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Posted by Hunter Reese on 03-13-2013 03:59 AM:

Running and treeing with older dogs

I'm just on a soap box.. And I don't know about any of y'all, but it drives me crazy when people wanna brag on their younger dogs for treeing with an older dog... I just doesn't impress me that a dog runs in and trees a coon then the young dog comes in 3 or 4 minutes later and starts treeing.. Keep on training the me tooing puppy's and see where that gets ya. Sorry if this offends anyone It just doesn't impress me and don't see how it impresses anyone else.

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Posted by Larry Atherton on 03-13-2013 03:04 PM:

When it comes to dogs ... nope just about anything ... to each their own.

Back in 1983, I had a young dog that started running and treeing. It was common practice back then to run them with an old dog. So i got an old grade walker. My young dog would run track and tree. I would go into the tree search for the coon, and catch the old dog still on his way to the tree.lol

Yes, what you say works if your are a competition hunter, but you should also realize that many people who are training their first dog on here will swell with pride when their young hound starts showing progress whether it is running with an old dog or not.

You really should give those individuals a break.

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Posted by Hunter Reese on 03-13-2013 10:41 PM:

Yeah and don't get me wrong for pleasure hunting I guess that's great.. I just hate when people think their pup is worth a lot or want to sale it for a big bunch of money cause it will run and tree with other dogs but won't leave out of sight by itself.

Posted by LIL-E on 03-13-2013 10:44 PM:

Hunter and Larry some how I agree with the both of you.

Posted by patches9452 on 03-13-2013 11:30 PM:

im not impressed with one that want run and tree with an old dog so i guess they make them to suit everybody

Posted by walkerdog1 on 03-14-2013 12:31 AM:

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Originally posted by Hunter Reese
Yeah and don't get me wrong for pleasure hunting I guess that's great.. I just hate when people think their pup is worth a lot or want to sale it for a big bunch of money cause it will run and tree with other dogs but won't leave out of sight by itself.

most dogs never see the woods alone unless a true coonhunter gets them most of the newer coonhunters around hear are scard of the dark and don't know what a good dog is or what it takes to make one

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Posted by cody jaster on 03-14-2013 12:59 AM:

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most dogs never see the woods alone unless a true coonhunter gets them most of the newer coonhunters around hear are scard of the dark and don't know what a good dog is or what it takes to make one

That's for sure! Heck I haven't hunted with anybody in over 7-8 years. Except for a comp hunt now and then. Your dogs are only going to be as good as what you hunt them with. I hunt mine alone or in pairs at times. And , I'm by myself! Nobody hunts around here anymore...at least about 80 miles from me! I never get lonely, I guess I enjoy my own company. Another good thing about it is I can lie like the devil about how good they did and nobody can disagree. Ha ha. I certainly ain't scared of the dark either! Plus there ain't no cell coverage in most of these woods.

Posted by walkerdog1 on 03-14-2013 02:08 AM:

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Originally posted by cody jaster
That's for sure! Heck I haven't hunted with anybody in over 7-8 years. Except for a comp hunt now and then. Your dogs are only going to be as good as what you hunt them with. I hunt mine alone or in pairs at times. And , I'm by myself! Nobody hunts around here anymore...at least about 80 miles from me! I never get lonely, I guess I enjoy my own company. Another good thing about it is I can lie like the devil about how good they did and nobody can disagree. Ha ha. I certainly ain't scared of the dark either! Plus there ain't no cell coverage in most of these woods.

that's me the only time my dogs see other dogs is in a hunt very seldom hunt with any one and only as a pair maybe once a month i just bought a 18 m/o male because the said he wouldn't hunt alone i ask him how many times the dog had been out he says 20 and only two alone that was a month ago now the dog hunts a avarge of 700 yards and about 35 to 40 minutes and he's coming on pretty good

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Posted by headless01 on 03-14-2013 02:34 AM:

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That's for sure! Heck I haven't hunted with anybody in over 7-8 years. Except for a comp hunt now and then. Your dogs are only going to be as good as what you hunt them with. I hunt mine alone or in pairs at times. And , I'm by myself! Nobody hunts around here anymore... I never get lonely, I guess I enjoy my own company. Another good thing about it is I can lie like the devil about how good they did and nobody can disagree. Ha ha. I certainly ain't scared of the dark either! Plus there ain't no cell coverage in some of these woods.

X2, I can hardly get mine to tree together when i hunt them in pairs just to keep the yotes off them. split tree about 1/2 mile apart 50% of time, makes it hard on a old man
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Posted by Hunter Reese on 03-14-2013 02:53 AM:

I'm not trying to rag on anyone.. I'm just stating that it's not impressive to me.. I think it's great when two dogs slam one together.. But when all your pup can do is back another dog when it has done absolutely no work.. Now that's not impressive.

Posted by walkerdog1 on 03-14-2013 02:55 AM:

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Originally posted by Hunter Reese
I'm not trying to rag on anyone.. I'm just stating that it's not impressive to me.. I think it's great when two dogs slam one together.. But when all your pup can do is back another dog when it has done absolutely no work.. Now that's not impressive.

nothing to be impressed with just another metoo dog

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Posted by cody jaster on 03-14-2013 02:59 AM:

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Originally posted by Hunter Reese
I'm not trying to rag on anyone.. I'm just stating that it's not impressive to me.. I think it's great when two dogs slam one together.. But when all your pup can do is back another dog when it has done absolutely no work.. Now that's not impressive.

All I can say to that is welcome to the competition hunts. Cause you described about 95% of them right there!

Posted by walkerdog1 on 03-14-2013 03:05 AM:

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Originally posted by cody jaster
All I can say to that is welcome to the competition hunts. Cause you described about 95% of them right there!

that's a fact and seams like the good metooers latch right to the best dog in the cast

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Posted by GLANCY'S 7 MILE on 03-14-2013 03:36 AM:

Re: Running and treeing with older dogs

quote:
Originally posted by Hunter Reese
I'm just on a soap box.. And I don't know about any of y'all, but it drives me crazy when people wanna brag on their younger dogs for treeing with an older dog... I just doesn't impress me that a dog runs in and trees a coon then the young dog comes in 3 or 4 minutes later and starts treeing.. Keep on training the me tooing puppy's and see where that gets ya. Sorry if this offends anyone It just doesn't impress me and don't see how it impresses anyone else.

Everyone gets excited when their pups starts going hunting and treeing. It's fine to try and start a pup with a finished hound but once they start treeing with confidence, and/or after they split tree a couple times, it's time to single them out. I personally like to start a pup by theirselves but sometimes the weather or a certain time of year can delay or make things difficult. It's hard to start a pup in the winter here because it's hard to get a pup/young dog on coons let alone good tracks. But if they got some hunt/desire to them they will go. If they can't run and tree their own coon consistently by a certain age or after so many nights, they won't stay here long.

Being excited and bragging is two different things. Getting excited is normal but bragging is useless, a good hound will speak for itself!

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Posted by Hunter Reese on 03-14-2013 04:13 AM:

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Originally posted by walkerdog1
that's a fact and seams like the good metooers latch right to the best dog in the cast

Yeah ain't that the truth.. What ain't right is when mine strikes in third and trees first and gets same amount as the dog that strikes first (babbling) and me too's mine and were both sitting with 175... That's what gets me.

Posted by walkerdog1 on 03-14-2013 01:32 PM:

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Yeah ain't that the truth.. What ain't right is when mine strikes in third and trees first and gets same amount as the dog that strikes first (babbling) and me too's mine and were both sitting with 175... That's what gets me.

yea i have a nice 2 and 1/2 year old female that's nice honest third strike first tree dog about every drop but her mouth is a little on the soft side you take a big mouth babbling me too dog that never shuts up if I'm not on my game as good as she is then im beat

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Posted by Hunter Reese on 03-14-2013 02:14 PM:

Yeah and handlers try to get slick and tree off someone elses dog cause they know for sure there dog will be there ASAP haha

Posted by walkerdog1 on 03-14-2013 02:48 PM:

Two years ago i was hunting a 18 m/o male in the middle a December went to a pkc hunt it was cold and snowing in a three dog cast i drew two guys that were known for pitching their dogs my dog was a tree jammer right or wrong most of the time wrong i told the guys what i had the one guy says you wouldn't be hear with a dog like that they took first and second tree from my dog all night they wanted it so i just let them take it that was the only cast I've ever won on least minus R.I.P ole jake

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Posted by KYHoundDawg on 03-14-2013 03:04 PM:

I am new to competition hunting been in about 5, but can't you scratch a babbling dog or scratch someone for pitching their dog? You might not get the votes every time, especially if some boys are buddies up but at least you called them on it. I said somethin two weeks ago about this **** dog that was even barking on the leash and the guy withdrew right there, that thing was annoying as hell.

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Posted by Larry Atherton on 03-14-2013 03:12 PM:

Maybe, I just know a different group of hunters, but most of the hunters I know mostly hunt by their selves. I know they won't have a dog that doesn't bust its butt in there alone or otherwise.

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Posted by walkerdog1 on 03-14-2013 03:28 PM:

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I am new to competition hunting been in about 5, but can't you scratch a babbling dog or scratch someone for pitching their dog? You might not get the votes every time, especially if some boys are buddies up but at least you called them on it. I said somethin two weeks ago about this **** dog that was even barking on the leash and the guy withdrew right there, that thing was annoying as hell.

if you can prove that their pitching or a dog is babbling they get minus the first time scratched the secound time for pitching I'm not sure you can scratch a babbling dog besides most of the babblers never shut up you can't do nothing if a dog is showing track if a dog is running throw the woods barking every breth they'll say its tracking even if you minus the dog they can question it and the M.O.H will over turn it

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Posted by walkers513 on 03-14-2013 03:29 PM:

I have a dog that was started with another dog. She was singled out at 10 months old. She does not care what your dog is doing. She prefers to do her own thing. She barks when she smells a coon and that is first or second strike. She also trees first or second. I have hunted on cast where she split treed from the other 3 dogs. So the statement that was made about training me to dogs is incorrect. Single them out when they start putting it together and you will not have a problem. I have another dog here that will run by coon just to get by herself, she trees alone but always gets the bottom end on strike points. How many of these loners struggle with accuracy? I can't count how many trees I walked in on a cast that was empty because these young pups struggle with accuracy.

Posted by walkerdog1 on 03-14-2013 03:41 PM:

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Originally posted by walkers513
I have a dog that was started with another dog. She was singled out at 10 months old. She does not care what your dog is doing. She prefers to do her own thing. She barks when she smells a coon and that is first or second strike. She also trees first or second. I have hunted on cast where she split treed from the other 3 dogs. So the statement that was made about training me to dogs is incorrect. Single them out when they start putting it together and you will not have a problem. I have another dog here that will run by coon just to get by herself, she trees alone but always gets the bottom end on strike points.

alot of dogs never see the woods alone in a case like this people are training me to dogs if a dog is hunted like it should be and is still a me to dog its a cull

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Posted by Ron Ashbaugh on 03-14-2013 05:26 PM:

Anybody that brags up anything on any dog is just not had the dog long enough for it to make you a liar. Hunting young dogs is all about getting them into the woods and to get them in the woods they have to get you excited. I wouldn't take a fella getting excited that his dog ran and treed with another dog as bragging, maybe he is just happy and wanting to tell others about it.

Sure running in treeing with another dog isn't a huge feat, but its progress and there is nothing wrong with being excited about progress if it keeps you taking the young dog out another 10X. People are so life and death about dogs and there progress....geez if it gives a guy a good feeling if his dog goes out and trees with his old dog and he wants to tell the world, live and let live, it isn't hurting a thing. So many bigger issues to worry about in life.

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Posted by Hunter Reese on 03-14-2013 09:54 PM:

I know what you mean and I always tell people that's great but when people are like yeah man I got a super nice pup.. And I ask oh yeah what's it doing.. They reply man he's been running and treeing with my old dog since he was 10 months and now the dogs say 2 years old and still hasn't been singled out.

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