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Posted by ronald schultz on 03-19-2012 05:43 PM:

show rules?

just wondering what some of the rules are about what can be used on dogs to get them ready for showing? hair trimming ? that sort of thing. also when gaiting is it better to be gaitng the dogs at a quick walk or or more of a jogging gait?

Posted by buffaloriver on 03-19-2012 06:12 PM:

Bench Show?
Why would you trim hair unless you were trying to hide overly long hair which shouldnt be on any hound I know of
I like to quick walk my dogs when I show them you usually dont have a very big area to gait them for the judge I wouldn't want to try to jog with them myself
I hunt the dogs I show so I don't worry too much about shining them up cause they mostly looking at structure and how your dog meets it's standard not how slick and pretty it is but i do like to brush and wipe my dog down with a wet wipe really good the judge is gona look at feet teeth ears nails muscle tone and legs cause those things make the dog !

Posted by LMBEDDINGFIELD on 03-19-2012 06:26 PM:

Basic grooming is not a problem.
UKC rules state that excessive grooming is not allowed or anything to alter the look of the dog. Using chalks etc to enhance colors being an example.

As far as gating. It depends on the gating pattern being used. If you are doing a basic down and back a more natural pace should be used slow to medium speed. A dogs natural track closes together in the back feet the faster they are being moved. If you gate a down and back to fast it will appear that the dog hind legs are to close or may even cross over on the gate. So slower on a down and back is better. If a judge is looking at the dog from the side a faster pace is more fitting because this will show the drive of a dog. Meaning how well they flow from front feet to back feet at a faster pace.

Hope this helps....

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Posted by Showman on 03-19-2012 06:52 PM:

thanks

You say excessive grooming and chalking I can't tell !!!

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Posted by LMBEDDINGFIELD on 03-19-2012 10:04 PM:

Ha ha.....
thats why I show black dogs lol....

Posted by corky crowder on 03-19-2012 10:40 PM:

MIGHT NOT BE LEGAL
I WAS AT LARGE SHOW IN THE SOUTH EAST WALKED OUT ONE OF THE DOORS WHERE THE DOGS WHERE THE DOGS WERE BEING SHOWN THERE ON THE TAIL GATE WAS ALL THIS GROOMING STUFF INCLUDING A SPRAY CAN OF SOMTHING CALLED SHOW TOUCH UP [MAYBE WRONG ON NAME] ANYWAY THE BLACK TAIL GATE WAS ALMOST WHITE FROM OVER SPRAY.

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Posted by H. L. Meyer on 03-20-2012 01:45 AM:

Man I am learning a lot

I thought chalk is something you use to write on a chalk board with. Why would you put chalk on a dog?

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Posted by Cleo on 03-20-2012 02:10 AM:

Do tell?!

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Posted by H. L. Meyer on 03-20-2012 02:13 AM:

MUMMMMMMMMMMMM

Did you mean Don't tell rather than Do tell?

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Posted by H. L. Meyer on 03-20-2012 02:21 AM:

I know I am slow

But where did painting a truck come in. !

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Posted by corky crowder on 03-20-2012 03:07 AM:

Re: I know I am slow

quote:
Originally posted by H. L. Meyer
But where did painting a truck come in. !

I DONT THINK IT WAS THE TRUCK THE WHITE STUFF WEA BEING SPRAYED ON

Posted by Tully on 03-20-2012 03:57 AM:

Re: Re: I know I am slow

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Originally posted by corky crowder
I DONT THINK IT WAS THE TRUCK THE WHITE STUFF WEA BEING SPRAYED ON

MAACO!?!?!?

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Posted by H. L. Meyer on 03-20-2012 04:07 AM:

You know

They were not putting CHALK on a dog were they?. That is not ok to do is it?

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Posted by Tim Trone on 03-20-2012 04:26 AM:

I have seen them use the spray on two different shows here in Florida . It was white also . Big name show dog at that .

Posted by Jon Millwood on 03-20-2012 04:44 AM:

First of all let me say I have NEVER personally shown a dog so please excuse any ignorant questions I may ask... If the judge is supposed to be judging the dog on the way the dog is built, its angles and the flow of its gate and so forth why would it matter how pretty the dog looks? If it does matter which one is the prettiest Shouldnt an experienced judge be able to see through all the make up?.. Not trying to be sarcastic I honestly don't know anything about showing..

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Posted by Andi Elburn on 03-20-2012 05:39 PM:

pretty so much doesn't matter aside from the pleasing look of a sound built dog, the corrrect head is also imo "pretty" and there are the obvious reasons color come into play.. leps can't have too much white, redbones need to be red, plotts have to have brindle etc.. but also the optical illusion you can get from color, like where the color breaks on walker dog shoulder or thigh, or where the ticking on the blues or english fall on the top line, a light or dark spot and draw your attention in, create or disguise a flaw.. that's where pretty is a factor on the coat I think.

and Mr. H.L. they make chalk in every color! lol in AKC it's used on the skin where the hair is thin to help disguise the flaw, like hocks and elbows... they look bigger when they are dark!

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Posted by corky crowder on 03-20-2012 06:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Andi Elburn
pretty so much doesn't matter aside from the pleasing look of a sound built dog, the corrrect head is also imo "pretty" and there are the obvious reasons color come into play.. leps can't have too much white, redbones need to be red, plotts have to have brindle etc.. but also the optical illusion you can get from color, like where the color breaks on walker dog shoulder or thigh, or where the ticking on the blues or english fall on the top line, a light or dark spot and draw your attention in, create or disguise a flaw.. that's where pretty is a factor on the coat I think.

and Mr. H.L. they make chalk in every color! lol in AKC it's used on the skin where the hair is thin to help disguise the flaw, like hocks and elbows... they look bigger when they are dark!

THESE ARE ALL GOOD POINTS BUT LETS SIMPLIFY IT SAY YOU GO LOOK AT 2 USED TRUCKS BOTH TRUCKS ARE EQUAL SAME MAKE,MODLE,YEAR BOTH HAVE SAME MAINTANCE RECORDS
ONE IS NICE CLEAN AND SHINNY OTHER IS DIRTY DULL . WHICH ONE GOSE HOME WITH YOU.

Posted by Dale Young on 03-20-2012 07:13 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by corky crowder
THESE ARE ALL GOOD POINTS BUT LETS SIMPLIFY IT SAY YOU GO LOOK AT 2 USED TRUCKS BOTH TRUCKS ARE EQUAL SAME MAKE,MODLE,YEAR BOTH HAVE SAME MAINTANCE RECORDS
ONE IS NICE CLEAN AND SHINNY OTHER IS DIRTY DULL . WHICH ONE GOSE HOME WITH YOU.

There you go.
The only reason the owner/handler is there is to make the dog look as good as they possibly can to the judge. This usually includes trimming the nails, triming the shaggy hair at the loins, giving a bath and lots of training / practise. Some carry it farther but those are basic for a bigger show. Local club shows not so much.
You can say you're not going to or shouldn't have to but f you get beat by a cleaner better trained dog when you shouldn't have then who's fault is it that the other person put more into it.

Posted by H. L. Meyer on 03-20-2012 07:52 PM:

Now Andi

Quote "In AKC it is used on the skin etc, etc, etc. " I thought we were talking about UKC.
Now let's get down to the nuts and bolts of the issue. Chalk and other collors are used at EVERT MAJOR SHOW TODAY they were used in the past and will be used in the future, This is no new issue it was brought up by a person who is no longer showing dogs a long time ago, nothing was done then and nothing will be done now. Just like the issue of druging dogs that was also visited a LONG time ago.
Now while we are at it let's visit another issue UKC licens TWO types of events 1- All Breed Show 2- BENCH SHOW has UKC alowed judges to combined both into one as, If i go to a all breed show, which we have, I have never been asked to put my dog on a bench period. Now let's visit the COON DOG BENCH SHOW which is advertised as such and there I think is where the trouble lies. There I am asked to gate my dog by running, fast walk what ever that is, jog, prance,run do what ever i think the judge wants, which I am never sure of and do one of the above in a area that is NEVER conducive to such activity, then place them on a bench get beat and told THE WINNER GAITED A LITTLE BETTER. BENCH SHOW?. ALL BREAD? HUMMMMM maybee why I sent my judges card in confused.

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Posted by H. L. Meyer on 03-20-2012 07:57 PM:

Let ME ADD ONE OTHER THING

IN THE RULE BOOK IT STATES "NO CHALKING ALLOWED" HUMMMM RULES ARE MADE TO BE BROKE.Now that is all I'm going to say about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by by H L

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Posted by Andi Elburn on 03-20-2012 08:00 PM:

We are discussing animals, they aren't made on a assembly line, none are ever going to be exactly the same. There are always more factors than which is cleaner or better groomed. However a dog more prepared, trained, well kept etc gives the judge a better view of what they are working with.

Well said Dale

Posted by LMBEDDINGFIELD on 03-20-2012 08:38 PM:

Boy now didn't we open a can of worms..........lol

Posted by H. L. Meyer on 03-21-2012 12:30 AM:

Now we are getting somewhere

lauraroeder tell it like it is. Don't matter whether it is against the rules or not "JUST DO IT" don't matter anyway aint no body gona do anything about it . Gona go see if one of these black dogs can put one up tonight. see yea

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Posted by corky crowder on 03-21-2012 04:22 PM:

HL
HOW DID THOSE BLACK DOGS DO LAST NIGHT

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