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I've seen people advertise there dogs off of other dogs that's are 4 and 5 generations back in their pedigree... why? What traits do you think a dog reproduces from its great great grandparents unless its heavy inbreeding? I guess I'm more educated than some on genetics but just seeking the opinions of others..

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Think it sounds good? lol

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I agree

Sounds good!

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seriously

odviously u don't understand genetics.

I'm not sure with a comment like that you're qualified to argue with me on the subject.. Anything past 3 generations we're talking around 6% and then it waters down to around 3%.. So give me an educated answer on what you think a dog really benefits from the 4th generation back.

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guess i may pull some more frozen out,out in 3 back in

Jon, I believe they include that imfo because they feel potential buyers want that imfo whether they really need it or not. They know if they don't include it, they will receive 26 emails asking for it.

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Originally posted by JiM
Jon, I believe they include that imfo because they feel potential buyers want that imfo whether they really need it or not. They know if they don't include it, they will receive 26 emails asking for it.

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jon how do explain throwbacks then ? the redbone pup that looks like a black and tan or a liver colored bluetick or a calico ear on a walker pup that hasn't been seen for generations ! what would you consider the difference between inbreeding and line breeding ?

Well I never said its not possible to get traits from past generations. Line breeding is inbreeding isn't it? If you were to breed your great aunt or your cousin wouldn't that be inbreeding? The reason that inbred dogs benefit from ancestors is because common sense and simple math will tell you that increases your odds of getting those traits down the line..

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just courious if past generations dont matter? do future genertions matter? do u breed for traits u wont in ur hounds? or do u just take whatever traits come down the road?

ha if u don't want them traits showing up in ur hounds? explain to me how do u keep away from it?

It's a compound effect, the genetics from 8 generations ago may not mean anything, but I'd people are more familiar with those hounds they can get an idea of what their offspring were like and let that trickle down to the modern generations.

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Some of the great great grandparents are responsible for the the current offspring. Problem is if you don't know what they were, then you don't know if it's the traits your hoping for. Line and inbreeding increases the odds of a certain group of traits showing up both good and bad.

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jimmywayne

6% is better than 0%. Some of those traits would also have been passed down to dogs that are closer in the pedigree, making the chance of seeing some of the desired traits even more likely.

The whole point of this thread was I see dogs advertised on the board as say a double nailor bred hound. Then you click on the post and there is ole nailor followed by 3 generations of yard dogs.. In that case who cares about nailor.. Did he have an impact on those hounds? Maybe? Maybe not so much.. If I'm buting a dog I'm worried about what the sire and dam reproduced. Not based on one famous dog 20years back..

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I undertand ur point. now with ur example in mind. the double nailor 3 generations back it is very possiable that the nailor traits that ur interested in could be there in the pup. also the direct pup out of nailor maynot carry the traits u wanted.

that's what makes breeding a spin of the wheel.

i have a female that gets her tree style from a male 8 generations back(ozark preacher). He is only in the pedigree one time, but i have no idea how many dogs in between her and preacher that carried the same trait. That is the purpose of putting the same dog in the pedigree multiple times to lock in them traits that you are looking for many generations back

i know

what hes sayin, i've seen threads that say grnitech so and so for sale, and you click on the thread and its some pr dog thats out of that dog or grandson to that dog, which is worse than what he's sayin really

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Originally posted by chip johnson
i have a female that gets her tree style from a male 8 generations back(ozark preacher). He is only in the pedigree one time, but i have no idea how many dogs in between her and preacher that carried the same trait. That is the purpose of putting the same dog in the pedigree multiple times to lock in them traits that you are looking for many generations back

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I'll give my opinion

it's because they don't plan on hunting the pup anyway. It makes them feel good when they sit around shooting the bull and can say my dog goes back to such and such. There's not much else to talk about (other than the papers) when you don't hunt a dog.

Its because its a cull and that's the only chance in crap they got at getting rid of it. That's why.

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anything farther back than 3 gen is a waste of time. Like when i see an ad on a 'stud' dog that says old blood up close!
Then you look and they have a 5 gen pedigree posted! I could say the same thing about my dog to big deal. Shoot hardwood bozo is in my dogs 4th generation so that means i got old blood up close! Its a joke.

some breeders are close minded and short sighted. its no wounder we have the flavor of the month problem. or maybe im lookin to far into the future. flavor of the week.

By Jon "The whole point of this thread was I see dogs advertised on the board as say a double nailor bred hound. Then you click on the post and there is ole nailor followed by 3 generations of yard dogs.. In that case who cares about nailor.. Did he have an impact on those hounds? Maybe? Maybe not so much.. If I'm buting a dog I'm worried about what the sire and dam reproduced. Not based on one famous dog 20years back"

I hear what you are saying. I guess the point I want to make is that I believe in looking for the traits of the dogs that are in the pedigree more so than where their names are. However I also believe that the more their names are there the higher the likelihood that their traits will be there, both good and bad.