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Senior Cast Allen/ukc Could You Answer This For Me

GENTLE IS 53 YR'S OLD AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT CLUB'S HE IS PUT INTO THE SENIOR CLASS DUE TO HIM BEING PARALIZED FROM A STROKE. LAST NIGHT THE MASTER OF HOUND'S PUT HIM IN THE SENIOR CLASS WHEN HE RETURNED BACK TO CLUB HOUSE THE MASTER OF HOUND'S THROW THE SCORE CARD OUT AFTER GETTING A WIN AND THIS MAN HAD BEEN IN SENIOR CAST AT THIS CLUB BEFORE THIS ISN'T RIGHT.

THE MAN PAID ENTRY FEE DROVE HIS GAS OUT AND GOT SOAKED IN HEAVY DOWN POURING RAIN AND GOT THE WIN ON HIS DOG

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GENTLE IS 53 YR'S OLD AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT CLUB'S HE IS PUT INTO THE SENIOR CLASS DUE TO HIM BEING PARALIZED FROM A STROKE. LAST NIGHT THE MASTER OF HOUND'S PUT HIM IN THE SENIOR CLASS WHEN HE RETURNED BACK TO CLUB HOUSE THE MASTER OF HOUND'S THROW THE SCORE CARD OUT AFTER GETTING A WIN AND THIS MAN HAD BEEN IN SENIOR CAST AT THIS CLUB BEFORE THIS ISN'T RIGHT.

THE MAN PAID ENTRY FEE DROVE HIS GAS OUT AND GOT SOAKED IN HEAVY DOWN POURING RAIN AND GOT THE WIN ON HIS DOG

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I am assuming it got throwed out because he is 53 and not 55 or older?

Still betting there is more to the story that we don't know. I don't know too many MOH's that are out to screw handicapped Coonhunters just because they won.

well pretty much he's been in senior cast before at the same club but when he gets a win the score card gets throwed out because they say he isnt a senior plus one of the other members in another cast was upset this person was in senior cast so he started crying after they seen he got the win

person in senior cast scored 350 crybaby in other cast had 225

I think they never should have let him enter in a senior cast in the first place there just isn't any reason for. The rules say the cast has to stick together and must go at a pace that everyone in the cast can maintain. I have a good friend with only one leg. He still enters the regular casts and we just slow down for him. Not a big deal if the dogs are tree right they will stay as long as it takes for the cast to get there.

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I am not going to try to answer your question, but I think that anyone with a physical limitation should be allowed to hunt in the senior cast. If we go by the rules there is no need for a senior cast anyway. Since UKC has decided to allow a senior cast what is the harm in letting someone with a medically confirmed disability hunt in that cast. a lot of people with limitations would rather not hunt, than to admit they can't keep up with a fast moving cast. JMO

Ignoring the rules gets little or no notice when you lose. It will get noticed and acted upon every time if you win. It is just like letting spectators shine trees. Even if every cast member agrees to allow spectators to shine, if just one of those guys complains or brings it up to the MOH back at the clubhouse, you now have a dead cast. The bottom line is that the cast nor anyone else simply cannot agree to ignore the rules. There is never anything "right" about going outside the rules.

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Seems the master of hounds takes some of the responsibility for this, he shouldnt have taken the entry for a senior without knowing the guy was 55. This kind of thing is what happens when a rule is bent however well meaning.
A solution would be to contact your breed association and suggest a rule change that would allow handicapped folks to be included with seniors. Seem like a reasonable solution?

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Dumb question, when "Seniors" enter Senior Cast - do they have to state their age to the MOH when they ask to be placed in a Senior Cast or does MOH rely on "Seniors" knowing the rules and entering the right cast?

What is a handicap? This is the 21st century, most of the college football stars have handicap parking permits. Today, anyone can be handicapped. Age is simple, it is a number, very easy to verify. I doubt UKC wants to be in a position where they have to determine who is really handicapped and who isn't.

Fact is, UKC has always been willing to work with individuals on a case by case basis and make reasonable accommodations for handicaps. I know that for a fact.

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Probably depends on the MOHs. the ones who are on the ball probably inquire.

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Originally posted by Buckshot
Dumb question, when "Seniors" enter Senior Cast - do they have to state their age to the MOH when they ask to be placed in a Senior Cast or does MOH rely on "Seniors" knowing the rules and entering the right cast?

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Originally posted by JiM
What is a handicap? This is the 21st century, most of the college football stars have handicap parking permits. Today, anyone can be handicapped. Age is simple, it is a number, very easy to verify. I doubt UKC wants to be in a position where they have to determine who is really handicapped and who isn't.

Fact is, UKC has always been willing to work with individuals on a case by case basis and make reasonable accommodations for handicaps. I know that for a fact.

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Originally posted by JiM
What is a handicap? This is the 21st century, most of the college football stars have handicap parking permits. Today, anyone can be handicapped. Age is simple, it is a number, very easy to verify. I doubt UKC wants to be in a position where they have to determine who is really handicapped and who isn't.

Fact is, UKC has always been willing to work with individuals on a case by case basis and make reasonable accommodations for handicaps. I know that for a fact.

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
Seems the master of hounds takes some of the responsibility for this, he shouldnt have taken the entry for a senior without knowing the guy was 55. This kind of thing is what happens when a rule is bent however well meaning.

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i agree with you john d

Its says in the rule 55 not 54 or 53 (55) they put the age for a reason.

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outside lookin in, he shouldnt have been in a senior class. Disabled or not. Rules say 55 if he is younger then he hunts regular cast the rest of the cast should be respectful enough to keep a pace all can keep. JMO

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Originally posted by C. Beyer
outside lookin in, he shouldnt have been in a senior class. Disabled or not. Rules say 55 if he is younger then he hunts regular cast the rest of the cast should be respectful enough to keep a pace all can keep. JMO

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Originally posted by JiM
Ignoring the rules gets little or no notice when you lose. It will get noticed and acted upon every time if you win. It is just like letting spectators shine trees. Even if every cast member agrees to allow spectators to shine, if just one of those guys complains or brings it up to the MOH back at the clubhouse, you now have a dead cast. The bottom line is that the cast nor anyone else simply cannot agree to ignore the rules. There is never anything "right" about going outside the rules.

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Originally posted by carson
BUT NO ONE HAS EVER SAID A WORD ABOUT HIM HUNTING IN THE SENIOR CAST UNTIL HE WIN'S
EVERONE KNEW HIS AGE BEFORE THE HUNT WAS STARTED

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senior cast

i was in that cast last night i got beet far an sq the fellow out call me an won the cast as for him not being 55 i did not know but i do know that he hunts the sr. cast every where i i think he has placed a call to ukc about this an from what he told me they said that he could hunt them i am 56 i can still hunt the big boy cast if that what needs to be done but he cant an i had the master of hound make the cast so this genial man could an he gose out an win an then you scratch the cast be cause you are piss at some body else in the cast ba hum bug . grow up

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by reddog2020
i was in that cast last night i got beet far an sq the fellow out call me an won the cast as for him not being 55 i did not know but i do know that he hunts the sr. cast every where i i think he has placed a call to ukc about this an from what he told me they said that he could hunt them i am 56 i can still hunt the big boy cast if that what needs to be done but he cant an i had the master of hound make the cast so this genial man could an he gose out an win an then you scratch the cast be cause you are piss at some body else in the cast ba hum bug . grow up [/QUOT you are probly right von