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Posted by Dustin Myers on 01-18-2012 04:14 AM:

Idaho Lightfoot Pics

Treed a lion today. Venom did a great job in the lead dog role. Chrome rolled in and treed good too. This was just his second lion tree. Finally got some snow, so hopefully I can get several days of hunting in before it melts again.

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Posted by Dustin Myers on 01-18-2012 04:26 AM:

Here's a cell phone video. It kept fogging up on me, so it's not very good quality.

Posted by WillowCreek ken on 01-18-2012 05:26 AM:

Dogs look really good Dustin! Sound good to!

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Posted by Okie Hunter on 01-18-2012 06:15 AM:

Wow great pics.

Almost look like a studio setting they are so good! Great job. You have some nice looking hounds. I am partial to the blue colored English dogs.

Posted by terry_goforth on 01-18-2012 11:34 AM:

Dustin

Nice video.

Posted by Doug Robinson on 01-18-2012 12:52 PM:

Dustin

Great pics as usual! While us coonhunters are waitin on a warmup youre out pushin in the snow! Keep the pics and posts coming!

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Posted by tom edwards on 01-18-2012 03:50 PM:

Looking good

Thats what I like to see ,keep them coming. I may have to look into a cat dog . Love the looks of your country but I don't think I could handle it. These mole hills in MO. are to much for me. KEEP THEM COMING. TOM

Posted by tom edwards on 01-18-2012 04:54 PM:

Dustin

Do you have anything close to the SNAPSHOT female a person could talk you out of? Something young and a female that has her looks. I like a hound that looks like a hound and I may have to have a cat dog someday. Pm me if you have something . TOM

Posted by Dustin Myers on 01-18-2012 07:59 PM:

Thanks everyone.

Tom, I don't have anything that close to her, or that I want to part with right now. I sold her to a man in Oklahoma a few years back. He bred her to a dog named Thurber's Rip. He was heavy Lightfoot and Grand Lake. I don't know where all of them ended up.

Posted by locktiteenglish on 01-18-2012 10:43 PM:

dustin

hello dogs looking good hope al is well with your family

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Posted by quigley on 01-19-2012 08:31 PM:

Dustin Myers

Them are some good looking hounds , I Know you have stayed with this line of hounds for a long time and I 've never hunted with lightfoot hounds and I was wondering what there strong points was , I love the looks of them and I imagine they have a little grit because I see that you big game hunt and have a lot of snow this time of the year and that is my question , how is there nose . Are they cold nosed and grub a trackup and tree or are they hot nosed and run with there head up and wind and tree , being that the wind covers a lot of there tracks with snow or are they medium nosed or are they both can run a cold track and tree layups . Sorry so long , I was just curious , not that familiar with Lightfoot hounds but sure do like there looks.

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Posted by Dustin Myers on 01-20-2012 04:04 AM:

Before I begin I want to say that in this post I will be describing my opinions of the Lightfoot hounds I have owned, bred, or hunted with. Other people may have different opinions of the hounds they have hunted with. My goal is simply to describe our hounds as accurately as I can, and in no way do I intend to offend anyone.

The Lightfoot hounds we have bred and hunted out west, in my opinion would fall into the category of cold nosed, trailing type hounds. They have good track speed compared to most other hounds I’ve hunted with. Although I have hunted with a couple of other hounds over the years that were faster. The typical Idaho Lightfoot hound that we have produced over the last several years was physically and mentally tough, with good athletic ability and endurance to make long hard races. They are the type of hound that handles extreme conditions and rough terrain well. Most of them have the ability to cold trail and can do a way better than average job of it, compared to most of the hounds I have hunted with.

They naturally tend to be hounds that have the meat when they tree and won’t lead you to a bunch of empty trees. That doesn’t mean they never tree wrong, because it does happen on occasion. Some of the more tree minded individuals will make a few slick trees when they are young, but they all seem to get it figured out relatively easy with a little correction and experience. When you have to walk up and down these mountains to get to their trees, they had better not be wrong very often. Years ago I had gotten rid of a couple hounds from some of the different bloodlines I had tried, because they treed wrong a little more than I wanted to put up with. I have not had this problem since I started hunting Lightfoot hounds.

Another characteristic that these hounds have been known for, is being hard headed hounds with lots of drive, but not always the best handling. They seemed to be the worst when it’s time to go hunting and turn them loose. Getting them out of the dog box and putting collars on them often consisted of a few right hooks to the head, several cuss words, and the occasional roll in the snow. LOL. Some hunters don’t mind this, and admire the drive and determination of a hard headed hound. Others would prefer a hound with a little better handling.

Over the last couple generations there have been a couple of characteristics that we have been working toward improving to produce the type of hounds that we wanted to hunt. Our goal has always been to breed for the type of hound that we wanted to hunt, and have not worried about breeding for what might sell better to the public. We have never chased titles or the flavor of the month. That being said, we went against the conventional wisdom of breeding for big game dogs, when we made our last outcross. The dog that we felt had the most characteristics to help us improve on the things we wanted to improve on, was Gr Nt Ch Gibson’s Sunset Luke. The fact that he was a Gr Nt had nothing to do with our decision. Breeding to a titled coon dog would probably turn off more big game hunters that it would impress. But regardless of that we felt Luke was the right dog, from an outstanding litter of top hounds. On top of that was the fact that he was owned by a top notch guy in Randy Gibson. A couple of the things we hoped to get from breeding to Luke was to improve the handling of our dogs and settle them down at the tree a little.

My partner Brian and I are now in our second generation after making this outcross and we have been very pleased with the results. We have gotten hounds with more than enough drive and determination. While we have definitely noticed an improvement in their overall handling. We have also picked up a little extra track speed and quickness. The Luke dogs are stay put pressure tree dogs, that are a little more settled down and less rambunctious at the tree, as far as bouncing around and chewing goes, than our hounds were before we bred to him. We are in the process of selecting the individuals from these litters that have improved in the traits we wanted them to, while still carrying the good characteristics that have made the Lightfoot hounds work so well for us. So far it’s working great and we like the young hounds we have coming up as well or better than anything we have had. We will now go about crossing those hounds back and forth on each other to lock up the advancements in the bloodline that we have worked so hard to achieve.

Randy and his gang back east seem to be having good success with similar type Luke/Lightfoot crosses, and they have several nice young hounds themselves. We have developed a good relationship/friendship through working together for the advancement of both bloodlines, and we will continue to do so in the future. When good people with good hounds work together, everyone benefits, has more fun, and jealousy and egos tend to not be a problem.

We don’t have much for coon, and I’ve never seen a lion or bear just laying up in a tree. But if they did, I’m quite confident these hounds would be supreme “Layup Artists” LOL. Just kidding. I have no idea what type of layup dogs they would be, as my coon hunting experience is fairly limited.

We have been fortunate enough to get pretty good percentages out of most of the crosses we make. This doesn’t mean they all walk on water. But if the majority of them can consistently get the job done we want them to do, we feel it was a success. Of course even with the best laid plans there are still the occasional culls. When we get a cull we don’t sell them or give them away, we cull them like I believe responsible breeders should do. As it says in my signature “Our goal isn’t to produce the highest number of hounds we can. It is to produce the highest percentage, of the highest quality of hounds we can.”

Thank you for reading. I hope this answered most of your questions. If you have anymore I will try to answer them the best I can.

Dustin

Posted by Dustin Myers on 01-20-2012 04:11 AM:

Here's a couple pedigrees of the outcross we made and the 2nd generation when we line bred it back in.

------------------------GRNITECH HARMON’S INK
----------------NITECH HARMON’S NICK
------------------------CH BLUE GIRL SADIE
--------GRNITECH GIBSON’S SUNSET LUKE
------------------------GRNITECH GRCH HALL’S COMANCHE
----------------NITECH JOHNSON AND GIBSON’S KATIE
------------------------NITECH GIBSON’S RUBY

IDAHO LIGHTFOOT SMOKE
& IDAHO LIGHTFOOT VENOM (littermates)

------------------------NEWBREED LIGHTFOOT DICK
----------------IDAHO LIGHT FOOT BLACK JACK
------------------------IDAHO LIGHT FOOT BLITZ
--------IDAHO LIGHTFOOT STINGER
------------------------LIGHT FOOT MR. RED BIRD
----------------IDAHO LIGHT FOOT WHIPLASH
------------------------LIGHTFOOT NEW BREED HOOKER

.............................................................................................

------------------------NITECH HARMON’S NICK
----------------GRNITECH GIBSON’S SUNSET LUKE
------------------------NITECH JOHNSON AND GIBSON’S KATIE
--------IDAHO LIGHTFOOT SMOKE
------------------------IDAHO LIGHT FOOT BLACK JACK
----------------IDAHO LIGHTFOOT STINGER
------------------------IDAHO LIGHT FOOT WHIPLASH

IDAHO LIGHTFOOT CHROME
& IDAHO LIGHTFOOT STORM (Littermates)

------------------------NEWBREED LIGHTFOOT DICK
----------------IDAHO LIGHT FOOT BLACK JACK
------------------------IDAHO LIGHT FOOT BLITZ
--------IDAHO LIGHTFOOT SANDY
------------------------LIGHT FOOT MR. RED BIRD
----------------IDAHO LIGHT FOOT WHIPLASH
------------------------LIGHTFOOT NEW BREED HOOKER

Posted by terry_goforth on 01-20-2012 12:30 PM:

Dustin

I really enjoyed reading your post. What kind of camera are you using.

Posted by Dustin Myers on 01-20-2012 01:26 PM:

Thanks Terry. It's a Nikon D90 $1200

It's 17 degrees right now. A little warmer than yesterday. I'm just heading out to see what I can kind for cat tracks. Yesterday all I found was wolves.

Posted by Rory Cowles on 01-20-2012 01:41 PM:

Dustin does the Hooker female in your dogs ped go back to my old jesse dog?

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Posted by quigley on 01-20-2012 09:27 PM:

Dustin Myers

Dustin thanks for the info , I really enjoyed reading it and appreciate you taking the time to describe your hounds and your goals in which I totally agree and feel the same way , I would much rather have less numbers and better percentage , than have more numbers and less percentage . I was just wondering with that snow being heavy and the wind blowing hard and covering there tracks up , how that would effect there nose . Thats reason I was asking about the layup , I figured it would be hard to run a track in those conditions. Even though I don't big game hunt , I like the quality in a hound much the way that you have described yours . I will take determination anyday and accuracy over speed anyday , Thanks again I really enjoyed it and Good Luck With Your Hounds, they are really nice lookin. One more thing what about the Mouths are they big , do they bawl on track and chop on tree or straight chop , sorry for so many questions.

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Posted by tom edwards on 01-20-2012 10:38 PM:

Dustin

It all goes back to heart ,and you sound as though you know BOATER. Left hooks ,roll in the snow ,bone head, but you got to love him,Thats what makes them what they are. Good luck in the future. TOM

Posted by Dustin Myers on 01-20-2012 10:48 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Rory Cowles
Dustin does the Hooker female in your dogs ped go back to my old jesse dog?

Yes she does Rory. Here is here pedigree.

----------------World Nite Ch Cowles' Big River Jesse
--------Gr Nite Ch Jones Big Woods Red Man
----------------Hinton's Amos Annie
Lightfoot New Breed Hooker
----------------Nite Ch Lightfoot Mr. Blue Bird
--------Hutsons Lightfoot Blue Ruby
----------------Light Foot New Breed Snap

Posted by Dustin Myers on 01-20-2012 11:58 PM:

quigley,
We don't have to much of a problem with the wind here. Although we do run tracks that have been snowed in quite a bit. Snow in the track doesn't seem to hurt the scent much at all, and they can usually run the tracks as they should according to how old it is, without being bothered by a few inches of fresh snow in it.

We have always gotten a mix of both bawl and chop mouthed dogs on track. In the last couple generations we have gotten a much higher percentage of bawl mouth track dogs. I believe there are two reasons for this happening. One is that we have line bred on our Black Jack dog, who had a very nice bawl mouth. The other is that Luke helped put bawl mouths on them and a pretty tone in their voice that I really like. We have two litters out of Brian's Smoke dog, and almost all of them have beautiful bawl mouths and sound a lot alike. Both litters are grandsons of Luke and double Black Jack bred.

------------------------NITECH HARMON’S NICK
----------------GRNITECH GIBSON’S SUNSET LUKE
------------------------NITECH JOHNSON AND GIBSON’S KATIE
--------IDAHO LIGHTFOOT SMOKE
------------------------IDAHO LIGHT FOOT BLACK JACK
----------------IDAHO LIGHTFOOT STINGER
------------------------IDAHO LIGHT FOOT WHIPLASH

IDAHO LIGHTFOOT CHROME
& IDAHO LIGHTFOOT STORM (Littermates)

------------------------NEWBREED LIGHTFOOT DICK
----------------IDAHO LIGHT FOOT BLACK JACK
------------------------IDAHO LIGHT FOOT BLITZ
--------IDAHO LIGHTFOOT SANDY
------------------------LIGHT FOOT MR. RED BIRD
----------------IDAHO LIGHT FOOT WHIPLASH
------------------------LIGHTFOOT NEW BREED HOOKER

...........................................................................................

------------------------NITECH HARMON’S NICK
----------------GRNITECH GIBSON’S SUNSET LUKE
------------------------NITECH JOHNSON AND GIBSON’S KATIE
--------IDAHO LIGHTFOOT SMOKE
------------------------IDAHO LIGHT FOOT BLACK JACK
----------------IDAHO LIGHTFOOT STINGER
------------------------IDAHO LIGHT FOOT WHIPLASH
IDAHO LIGHTFOOT DOC
------------------------NEWBREED LIGHTFOOT DICK
----------------IDAHO LIGHT FOOT BLACK JACK
------------------------IDAHO LIGHT FOOT BLITZ
--------IDAHO LIGHTFOOT NO MERCY
------------------------NEWBREED LIGHTFOOT DICK
----------------IDAHO LIGHTFOOT COBY
------------------------LIGHTFOOT NEW BREED HOOKER

Posted by cooncoe on 01-21-2012 12:04 AM:

....and Rory, here was my NT. CH. Lightfoot Mr. Blue Bird....a harder treedog never lived....and he produced lightning quick monster treedogs.....I'll tell you all about it when I come up Thursday.

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Posted by Rory Cowles on 01-21-2012 12:31 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Dustin Myers
Yes she does Rory. Here is here pedigree.

----------------World Nite Ch Cowles' Big River Jesse
--------Gr Nite Ch Jones Big Woods Red Man
----------------Hinton's Amos Annie
Lightfoot New Breed Hooker
----------------Nite Ch Lightfoot Mr. Blue Bird
--------Hutsons Lightfoot Blue Ruby
----------------Light Foot New Breed Snap

Thought so whats the Chrome dog like

Posted by Wildcountry on 01-21-2012 01:01 AM:

Dustin enjoyed reading your post I have always liked vemon nice looking female. maybe one of these days I can get randy to take a long road trip and come chase a cat.

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Posted by Dustin Myers on 01-21-2012 01:38 AM:

Coe,
Chrome and Strorm have Blue Bird 10 times in their pedigree. Doc's litter has him 11 times.

Rory,
Chrome is still young, but is doing well for his age and experience. Most of all I just really like everything about him. He is a little smaller than most of our males usually are, which is something I wanted. Yet he still has a beautiful houndy head, great confomation, and a pretty bawl mouth. He is a level headed type hound that is a pleasure to handle and hunt. He still has a ways to go. But it's always nice to start will a prospect that has the little extras you hope for in a hound.

Idaho Lightfoot Smoke

Idaho Lightfoot Chrome at about a year old.

Idaho Lightfoot Storm

Idaho Lightfoot Doc at 11 months old.

Posted by RANDY GIBSON on 01-21-2012 05:03 AM:

Maggie

------------------------GRNITECH HARMON’S INK
----------------NITECH HARMON’S NICK
------------------------CH BLUE GIRL SADIE
--------GRNITECH GIBSON’S SUNSET LUKE
------------------------GRNITECH GRCH HALL’S COMANCHE
----------------NITECH JOHNSON AND GIBSON’S KATIE
------------------------NITECH GIBSON’S RUBY

MAGGIE---

-----------------------NITECH CH 'PR'LIGHTFOOT MR. BLUEBIRD
----------------LIGHTFOOT MR RED BIID
-----------------------LIGHTFOOT NEW BREED SNAP
----------LIGHTFOOT JEWEL
-----------------------GRNTCH JONE'S BIG WOODS RED MAN
----------------LIGHTFOOT NEW BREED HOOKER
------------------------HUTSONS LIGHTFOOT BLUE RUBY

Rory i'm really liking this little female--she takes her tracks as she comes to them--she was impressive tonight in the pouring down
rain--shes coming 3 in april-- but this is her first real season--

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