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Posted by jculler8 on 01-08-2013 10:24 PM:

Do you have a right to listen for your dog???

4 dog cast. Dogs A, B, C all strike and tree on the same tree in that order. Dog D is at large. After tree is scored, cast votes to call timeout. Dog D is still at large and handler was not permitted to listen by the judge before timeout was called because D was never struck. Is this correct?

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Posted by JiM on 01-08-2013 10:44 PM:

The time out rule requires a reason to call time out. Acceptable reasons are listed in the rule book. So what was the reason?

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Posted by john Duemmer on 01-08-2013 10:47 PM:

It would depend on the reason for the timeout. Timeout is one of the most abused rules, in an effort to get big scores the score a quick one and move system has become very common. The short answer to your question is that if the majority vote to call timeout and dog D Hadnt been struck there is nothing he can do, he will have 1 hour to retrive his dog for the next drop.

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 01-08-2013 10:51 PM:

you have the right to listen all the way to the tree dont you?

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Posted by walkerdog1 on 01-08-2013 11:00 PM:

They haft to have a ligetment reason to call time out if their is no reason i think all cast members have to agree for time out

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Posted by jculler8 on 01-08-2013 11:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Lee Currens Jr.
sounds like he is out hearing or running the rd

He was treed rt beside the truck with a coon! Couldn't hear him bc timeout was called at the tree as soon as it was scored. Even though the judge never asked for a vote after dog D's handler asked, he still would have been out voted 3-1 to call timeout.

The non-hunting guide said that the cast needed to find new ground to hunt. Timeout was called after scoring 1 tree and about 24 minutes into the hunt.

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 01-08-2013 11:25 PM:

lol by a louder dog they didnt have know problems going to the
other 3

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Posted by jculler8 on 01-08-2013 11:25 PM:

Question is, is a handler allowed to request time to listen for dogs who are not struck before voting to call timeout?

Posted by jculler8 on 01-08-2013 11:27 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Lee Currens Jr.
lol by a louder dog they didnt have know problems going to the
other 3

Shut up you idiot. Go ruin someone else's post.

Lee, if you want to talk sh*t, call me you have my number, remember?

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 01-08-2013 11:36 PM:

lol what do you want them to do if your out hunting.the judge gave
you a reason we cant help it if its not louder than pop corn you
just left the truck.why didnt you strike it there?lol

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Posted by ssgied on 01-09-2013 12:00 AM:

Dogs must be cut back to dogs that are out, struck or not. Time out can not be called in this situation. New hunting ground don't hold water with dog still out. Page 86 advisor. If I am reading correctly.

Posted by john Duemmer on 01-09-2013 12:07 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ssgied
Dogs must be cut back to dogs that are out, struck or not. Time out can not be called in this situation. New hunting ground don't hold water with dog still out. Page 86 advisor. If I am reading correctly.

You are misintrpreting... If dog D had been struck the procedure would have been to start the 8 on D after scoring the other dogs tree If D is heard he goes on the card for a quarter and the handled dogs must be cut loose . But since dog D hadnt been struck time out may be called either by a nonhunting judge or a majority vote of the cast for any of the reasons listed in rule 8. If dog Ds. handler didnt feel any of the requirements for a timeout were met he has the right to place a ? on the card.

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Posted by jculler8 on 01-09-2013 12:29 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
You are misintrpreting... If dog D had been struck the procedure would have been to start the 8 on D after scoring the other dogs tree If D is heard he goes on the card for a quarter and the handled dogs must be cut loose . But since dog D hadnt been struck time out may be called either by a nonhunting judge or a majority vote of the cast for any of the reasons listed in rule 8. If dog Ds. handler didnt feel any of the requirements for a timeout were met he has the right to place a ? on the card.

Ok that's a pretty good explanation.

Lee, you crack me up popcorn lol. I need some of that shine u sippin on down there lol

Posted by jculler8 on 01-09-2013 12:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ssgied
Dogs must be cut back to dogs that are out, struck or not. Time out can not be called in this situation. New hunting ground don't hold water with dog still out. Page 86 advisor. If I am reading correctly.

Gotta go reread, had it out don't think I read pg 86

Posted by ysudep2 on 01-09-2013 12:44 AM:

They dumber than hell down south huh?? He dont like ya does he joe, I cant understand a **** thing his ass says on here anyways. Little squirely whatever he is

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Posted by GA DAWG on 01-09-2013 01:13 AM:

Why couldnt they have not waited till after scoring tree to call time recken? They new what they were doing sounds like to me.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 01-09-2013 01:17 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
Why couldnt they have not waited till after scoring tree to call time recken? They new what they were doing sounds like to me.

Reread the scenario...They did wait until after the tree was scored to call timeout. That would be the time to do it, otherwise they are required to recast.

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Posted by howie on 01-09-2013 01:35 AM:

I used to think it was majority vote also, but it is not. I read this in the bloodlines advisor section a couple of months back. Allen brushed us up on this. You have to cuy em loose in less some kind of danger. Have to use a little commen sense.

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 01-09-2013 01:37 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ysudep2
They dumber than hell down south huh?? He dont like ya does he joe, I cant understand a **** thing his ass says on here anyways. Little squirely whatever he is

i dont understand you give me a 4 star rating.you dont even
know me yank.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 01-09-2013 01:40 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by howie
I used to think it was majority vote also, but it is not. I read this in the bloodlines advisor section a couple of months back. Allen brushed us up on this. You have to cuy em loose in less some kind of danger. Have to use a little commen sense.

You guys need a rule book..... It is majority vote, you are voting on weather or not the timeout meets one of the criteria reguired for a timeot listed clearly in rule #8. There are 9 acceptable reasons to call timeout.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 01-09-2013 01:45 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
Reread the scenario...They did wait until after the tree was scored to call timeout. That would be the time to do it, otherwise they are required to recast.

Yeah I read it wrong. .

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Posted by ysudep2 on 01-09-2013 01:50 AM:

Yeah each * = 1 IQ point

So that puts you at 4, just intelligent enough to inhale and exhale!

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 01-09-2013 02:23 AM:

that right but if its 200 yrds from the truck to the tree how
far is it back to popcorn?you can listen all the way to the tree
dont you judge them to?lol now if you got a good spectator
they can listen while you shine.lol now you can listen while
the votes go on and yes you can?? anything you want

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Posted by howie on 01-09-2013 03:02 AM:

Maybe Allen will brush us up again tomorrow. Since some people on here think they know everything. Have a nice day

Posted by Jim W. on 01-09-2013 04:03 AM:

Lets tell the whole truth and not part of the story. 1st the other 3 cast memebers agreed to call time out because the guide said we had run out of woods to hunt. 2nd your dog was never heard. He was found at your truck thanks to your garmin not due to the fact that he was treeing.

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