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Posted by wagner787 on 06-13-2012 04:53 AM:

how do u guys decide wen to catch a pup wile hunting?

How do u determine wen its time to round a pup up and go home....for example tonight my old dog slick treed and pup never came into tree. He was messing around with a track about 50yds away but wasnt moving it anyware so we went and leashed him and headed out. But it raised that ? In my mind if i shuda caught him or let him work on it. Any input appreciated thanks.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 06-13-2012 05:36 AM:

I would say if there not moveing it get them off of it. All there going to do is get in the habbit of jacking a track. If they come to the end of a track and can't find were it goes. I would rather them go on and find one they can move. If not they will get in the habbit of running it backwards and then rerunning it.
It will build more drive to pick them up off of it than to let them get there fill just running around bawling.

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Posted by huntforlife on 06-13-2012 05:39 AM:

im not an expert on training pups. but from things ive read i think if the pup was working the same area for a long time its best to pull him off. however if he was working it for a short period of time i would have left him try to figure it out. and i cant give a time period of when too long is. also i would say it depends on how far along your puppy is in the training process. once again just my opinion i am far from an expert.

Posted by l.lyle on 06-13-2012 06:12 AM:

I'd get that stupid slick treeing fool out of the way first and final thing so he could put his mind on moving that track . You know a dog barking treed is having some effect whether he acts like it or not . Get her silly ass clean out of the way and give the pup a 1/2 hour or so to concentrate.
I am always criticized on here because I train dogs with dogs and I pack hunt , But I would never pack a fool slick treer with a pup , (trainer, instigater, F'er upper) or anything else. It's got to be tough for you but if all the old dog is good for is she is straight and will get a track going then let her do that much and go catch her and get her lying self out of the way. I have fine luck using 18 month old pups as pup trainers, They can run like greased lightening and leave a sixmonth old pup that is trying to run but so what ? I can't see how a pup can't keep up tagging along and putting in where he can. Alot of people say that is training a Mee Tooer, and in theory I can see how somebody laying around in bed might dream that fantacy stuff up in their head. But fact remains it is a pup and if that pup knows he is a pup he can learn alot just simply trying to keep up. At least he learns that coons move and he better learn how to move. I have had good luck with training a pup with an honest pup/dog. There is not much they can learn from a slicker that never learned how to run one right to start with.

Posted by buzzardcreek on 06-13-2012 06:30 AM:

keep your old dog on the lead and hushed away from the slick tree let the pup work it out no matter how long it takes in this particular situation it will be good for both of your dogs if the pup did tree the coon and you were able to reward him in front of your old dog .We have to call on our patience when we are starting pups.This is just what I would do in this situation I don't claim to know everything and another mans method may work just as well or better.He will work the track faster after he has worked a few out the more tracks he runs the faster he will finish them unless there is something wrong with his nose or his head.

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Posted by l.lyle on 06-13-2012 06:56 AM:

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Originally posted by buzzardcreek
keep your old dog on the lead and hushed away from the slick tree let the pup work it out no matter how long it takes in this particular situation it will be good for both of your dogs if the pup did tree the coon and you were able to reward him in front of your old dog .We have to call on our patience when we are starting pups.This is just what I would do in this situation I don't claim to know everything and another mans method may work just as well or better.

BuzzardCreek, I love you man ! and I know it is hard as haydees to give up on old Faithful. I think you are right and I think it could be done that a 5 month old pup could teach an old dog that was being relied on to be his trainer a thing or two. But ( I am backwards in my thinking from time to to and I admit to it) But rewarding a pup when it gets right in front of said old dog. (I think I got to think about that a second, or all night, to straighten the old dog out). I think the inmates might be running the Sanitarium.

Posted by buzzardcreek on 06-13-2012 07:07 AM:

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Originally posted by l.lyle
BuzzardCreek, I love you man ! and I know it is hard as haydees to give up on old Faithful. I think you are right and I think it could be done that a 5 month old pup could teach an old dog that was being relied on to be his trainer a thing or two. But ( I am backwards in my thinking from time to to and I admit to it) But rewarding a pup when it gets right in front of said old dog. (I think I got to think about that a second, or all night, to straighten the old dog out). I think the inmates might be running the Sanitarium.

l.lyle I have been lucky enough to hunt some real nice pups that have alot of natural ability I have come to expect them to tree coons on thier own early my main objective is to not do anything to mess them up.I use a GOOD pup trainer as needed they need to be hunted with GOOD dogs and hunted alone as well.I take em with the old dogs three out of four nights when they are young but I take em by themselves on the fourth night even if I dont do anything but turn em loose jump back in the truck and nap till they go off hunting on thier own but like I said this is just what works for me.that old dog is still learning I'm an old dog and I'm still learning things every day

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Posted by l.lyle on 06-13-2012 08:40 AM:

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Originally posted by buzzardcreek
l.lyle I have been lucky enough to hunt some real nice pups that have alot of natural ability I have come to expect them to tree coons on thier own early my main objective is to not do anything to mess them up.I use a GOOD pup trainer as needed they need to be hunted with GOOD dogs and hunted alone as well.I take em with the old dogs three out of four nights when they are young but I take em by themselves on the fourth night even if I dont do anything but turn em loose jump back in the truck and nap till they go off hunting on thier own but like I said this is just what works for me.that old dog is still learning I'm an old dog and I'm still learning things every day

That's exactly my Opinion is to not mess one up. But he said off the bat that the trainer had slicked , so what do you do?

Posted by buzzardcreek on 06-13-2012 09:33 AM:

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Originally posted by l.lyle
That's exactly my Opinion is to not mess one up. But he said off the bat that the trainer had slicked , so what do you do?

I already said what I would do in this particular situation and that has not changed

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Posted by l.lyle on 06-13-2012 09:39 AM:

That was a rhetorical question , you don't have to become too involved.

Posted by skeets on 06-13-2012 09:46 AM:

i had a young dog that never jacked a track, but one night he was jacking a track for about 20 mintues and really wasnt going nowhere with it. i sat down and trying to decide what should i do, should i go in there and get him off the track or let him figure out this seemed to be really cold track. as i was sitting there trying to decide i heard him hit a tree bark, i was thinking their aint no way. as i sat there he started treeing more steady, so i went to him knowing there was no way a coon would be there and thought maybe i did the wrong thing. when i got to the tree i was shoked to see a ole coon sitting up in the top of that tree lol. a dog i dont think will learn to tree them cold tracks unless you give em time to do it, but i think a dog that jacks alot of tracks proably aint much track dog. but everbody has their own thoughts about training a dog, and what a coon dog should be.

Posted by buzzardcreek on 06-13-2012 09:51 AM:

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Originally posted by l.lyle
That was a rhetorical question , you don't have to become too involved.

too involved with what?my answer is still the same no matter what kind of question it is

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Posted by wagner787 on 06-13-2012 09:50 PM:

Let me refraise...im not 100% sure the tree was slick. It was a smaller cherry tree on field edge surrounded by big whiteoak but i never saw eyes so assume away. As shes getting older she might miss more but usually a high percentage at havin coon. Thanks

Posted by T Felderman on 06-13-2012 10:04 PM:

Go home

When the pup is out there not learning anything. OR when the negitaves out weigh the positives of the hunt. Thats up for you determine, good luck.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 06-14-2012 02:13 AM:

Re: Go home

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Originally posted by T Felderman
When the pup is out there not learning anything. OR when the negitaves out weigh the positives of the hunt. Thats up for you determine, good luck.

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Posted by old ben on 06-14-2012 02:24 PM:

id say let him run,,u know if a pup cant run a rabbit he prob cant run a coon .if u have the patience to let m trail around imo just gives confedence ,u can work on the negatives later

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Posted by Pdawg on 06-14-2012 02:47 PM:

Re: Go home

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Originally posted by T Felderman
When the pup is out there not learning anything. OR when the negitaves out weigh the positives of the hunt. Thats up for you determine, good luck.

Agreed !

Posted by Pdawg on 06-14-2012 03:00 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by old ben
id say let him run,,u know if a pup cant run a rabbit he prob cant run a coon .if u have the patience to let m trail around imo just gives confedence ,u can work on the negatives later

I agree. I know a lot of folks will think this is crazy but if I have a pup new to the woods I would rather him run a deer by himself then depend on the old dog on coon all the time. At least he is learning to work a track I can work on breaking him from off game once he is solid at running a track. Jmo.

Posted by mauser06 on 06-14-2012 03:21 PM:

When working my pup this winter/spring i decided to have some patience and wait it out...i started hunting him during mating season and still some cold temps and tough hunting...then right into a fairly dry spring which was tough....

I let him work a track till he treed it or he really bogged down and wasnt making it any farther....

My thinking is if you pull them off every track that gets tough, how are they ever gunna learn to carry and finish a track?? A hot track and pop up coons arent tough for a dog to run....

My buddy had no patience with his pup...same litter....not sure what the cause..but his went through a slick treeing phase...his also had a head start on mine..and id say mine is a nicer dog thus far...could just be the dog..could be the training....

Id say there is some sort of gray line on letting them run a track vs pulling them off...

I also typically didnt pull him off and take him somewhere else or take him home...if he quit barking and moving the track id go in and find him and call him to me and id walk him farther in and try to get him on a new track....that imo taught him if he looses a track, to get goin and go find another...which he is starting to do on his own now at a year old...

A lighted collar helped me a ton when pup training...i could watch him and stay close...garmin would do the same i reckon...

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 06-14-2012 05:31 PM:

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Originally posted by old ben
id say let him run,,u know if a pup cant run a rabbit he prob cant run a coon .if u have the patience to let m trail around imo just gives confedence ,u can work on the negatives later

How would it help confidence to keep running the same track till it gives up?
Seems like that would take away confidence. Picking him up and putting him on something he could win/tree at the end looks like would build more confidence.
I would just like to know your way of thinking on that.

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 06-14-2012 10:23 PM:

i am kind dumb at all this training stuff so how did the guys
that let pups run loose like the old time dogs.did they run out pull them off track or did they wait till they could run a track
out of the country before putting them up?i dont know

just saying IT IS WHAT IT IS

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Posted by l.lyle on 06-14-2012 10:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
How would it help confidence to keep running the same track till it gives up?
Seems like that would take away confidence. Picking him up and putting him on something he could win/tree at the end looks like would build more confidence.
I would just like to know your way of thinking on that.

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Posted by skeets on 06-15-2012 06:15 AM:

lol

Posted by l.lyle on 06-15-2012 06:29 AM:

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Originally posted by skeets
lol

You must be a mean man Skeets. You ever raised a pups muzzle and look him in the eyes and Say" Well you did not do worth a tinkers Dam on that one"? And the pup kinds of hangs his head but does do better on the next one. That's what I am talking about , let them know when they did good and let them know in no uncertain terms when they don't. They are a dog for goodness sakes , they know when they are KNOW NOTHING PuPs. It's the PUPs that think they know it all at 12 months old or younger that give me the Willies.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 06-15-2012 09:38 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Lee Currens Jr.
i am kind dumb at all this training stuff so how did the guys
that let pups run loose like the old time dogs.did they run out pull them off track or did they wait till they could run a track
out of the country before putting them up?i dont know

just saying IT IS WHAT IT IS

When they started running game they put them up and started hunting them. It was a short cut to getting a dog to start hunting. If you are in the woods with them though there is no since in letting them get bad habbits. Personaly I don't use that short cut. If you don't have the time to walk a pup night after night till it starts going it is better than beating them to try to get them out from under your feet.

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