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Should silent dogs be scratched?

I know what the rules say. I've seen a lot of silent trailers lately in the hunts. You have a HUGE advantage if you know your dog is treed when it opens if its got the grease! What's your opinion?

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if its a coonhound it should be allowed to hunt. i dont care if it sings jingle bells for a locate.

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Originally posted by RHK
if its a coonhound it should be allowed to hunt. i dont care if it sings jingle bells for a locate.

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Rule 6. Dogs will be scratched (6i) if dog is continuously silent on trail. So if
you knowing enter and hunt a silent dog you are cheating. My question is what else is okay to do that is against the rules?

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Interesting Post

There is a lot of belly aching about babblers on here, but everyone seems to turn the blind eye towards the silent dog. I guess either one is a major fault.

Bottom line, if you are consistently getting beat by a silent dog, you may want to take a long hard look at what is on the end of your leadstrap relative to the competition hunting realm.

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I'll try to make this simple so that everyone can understand. YES a silent dog should be scratched. You scratch a dog for being mean, you scratch a dog for having 400 minus, SO Yes Yes Yes, scratch them for being silent.

That is the UKC rule, and that is an important trait that seperates a hound from a cur. UKC is a hound registery, not a cur registry, and it is in the UKC rules to scratch a silent hound. So scratch the animal that does not meet the HOUND standard, when hunting by UKC rules.

For those of you that don't like this rule, find another registry that does allow silent trailers and hunt your coon treeing machine under that sanctioning body.

I don't like taking minus points when my dog trees empty, but I think everybody else should have to take theirs when their dog trees empty. DOES THAT SOUND FAIR TO ANYBODY????

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I HAD A REAL NICE MALE DOG ONCE WHO WAS 98 % SILENT ON TRACK. WHEN HE TREED YOU SAW THE COON. I DID NOT ENTER HIM INTO THE HUNTS DUE TO THIS RULE. BUT HE WAS FUN TO HUNT. VERY HARD TO TRAIN A PUP WITH.

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Originally posted by The Seeker
Rule 6. Dogs will be scratched (6i) if dog is continuously silent on trail. So if
you knowing enter and hunt a silent dog you are cheating. My question is what else is okay to do that is against the rules?

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Originally posted by Rocketman55
I'll try to make this simple so that everyone can understand. YES a silent dog should be scratched. You scratch a dog for being mean, you scratch a dog for having 400 minus, SO Yes Yes Yes, scratch them for being silent.

That is the UKC rule, and that is an important trait that seperates a hound from a cur. UKC is a hound registery, not a cur registry, and it is in the UKC rules to scratch a silent hound. So scratch the animal that does not meet the HOUND standard, when hunting by UKC rules.

For those of you that don't like this rule, find another registry that does allow silent trailers and hunt your coon treeing machine under that sanctioning body.

I don't like taking minus points when my dog trees empty, but I think everybody else should have to take theirs when their dog trees empty. DOES THAT SOUND FAIR TO ANYBODY????

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I agree with Seeker, on this one. Choosing what rules to abide by and what ones can be ignored, is a slippery slope.

thedirtyrat1 - why are you voting on anything other than the scoring of a tree. Short of a judge making a call that someone questions, and the scoring of a tree, there's no reason to vote.

I disagree with RHK... I think one of the reasons for some of the rules is to govern what type of dogs we hunt. Curs are silent on trail and hounds are supposed to open. And a portion of the competition is the art of calling your dog. Knowing when they're about to tree and when they are, is part of the competitive aspect of the hunt. But... if you know your dog is treed, simply because it's barking, then it's a no-brainer.

And... I can already hear folks arguing that if a dog wins without getting first or second strike, then they deserve to win. But I'm here to tell you, that where coon are plentiful, you can have a dog slam a coon, and still get an early strike (becaus they must be struck to be treed) without actually opening on trail.

David Schmidt

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UKC is a hound registery, not a cur registry,

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Jmo but I'm like the second poster if it is a registered hound I don't care what he does! A coondog is a coondog! I don't care how you spin it. It's hard to enforce this rule anyway and IMO it will go away one day. Just say it's a bad night and you have a dog that is a layup artist but usually opens on track! He trees 2 layups. By all means let's scratch him! There is no way to enforce this rule without cheating someone

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JUST FOLLOW THE RULES! I DID, I NEVER ENTERED HIM. NEVER BRED HIM EITHER.

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Originally posted by Rocketman55
I'll try to make this simple so that everyone can understand. YES a silent dog should be scratched. You scratch a dog for being mean, you scratch a dog for having 400 minus, SO Yes Yes Yes, scratch them for being silent.

That is the UKC rule, and that is an important trait that seperates a hound from a cur. UKC is a hound registery, not a cur registry, and it is in the UKC rules to scratch a silent hound. So scratch the animal that does not meet the HOUND standard, when hunting by UKC rules.

For those of you that don't like this rule, find another registry that does allow silent trailers and hunt your coon treeing machine under that sanctioning body.

I don't like taking minus points when my dog trees empty, but I think everybody else should have to take theirs when their dog trees empty. DOES THAT SOUND FAIR TO ANYBODY????

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Gold Creek Mundo was 90 percent silent on track. Saw it for myself in 1977. He won the Mississippi State Championship that night. Boys when he treed he made up for his quietness on track. LOUD and the slobber slung.

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The biggest part of this rule everyone seems to be forgetting........consistently silent!!!! Prove a dog hasn't opened 1 time off the tree, it's not easy and if you have a babbler in the bunch forget it.


To the guy that had a dog 98% silent and didn't hunt it in the hunts well that's fine but the Rules allow you to hunt that dog in the hunts!!!!


Give me a silent dog that has the meat everytime it trees and Im good!!!


I have to agree with the person that said if you can beat a dog taking 3rd or 4th strike every drop......you might want to change what's on the end of your leash!

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Use only the Rules UKC has writen not the ones you think should be there!

doesnt make sense. thats a gay rule for sure. sounds like the silent dogs have stuck it to a bunch of people to me. ill make it simple so everyone can understand!!! being silent on track is a physical characteristic,it can not be controlled or changed, a dog is born silent. a mean dog,a slick tree dog or a dog that leaves the tree can be corrected by the handler. that is something a man has a choice over.
so in other words a cur that is open on track should not be allowed in the hunts either? sounds fair to me! while were at it...if hounds are over 60 pounds they cant hunt, if hounds have long legs they cant hunt. if a hounds ears are not over 4 inches long they cant hunt. if a man has plenty of dogpower it shouldnt matter.

UKC is not just a HOUND registry. They have a cur program as well. I hunt curs and hounds and i will say this much. i have one female cur that is semi silent and i have a male that is very open on track. when he gets quite he is fixing to pull the trigger and he has the meat 90% of the time. Silent or semi silent dogs tend to tree faster and also tend to have the meat more often. They can get up on coon faster and before the coon knows whats happening the dog is on him hard. The coon has 2 choices, climb or get caught. I personally hunt curs more now than ever. Smaller woods, limited time and so forth makes the cur more of a winner in my book. i tree just as many coon and don't walk nearly as far lol. I love them all so i don't down either. I have seen some nice hounds that were very very tight on the ground. It does not take first strike to win hunts. It takes a dog that can get under coon to win.

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OK... I know I hunt in "god's country" with regards to coon, but it's not unforeseen for a silent dog to get 2nd, 3rd or even 1st strike around here.

Does that change your opinion???

If not, does anyone care about hunting a hound that looks and acts like a hound? If you want to hunt a fast "tree dog", hunt a cur. If someone found a yorkshire terrier trait that would be advantageous in a hunt or put more meat over-head, should we all start making that cross???

I think the registry is being concsious of the fact that people will breed what wins the hunts, and if they can govern that, without legislating weight, ear length, leg length etc. etc, then I appluad them.

David Schmidt

im with you fellers. lol

ol yeah, i had a guy tell me a while back while hunting that i was not being fair by hunting a tight mouth dog on track. The reason he felt this way is that his dog did not know where my dog was and by the time his dog knew what was going on my dog was treed 150 yrds from the truck and his dog was 400 yrds running track. i had the coon and his dog ended up in a hole. that night my cur showed us 4 coon and his rat attack hound showed us 2 circle trees and a hole. not saying my dog is that much better, but i will say this. when a crook hears a siren he runs and tries to get away. but if a crook don't know the law is there until the cop is up on them welllll they are caught with nowhere to hide.

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im going to say thats a hard rule to enforce because its a hard rule to prove. I would like to own one of those silent track dogs that is a hard tree dog. I have a english dog now that chops on track and on tree and when she is a long ways out there its hard to tell if shes on track or on tree and as much as i hunt her and i have problems telling, i know you would have a hard time telling without seeing her. so could you a strike when you hear that silent dog open up and call tree shortly after that and it would be hard to prove any different?

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im going to say thats a hard rule to enforce because its a hard rule to prove. I would like to own one of those silent track dogs that is a hard tree dog. I have a english dog now that chops on track and on tree and when she is a long ways out there its hard to tell if shes on track or on tree and as much as i hunt her and i have problems telling, i know you would have a hard time telling without seeing her. so could you a strike when you hear that silent dog open up and call tree shortly after that and it would be hard to prove any different?

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but it would be hard to prove but as long as it is a rule I think it should be enforced as long as it could be proven without a shadow of doubt. but like i said its hard to prove. Just like it would be hard to prove some dogs are really striking because they are truly on track. The way I see it is there is a judge there to do his job and if my dog is in a competition he is there to tree a coon and im there to call my dog and the only thing that is important in competition is that when i get to the tree we are looking at the coon and when its all said and done I would prefer to have the most plus points.

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