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Posted by john Duemmer on 12-25-2014 01:55 AM:

A Different dog food thread

After hearing of the passing of Mojo at 8, and the fact that the best dog i ever owned is also 8 and i would like to have a few more years with him got me to thinking that we always talk dogfood based on a dogs performance with little thought about what kind of a diet will help keep them healthy over the long haul. Im sure genetics play a large role in a dogs lifespan ,but just like we know that eating right will help us live longer i suspect that there is an optimum balance in dogfood that would contribute to longevity in our dogs.
I know guys that feed the cheapest stuff they can buy and their dogs seem to keep on ticking at 13 or 14 years old, makes me wonder if all the real high protien and fat feeds we use dont take a toll on a dogs lifespan?

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Posted by garminguru on 12-25-2014 05:34 AM:

Interesting thought, I don't know.
Take my obese neighbor for instance. Has not struck a lick in years, will barely walk 20 yards out to the mailbox, has the worst diet in the world and completely out of control diabetes, not to mention a prescription medication addiction but his younger brother who was exactly the opposite of him died about 15 years ago with a heart attack.
What kind of sense does that make?

There are many things that can cause a human to die immediately and abruptly, regardless of current health, diet, exercise regime, family history etc. I would imagine animals are the same way.

Posted by Fisher13 on 12-25-2014 05:51 AM:

No idea, I would suspect someone that has worked in this field would have some in sight.

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Posted by Surveyor on 12-25-2014 07:24 AM:

Had one die at 17 1/2 this year. She ate Purina dog chow her whole life. People say that is low quality feed, but it seems to do right by my pack!

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Posted by GA DAWG on 12-25-2014 02:29 PM:

Had to put my old rat female down. 13. Got to where age couldnt eat. I fed so many different things over her lifetime. Dont know what it did. I guess she ate more black gold than anything else.

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Posted by Janet Kirkes on 12-25-2014 03:10 PM:

Purina products

We have 3 dogs right now over 14+ years old. A B&T male, a daughter of Stylish Rank and a minature poodle. All 3 of these dogs have been on Pro Plan their whole life. Before Purina came out with Pro Plan Performance, we fed Purina Dog Chow and Hi Pro. Never had any problems. Honestly I think animals are just like people, a lot depends on genetics. Some are just prone to shorter lives due to things they inherited from the parents they are out of. I will always ask or check on sire and dam health issues when buying a new pup or grown dog.

I guess if a person feeds a good quality feed, provides them with fresh water and takes care of their medical needs...they will be around for a long time.

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Posted by jdgher on 12-25-2014 03:33 PM:

Taken care of

I had one that was well taken care of. Fed Purina Dog chow most of his life. Died at 8 years old. He seemed to age fast from 5 to 8 years old (had arthritis pretty bad). In his younger years he got hunted hard. During his life I was on a weekend shift at work, so I had 4 days off every week. I think I wore him out, like a high mileage car. Part of it I'm sure was genetics though too.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 12-25-2014 03:46 PM:

Re: Taken care of

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I had one that was well taken care of. Fed Purina Dog chow most of his life. Died at 8 years old. He seemed to age fast from 5 to 8 years old (had arthritis pretty bad). In his younger years he got hunted hard. During his life I was on a weekend shift at work, so I had 4 days off every week. I think I wore him out, like a high mileage car. Part of it I'm sure was genetics though too.

I hunted mine till she was nearly 11. Ran across a rough dog in a hunt. Cut her wide open from neck to top of leg. That was when she started going down hill. Like she never really got over it. I dont think the food had much to do with it. This natural stuff is fairly new to everybody though. If dogs start dying earlier than they use to.I guess its not as good as everyone thinks. Only time will tell.

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Posted by Craig Cooper on 12-25-2014 05:28 PM:

There is a lot more to a dogs health than just the dog food. Are they given heartworm prevention?Are they wormed out regularly ? Do they have access to freshwater? Do they have dry bedding to sleep on and a good dry dog house to sleep in? Also they need flea and tick control too. Every dog is different. One dog food might work well for one dog but not for another dog. Just my opinion. I feed Purina Pro Plan by the way. Good stuff. At least it is for my dogs. MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Posted by Stan Ferrell on 12-25-2014 05:32 PM:

I have fed all types of dog foods. I have had mine custom made and pelleted using ingredients at the local feed mill, have feed corn based dog foods and am currently feeding a very good all meat. I have had dogs die at 7 years but most at 14 + or -.
I believe it is body condition that ultimately has the most to do with life expectancy. Fat dogs just seem to die younger. I have found that it is generally easier for a dog to get fat on cheaper corn and soybean dogfood than on a topshelf meatbased one.
Feeding a hound during season is easy, feeding them in the offseason is tough.

Posted by robert whitten on 12-25-2014 08:58 PM:

the good ones all ways die young . my moms old dogs a border collie and a healer cross of some sort lived way beyond normal dog years . ate cheap dog food were never wormed or treated for heat worms never had a shot of any kind roamed free all their lives in fact never even came close to getting a bath or a flea dip .

so I guess you just never know when they'll go , I do all I can to keep a hound happy and fit and just hope it's enough .

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Posted by kayapellijed390 on 12-25-2014 11:01 PM:

Crossbred dogs are usually healthier.... Maybe it isn't the food.....

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Posted by Scary Creek on 12-25-2014 11:30 PM:

Just a thought but I think clean water has a lot to do with it . A lot of nasty stuff can get in water , I clean my buckets out once a week and give fresh water every other day and when I say fresh I mean dump it out no matter how full and fill it up . I've got my Megan dog on purina cause I don't hunt her no more and the other two that's in the woods every week I've got on southern states advantage 24/20 . But seems to me it's just a gamble when it's their time it's their time . One of my best died at 5 years old healthy as anything . Seems a lot of stud dogs die around 8 though and most are just in the pin breeding and not being hunted much dunno if that has to do with it or not ?

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Posted by hillbilly56 on 12-25-2014 11:50 PM:

jmo

dogs ae like people some age quicker than others i would say this dog was hunted all his life and he just got broke down and his body and system aged up in yrs past his actual age even though he had the best of care

Posted by Cleo on 12-26-2014 10:55 AM:

Toucan Sam has a tumor in his lung. Has been diagnosed for 4 years. His lungs are full of fluid and is on some meds that cost more then our car payment every month.

He lives on the outside just like the rest of our hounds. He eats Diamond dog feed and gets treats just like all the rest.

I have no idea what has given him the will to live and his drive to stay alive but he sure has it. We know he won't be here forever but I'm amazed he's hung on this long. Its in his heart I think. He just has a really strong heart.

Its sure hard to say goodbye to them.

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Posted by Cleo on 12-26-2014 10:58 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by kayapellijed390
Crossbred dogs are usually healthier.... Maybe it isn't the food.....

What makes you believe that?

Posted by CSnowgren on 12-26-2014 02:07 PM:

Health

While food no doubt plays a role, I would guess that there is a lot more factors that play a role in longevity. I try to avoid families with recent cancer and other health issues. No sense in stacking the odds against you.

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Posted by Triple K Kennel on 12-26-2014 07:15 PM:

Dogs and death.......

This is just my opinion.......
The Stud dogs that continue to be hunted seem to last longer than the ones that are stuck in the breeding pen and that's all the excersize they get.
I have to give credit to the guys that keep hunting them, like Bryan Whitted & Mr. Clean, Like Big D, etc., etc.

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Posted by kayapellijed390 on 12-26-2014 08:14 PM:

quote:
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What makes you believe that?

Science..... Look it up.....

Posted by Cleo on 12-26-2014 10:41 PM:

Well actually I am writing a paper on it.

healthypet.mercola.com just off the top of my head disagrees.

Dr Karen Beckers
On June 1, 2013 Journal of American Vet Med Ast. Disagrees

I wasn't trying to be smart or disrespectful. That's why I asked.

Personally if that's what floats ppls boats go for it. Ppl are making a killing of breeding mutts and putting a new name on them.

Posted by hillbilly56 on 12-27-2014 01:48 AM:

cleo

think what he is saying and from my expernice of 50 yrs haveing dogs and horses you take a mixed up dog most never have issues like a purebred dog seems like the reg dogs get sick and alot more health problems than a mixed up dog jmo

Posted by john Duemmer on 12-27-2014 01:57 AM:

Another generality that holds true is that the bigger the dog the shorter the lifespan..... but i am more interested in finding weather any research has been done on the effect of diet on lifespan.

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Posted by Fisher13 on 12-27-2014 03:30 PM:

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
Another generality that holds true is that the bigger the dog the shorter the lifespan..... but i am more interested in finding weather any research has been done on the effect of diet on lifespan.

You mean "Whether"

I'm sure there has been John, as we all know, dog food is a million dollar industry. I know Purina and other major companies spend billions on coming up with cost effective but nutritional dog food. I'm not sure those findings would be made public. Best place to look would probably a vet schools some where, I'm sure many papers and lectures have been on this subject.

I know the main difference in senior dog food, is lower fat and protein. To prevent probably what the biggest issue with older dogs, which is being overweight. Hard on there joints,heart etc etc. I would imagine they probably also add glucosamine and other supplements to help with joints and such. I would imagine most hunting dogs are in better physical shape then most,and therefore probably are much better off then most pets.

I don't think a higher protein and higher fat diet would lead to a shorten life span unless, there overweight. I think self feeders could compared to a measured amount. Dog food even moderately priced ones are filled with a moderate amount of grain based fillers or oat fillers or whatever. So last time I checked a wild dog would for the most part eat fish and meat, so I cant see how a adding protien could be a bad thing. If it was I would expect it to see it show up in there liver enzymes.

I guess a point could be made maybe dry dog food verse a raw diet. I think that would be an interesting studies, but I also agree with the other posters with that there are many other factors at play.

I believe the best you can do for an old dog, would be to feed a senior feed, and make sure there not getting to much, and there weight is in check. Also extra warmth.
I recently bought a hound heater and love it. Might want to consider that.
On a more positive note, if you have the means, you could get him cloned in south Korea for about 50 grand.

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Posted by on 12-27-2014 04:53 PM:

I feel if you averaged the life span of hunting dogs and compared the north to the south. Dogs down here would show a lower life span.

Posted by Jackson87 on 12-27-2014 05:29 PM:

My buddy in Indiana feeds his dogs Duralife.Its the cheapest junk food you can buy.His dogs are like 11 or 12 and I say every year they prolly won't live threw another winter.Yet every year I go over to hunt they are still there.lol....I'm pretty shocked that Mojo died so young cause Id bet he was feed top of the line feed and taking care of better than most. Heck it's pretty common to hear of people in there 30's and 40's having heart attacks.So dogs can't be much differant.

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