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Posted by Todd K / UKC on 10-27-2011 03:58 PM:

Another HTX Discussion

That last one was pretty good. Let me toss this out there for some input. I'm guessing we will have mixed opinions and that's fine. For the record, those of us at UKC have mixed opinions on it.

Currently, we do not allow clubs to host a licensed hunt test on the night of a licensed nite hunt. Should we?

I have an opinion but I'll hold mine until some of you have had a chance to voice yours. Lets hear the pros and cons and which way you side in the end.

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 10-27-2011 04:00 PM:

Re: Another HTX Discussion

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Originally posted by todd kellam
That last one was pretty good. Let me toss this out there for some input. I'm guessing we will have mixed opinions and that's fine. For the record, those of us at UKC have mixed opinions on it.

Currently, we do not allow clubs to host a licensed hunt test on the night of a licensed nite hunt. Should we?

I have an opinion but I'll hold mine until some of you have had a chance to voice yours. Lets hear the pros and cons and which way you side in the end.

Yes, I think that instead of having so many spectators on casts they would have an option to at least participate in something.

Only huge obstacle I see in the way would be having enough proper judges to make it happen.

Posted by josh on 10-27-2011 04:04 PM:

Re: Re: Another HTX Discussion

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Originally posted by Hoosier Man1

Only huge obstacle I see in the way would be having enough proper judges to make it happen.

Yup....

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Posted by Pat Bizich on 10-27-2011 04:06 PM:

I'd say give it a try.There are alot of older fellas that sit around waiting for the casts to return that still coon hunt.There are also some others there at times doing nothing but waiting for casts.Maybe this would give them something to try .Since the tests are only one hour they would beat the casts back too.If it don't work that would be up to the club when to hold them any way.

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Posted by Whordel on 10-27-2011 04:11 PM:

I'll second that.I would love to put a HTX title on my pup before he turns 1.

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Posted by cbcoonskinner on 10-27-2011 04:18 PM:

I can see some title hunters not liking their draw or what they might draw against, and hunting in the htx. So maybe the deadline should be the same for each. Or draw htx at different deadline at a later time then the handler could draw a cast, withdraw and then enter hunt test if he didn't like what he drew. More money for UKC and the host club that way.

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Posted by Slough on 10-27-2011 04:19 PM:

I would say no. My fear would be loosing to many guide/judges from the club to the HTX test on the same night.

Todd, I think the HTX is a good thing, but is going to take some time to catch on. We are going to have some 1 day when we can get some schedulung worked out. The biggest problem I see is getting the word out to non-comp hunters. Most are not members of clubs and dont subscribe to the Mag. Next thing is for hunters to get in the habit of looking at the HTX upcoming schedule.

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Posted by JiM on 10-27-2011 04:33 PM:

I think it would go a long ways towards getting more clubs to hold HTX hunts and getting more participation. The judge thing wouldn't concern me. I would worry about getting the entries long before I'd be worried about covering judges or guides for the HTX.

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Posted by blueticker on 10-27-2011 05:12 PM:

If I was to speculate the reason this question is being asked is because the htx hunters and clubs have declined in participation.

There would be a few show up just for the htx that may not ever hunt in a regular hunt. Running them both together could possibly pull hunters from the regular hunt already with low numbers. The leaders of the club would not have to open the doors up the extra nights to run the htx hunts. I'm sure there's other issues but a few that I thought of.

I am a poor one to comment because the HTX means nothing to me on the prefix of a hound. It only tells me a hound can possibly tree a coon alone. On the opposing side, there may Gr Nt's that won't go hunting, strike a coon and tree it.

Before jumping off the wagon with both feet, I would select a few clubs with good attendance and equally with bad attendance in both type hunts and evaluate the outcome.

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Posted by Blue Iron on 10-27-2011 05:19 PM:

I think it's an excellent idea.

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Posted by Robert Johnson on 10-27-2011 05:20 PM:

my vote is no, and yes, as a club offical, you do need to be worried about good judges and guides, long before you take the first entry. Wether you are Comp Hunting, which is by far going to be your backbone, or HTX, good judges and guides are the key. For the record, i would hate to loose hunt entries to the HTX, when some folks would think it was cutting into the scarcely available good ground to hunt on. On the flip side, if you have the package to make it happen, in a fair honest way for both, then have at it. I just know for sure we could not handle both on the same night.

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 10-27-2011 05:29 PM:

I think they should be mandantory at every single club house and there should be not 1 but 2 judges that go along on the hunt. By "mandantory" I mean I think that a dog should have to successfully complete 3 HTX before they are even allowed to compete in the first nite hunt at all. And if either judge sees any type of feeder during the course of the hunt then that hunt is totally scratched and does not count. Just my opinions.

Posted by Jason Baldwin on 10-27-2011 05:31 PM:

And once a dog fails 3 different hunt tests. They are disqualified from ever competing in one again.

Posted by JiM on 10-27-2011 05:45 PM:

Ok, and do you have any other great ideas to keep as many as possible out of the sport?

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 10-27-2011 05:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Ok, and do you have any other great ideas to keep as many as possible out of the sport?

Posted by Whordel on 10-27-2011 05:48 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Ok, and do you have any other great ideas to keep as many as possible out of the sport?

LOL!

Posted by Tree Em' up on 10-27-2011 05:50 PM:

i say go for it i would like to try a HTX no harm could be done of it. plus people who are not a big fan of Comp. hunts may come out if they can hunt there dog by itself and get titles on there dogs.

Posted by Jason Baldwin on 10-27-2011 06:04 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Ok, and do you have any other great ideas to keep as many as possible out of the sport?

Like I said , Just my opinion. This is the fastest way to get rid of the BS and get down to who is a coondog and who is a me tooing , feeder bucket, slick treeing, fake coondog.

Posted by goodtimekennel on 10-27-2011 06:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
I think they should be mandantory at every single club house and there should be not 1 but 2 judges that go along on the hunt. By "mandantory" I mean I think that a dog should have to successfully complete 3 HTX before they are even allowed to compete in the first nite hunt at all. And if either judge sees any type of feeder during the course of the hunt then that hunt is totally scratched and does not count. Just my opinions.

you can hunt all the htx you want but dont bore me with it, i basicly htx hunt every nite i pleasure hunt , if a dog cant tree a coon i would never take it to a hunt period.

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Posted by GLANCY'S 7 MILE on 10-27-2011 06:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tree Em' up
i say go for it i would like to try a HTX no harm could be done of it. plus people who are not a big fan of Comp. hunts may come out if they can hunt there dog by itself and get titles on there dogs.

I like the HTX test and wish we had some closer to where I live. It would allow older coon hunters who can no longer keep up with a cast, good for younger hunter's who are trying to get a grasp of the competition side of hunting, as well as anyone who wants to show off their dog and it's ability to tree coon by theirself.

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 10-27-2011 06:20 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by goodtimekennel
you can hunt all the htx you want but dont bore me with it, i basicly htx hunt every nite i pleasure hunt , if a dog cant tree a coon i would never take it to a hunt period.

Well then you should have no problem with it then. The ones that are dead set against it, or against the idea I have, you have to wonder what kind of dog they hunt ? Regardless of weather its a nite champion or World champion.

Posted by cwest on 10-27-2011 06:51 PM:

good idea we have at least 4to6 pleasure hunting instead of helping with a night hunt it might work give it a try and see eather way the clubs make money

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Posted by roughcreek on 10-27-2011 07:03 PM:

hey todd

i think judges & guides would be short in hunt & htx if held together on same night. i also think getting honest judges in HTX if held same night would be hard to find if not impossible.

i like the HTX hunts. i wonder if an HTX state race for each state with a state championship would bring more people out to them. i bet it would get a whole lota clubs & hunters more interested.

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Posted by goodtimekennel on 10-27-2011 07:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
Well then you should have no problem with it then. The ones that are dead set against it, or against the idea I have, you have to wonder what kind of dog they hunt ? Regardless of weather its a nite champion or World champion.

WRONG

I DONT AGREE LIKE I SAID YOU CAN HUNT WHATEVER YOU WANT , BUT DONT SAY I HAVE TO HTX HUNT BEFOR I CAN MAKE A DOG NTCH, HECK I HUNT 4 TO 5 NITES A WEEK AS IT IS LOTS OF TIME WITH JUST 1 DOG I ENJOY THE HUNTS, TO GO AND COMPETE SEE HOW MY DOG STACKS UP TO OTHERS , AND TO WIN

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 10-27-2011 07:29 PM:

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LOL.....That would get a lot of them right away and probubly all of them in time.

I think it is a great idea and the only things I hear against it could be solved by not makeing them mandatory. If a club can pull it off then that is great for the hunters and the club. If they can't for any reason they don't have to have them. Freedom to choose doesn't hurt anything.

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