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What is my dog running??

My dog is 6 yrs old and broke coondog! been running him with my freinds puppy and about 2 weeks ago they took off on a chase for about 900 yds at 4 mph according to my garmin. they went up a mountain about 300yds then parralled the top for another 600. my dog treed but wasn't on a tree just baying. Both dogs are giving alot of mouth on the track and don't do this with a coon. It has happened 3 diffrent nights now at two diffrent farms. I know for a fact they don't run deer or coyotes!!! (Trust me). Is it a bobcat or bear. when i get to my dog he comes to me holding his head down like he knows it s wrong but my buddys puppy runs whatever it is alot better than its running coons. Never experinced this before. any advice will be much appreciated. My dog has been doing good and now its like this puppy is ruining him.

When he trees a coon he barks around 110-120 b.p.m. and will not leave tree. Im gona try to borrow a e collar and shock him next time but will that do me any good if my freinds dog still running it ?

Take him out by himself and see what he does without the pup

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When i take him by hiself he does fine. But the boy i hunt with is my hunting partner and we always hunt together. I have tried to be as nice about it as i can but told him he has to do something about the puppy before its too late. Is there anyway i can make him more independent where he won't honor her on a trash track??

We have a name for it !!

My hunting buddy calls it a "AUTAGOOD" goes something like this.
Bud they are opening reasl good on this track, yesser smoking this one, man they are treed let's go, Get there and nothin then he says hum must been running one of them AUTAGOODS again. You know the way were running, it AUTA BE GOOD but it aint. Now this ain't just black dogs doing this he hunts walkers and you know them walkers they ALLWAYS beat black dogs to the tree. AUTABEGOOD hummmmm.

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Originally posted by Bfreeman
When i take him by hiself he does fine. But the boy i hunt with is my hunting partner and we always hunt together. I have tried to be as nice about it as i can but told him he has to do something about the puppy before its too late. Is there anyway i can make him more independent where he won't honor her on a trash track??

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I would bet a bobcat. Thinking a bayed bear you would hear? I ran a bobcat here in Ohio 2 years ago.. got a dog killed crossing a road and it was fully broke( guess bobcats are rare here.. still consider it broke).. But when Bobcat breeding season came in, never ran a track like that again... Might have been a tom and went looking for a girlfriend and never came back?
The reason we know it was a bobcat, a local farmer lost over 20 chickens to what he thought was a fox till it snowed and we found tracks in the snow and a chicken a tree...
It would take tremendous willpower on the dogs part NOT to run a bobcat.. natural prey for a dog.. no matter what the breed... from poodle to Rottweiler.. and everything in between

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Thank everyone for there help please keep opinions coming i am open for anything!! There are alot of bobcats where we hunt in the mountains. I geuss the only thing i can do is keep a shock collar on him.

I dont consider a dog to be trully broke unless they won't run trash even if all the other dogs are. Kinda like a good kid running with the wrong crowd. If they where by themselves or hunting with good broke dogs they would never run trash but put them in with a young trashy pup and sometimes they just can't resist. Just keep hunting him with your buddy's dog and work on breaking him. As far as the pup goes running a little fast game isn't gonna hurt him for a little while, heck he just might learn a thing or two about RUNNING a track. My guess is if you get your old dog broke that pup will prolly get bored with running trash and come in and cover your old dogs trees. Once you get your old dog really broke lend the collar to your buddy and he can start working on his pup. I like hunting my dogs that I am gonna run in the hunts with all kinds of "naughty" dogs, trash runners, tree jackers, face barkers, and even a slightly grumpy old tree dog once in a while. They will run into all kinds of dogs in their nite hunt careers might as well learn how to best deal with those kind of situations in a controlled training environment rather than on the final four cast of a big hunt somewhere. JMO.

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To me it dont sound anything like our bobcats... We use to harvest several per year around here with our dogs & I never remember one goin that far without climbing. They have limited lung capacity so alot of them in my experience will climb after a short race & then theyre notorious for bailing out & running again. We dont have bears so I cant help you there but i would be willing to bet its not a cat. JMO

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So if i use a e collar on him should i listen for that fast mouth on the track and shock him or just watch the distance and speed he has traveled to know its not a coon.


Also...... whats the furthest anyone has ever run a coon??

How long have you had this dog? If you know your dog you should know when to shock him. You know what he sounds like and his tendancies as far as how he runs a coon track. I've run coon as far as two miles during the rut right now as far as 7 or 8 hundred yards. But alot of times 3 or 4 hundred yards.

geuss your right. These tracks he is running he is giving alot of mouth and moving faster than a coon i can definitly tell a diffrence

It could be anything. Bobcat will tree and jump out when it sees your lights coming. This will go on for atleast three or four trees most times. I'd say it was a fox but like I said before it could be anything.

A bobcat can't run 900yds without stopping to take a break...

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Sounds like

a fisher to me. They leave alot of scent and run hard. They will often times leave a good dog looking foolish. Not sure if they are that far south if not I would say a bob.

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Originally posted by Hightower
a fisher to me. They leave alot of scent and run hard. They will often times leave a good dog looking foolish.

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Go hunt right after a rain and follow the dogs and look for foot prints. Garmin should get you close enough to the track to find your dogs footprints. Find the dogs tracks you should be able to find the mystery critters tracks.

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uncommon for a fisher to cover that kind of distance you are talking about. We have had tracks go 1 hour and usually winds up with the dogs making a loss, like the track just blows up and they cannot move it any further. They tend to prey on small mammals like rabbits squirrels and I've been told they will even kill a coon if pressed. They are viscious fighters and if this is in fact what it is and you decide to harvest it, a head shot is recommended. I have yet to see one in a tree but hunting on snow will tell you alot. I've also been told that the track they leave is often confused with a bobcats. Not as circular with more pronounced toes. Typically they are more of a northern critter but with that being said I know for a fact that a couple weeks ago a sheep and goat farmer down the road from me in central MD. shot and killed a mountain lion with a tag in its ear. Just saying I guess anything is possible. Might just be one bad ass coon as well. I've had some long runs that have left me scratching my head until all the chips went in my favor and we treed a coon.

The running and baying part sure sounds like a coyote to me, especially this time of year when they have pups they bay up quick.

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A bobcat can't run 900yds without stopping to take a break...

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Originally posted by Justin Kohl
To me it dont sound anything like our bobcats... We use to harvest several per year around here with our dogs & I never remember one goin that far without climbing. They have limited lung capacity so alot of them in my experience will climb after a short race & then theyre notorious for bailing out & running again. We dont have bears so I cant help you there but i would be willing to bet its not a cat. JMO

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sounds to me like a fox.you said your dog was baying,could he be barking in the ground?if a fox got little ones, they will yap yap trying to get the dogs after them and they will head away from there den of pups.if it was my dog i would take that dog back to the same place tonight,you know how the varmit runs, so more then likely he will run the same way again,turn him out and if he starts running that same way shock him.by the way, fox love running around bluffs.

These tracks that he has been running end up looking like a giant " J" on my tracking system. I know its not coyote because we seen one of those come out of a woodlot we had just dropped dogs in and my buddys bluetick sailed on the coyote (and got shocked) but my dog struck and treed a coon?? When i say baying i mean he is not on a tree kinda mingles in a 40 yd circle and trees (Half A$$). Whatever it is its putting alot of scent on the ground.

Deer.............. Dropped him in a feild of 11 deer 3 weeks ago and he ran straight through the middle of them and struck a coon track on creek on other side of deer

Coyote.......... Witnessed the other dog run it and him not honor her or go with her. and cont. to find a coon track and treed.

Bobcat...........??? Think I would here them coming out of trees.

Bear..............???? Lots of them around Here?????