collar...it's kind of like tree fighting, when you are not there....he's gonna pretty much do what he wants.

I enjoy your comments they are well thought out but I cant agree with this one. If that was true then we couldn't break them from anything or they would just do it when we are not around.

With this pup time will help but so will the collar and the right older female.

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Posted by Ky Show Girl on 04-30-2015 09:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by joey
I enjoy your comments they are well thought out but I cant agree with this one. If that was true then we couldn't break them from anything or they would just do it when we are not around.

With this pup time will help but so will the collar and the right older female.

huh just let the collar do the dirty work for every thing and he will be use to it when you need it.

Posted by Ky Show Girl on 04-30-2015 09:58 PM:

Re: Are U sure

quote:
Originally posted by H. L. Meyer
That U can't show a nutered dog?

1 question sir which dog do you thank has more brains the
1 doing the humping or the 1 letting it?to me it seems both or enjoying it.

Posted by ole hoss on 04-30-2015 10:07 PM:

I use the color on all mine when smelling dogs. When others are getting to know each other I'm struck and treed. Can't stand a dog trien to sniff every dog in a cast.

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Posted by msinc on 04-30-2015 10:08 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by joey
I enjoy your comments they are well thought out but I cant agree with this one. If that was true then we couldn't break them from anything or they would just do it when we are not around.

With this pup time will help but so will the collar and the right older female.

I agree 100%...you absolutely can break any dog from anything you need to with a collar. Permanent and for good, whether you are there or not. Turn the juice up and do it long enough and you can probably get the dog to shuffle and deal cards...pain is a very powerful thing. I know this well, been married 118 years now. She's not completely mean, we have two kids, but she is real mean most of the time.
What I am saying is that the average person with a young dog will take a collar and get him to stop. The dog knows the trainer is doing it and he also figures out that he can still get away with it when you are not there.
How many times have you seen a dog that really loves to run a deer shut up and go out of range of the old collars before he would blast off and open on it???? And never even give one a second thought when you turn him out on a deer.
No, humping doesn't totally compare to tree fighting in most dogs, but I have seen them where only castration will fix it.

Posted by Fisher13 on 05-01-2015 05:34 AM:

Hunting him with males is avoiding the issue not correcting it. Put him out in the yard in the day time with a female. Sit and watch, relax. Every time he does it nick him. If he doesn't get the point, raise the stimulation.

Once he has gotten the point. Do the same thing the next day, and the next and the next. Until.. you let him out in the yard and he doesn't do it anymore.

During this time avoid hunting him. Or hunt him by himself. Allowing him to get away with the behavior before the habit is broken, while he is out of your sight, will only teach him to get away with it, when your not looking.
If you wait to let him out of your sight, after the habit is already broken, you won't have anything to worry about.

Typically it takes around 14 days to break a habit.

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Posted by S.S. Kennels on 05-01-2015 03:00 PM:

This is the reason I like females lol...don't have to worry about that crazy junk unless it's somebody else's dog trying to do it to mine lol all jokes aside good luck with getting him broke from it

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Posted by Rocketman55 on 05-02-2015 02:32 AM:

Thanks Fisher13, What you are suggesting sounds reasonable to me. I will try that.

Posted by nicanthony28 on 05-02-2015 05:11 AM:

I had a male pup a lot like that too. He'd try and mount on to females that were running track or even treed. What worked for me was putting him and the female in a pin together and whenever he'd jump on her I'd hit him off. After a couple good corrections he got the point and left her alone.

Posted by skeets on 05-02-2015 08:08 AM:

if he was mine i would hunt him by hisself and hunt him alot.from what ive seen nothing makes a dog mature faster then hunting them hard. good luck with him.

Posted by blackflagginit on 05-02-2015 05:00 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
You put him with the right female she will make him stop !!!!

not only will she make him stop that night, she will teach him to mind his manners around everything else.

no different than a young stud horse who "just came of age".......stick him with an old mare who ISNT in heat and she will administer an old fashioned "come to jesus meetin" that will teach him to keep his pride tied until the situation warrants it

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