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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 09-12-2011 06:43 AM:

backtracking ????????????????????

Is it possible for a 6 year old dog , that has treed literally hundreds and hundreds of coons, that has allways been a good track dog, to all of sudden, start backtracking tracks ?????? Not one or two tracks but more like 5 or 6 straight tracks ? And I don't mean 50 or 75 yards, I mean half a mile or more .


Posted by l.lyle on 09-12-2011 07:28 AM:

Re: backtracking ????????????????????

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
Is it possible for a 6 year old dog , that has treed literally hundreds and hundreds of coons, that has allways been a good track dog, to all of sudden, start backtracking tracks ?????? Not one or two tracks but more like 5 or 6 straight tracks ? And I don't mean 50 or 75 yards, I mean half a mile or more .


Back tracking is always a good question. Does it get it figured out and turn around and get on the right end or not? Does it go and get on a two hour old track that does sometime take a hundred yards or so to figure out? Do the tracks just fizzle out? I give myself credit for knowing what a dog does because I am as good at it as I have ever seen at knowing. But the fact is, untill you start putting GPS collars on coons you won't ever know absolutely positively sure unless you were in a treestand and watched that coon for a couple of hours. It's dry here . Does he strike in good trailing area and head on up on a sandy pine ridge? That's no excuse. I had a twelve year old dog that would trail and tree and haul buggy and start the track over again and tree again on the same tree. I guess he just wanted to make double certain but it drove me crazy.

A six year old dog? No.


Posted by Jason Baldwin on 09-12-2011 07:34 AM:

nothing but den trees and brush piles. Every track now is a LONG, OLD, COLD, BAD track. And allways ends up in a den tree. He never turns around and goes back the other way. Strikes a cold track and never ever really warms it up. Cold trails for half a mile or more than that and takes 30 minutes or an hour to get there and then allways trees a den tree. Aint actually SEEN a coon in about 5 or 6 hunts. Starts to tree 5 or 6 different times on the way in yonder. Super wishy washy. The further the track goes the more trees he hits up on. Even locates good sometimes. Just quits it, mops it all over the woods, and ends up on a den. Every night now is the same song and dance. Its' getting old and has me worried.


Posted by l.lyle on 09-12-2011 07:53 AM:

I don't know. The way I figure it is if a dog ain't got a clue what's getting colder he still has a 50/50 chance of getting on the right end to start with.


Posted by jackbob42 on 09-12-2011 12:28 PM:

Has this only been within the last week?
If so , I could tell you whats going on. But , unless you have a little ambition to prove it to yourself , you ain't gonna believe it.

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Posted by blake jones on 09-12-2011 01:16 PM:

spill it, what might be the problem?


Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 09-12-2011 01:57 PM:

My good english dog started doing this last year. I would cut him and he'd make a den. Then I would cut my female and she would tree a coon in short order. I did this for several cuts during a 3 night span. He kept making dens and she kept treeing coon.

Well I finally had enough of it so I went in to the next den looked it over good and whooped him good and sent him on. It only took 2 more times before he got the message

The only way to fix it in my oppinion is whip them and sent them on right from the den.


Posted by BUCKEYE BILLY on 09-12-2011 02:43 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
nothing but den trees and brush piles. Every track now is a LONG, OLD, COLD, BAD track. And allways ends up in a den tree. He never turns around and goes back the other way. Strikes a cold track and never ever really warms it up. Cold trails for half a mile or more than that and takes 30 minutes or an hour to get there and then allways trees a den tree. Aint actually SEEN a coon in about 5 or 6 hunts. Starts to tree 5 or 6 different times on the way in yonder. Super wishy washy. The further the track goes the more trees he hits up on. Even locates good sometimes. Just quits it, mops it all over the woods, and ends up on a den. Every night now is the same song and dance. Its' getting old and has me worried.
i bet u got pretty good track dog most of the time. It pretty simple of what's going on. Just hit me like rock one day. Call me and ill explain. It help me with my breeding program. 330-749-7176 norm.


Posted by jackbob42 on 09-12-2011 07:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by blake jones
spill it, what might be the problem?


Live trap a coon tonight.
Wait till the moon is up tomorrow night. Turn it loose. Wait 10 minutes and then turn the dog loose and see what happens..........

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Posted by Dan Dogs on 09-12-2011 09:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
nothing but den trees and brush piles. Every track now is a LONG, OLD, COLD, BAD track. And allways ends up in a den tree. He never turns around and goes back the other way. Strikes a cold track and never ever really warms it up. Cold trails for half a mile or more than that and takes 30 minutes or an hour to get there and then allways trees a den tree. Aint actually SEEN a coon in about 5 or 6 hunts. Starts to tree 5 or 6 different times on the way in yonder. Super wishy washy. The further the track goes the more trees he hits up on. Even locates good sometimes. Just quits it, mops it all over the woods, and ends up on a den. Every night now is the same song and dance. Its' getting old and has me worried.
i think the problem is the coon are feeding in the day time.. cold tracks and tapping trees.. try changing your hunting habits and start hunting different area.. the coon are smarting up to you. coon are like deer, if the deer get pressured they'll get nocturnal.. if coon get pressured they start feeding in the daylight.

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Posted by Gary Roberson on 09-12-2011 10:34 PM:

Jason
The problem sounds a little strange to me. Why would a dog that had never had this problem before start doing it so consistently? Over the years, I have found that all dogs will take the wrong end of a track from time to time but the better dogs don't waste time turning around on it.
I have found that my dogs will do this more on a real hot track than they will on a cold track. I guess a lot has to do with the level of excitement of strong scent causes them to want to run before finding out which way to go. Another reason that they won't trail a cold track backward very far is if they hit a bad track, they might not have to go far before the scent gets so weak that they loose interest. When this happens, they should know to turn around.
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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 09-12-2011 11:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Dan Dogs
i think the problem is the coon are feeding in the day time.. cold tracks and tapping trees.. try changing your hunting habits and start hunting different area.. the coon are smarting up to you. coon are like deer, if the deer get pressured they'll get nocturnal.. if coon get pressured they start feeding in the daylight.



I hope you are right and i think you are. This is what my friend days also.


Posted by greg stull on 09-12-2011 11:54 PM:

JASON I HAD SOME OF THE BEST RACES I'VE HAD IN AWHILE THIS PAST WEEKEND. BUT THEY WHERE AROUND 3 TO 4 AM.

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Posted by hillbilly56 on 09-13-2011 01:08 AM:

back tracking

sounds like he got a walker dog lol


Posted by Jim Hill on 09-13-2011 01:47 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Dan Dogs
i think the problem is the coon are feeding in the day time.. cold tracks and tapping trees.. try changing your hunting habits and start hunting different area.. the coon are smarting up to you. coon are like deer, if the deer get pressured they'll get nocturnal.. if coon get pressured they start feeding in the daylight.
i have seen more and more coon out durung the day here lately, i mean some at 11 am and so at about 6 pm coming out of den trees right next to my deer stand

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 09-13-2011 02:01 AM:

Re: back tracking

quote:
Originally posted by hillbilly56
sounds like he got a walker dog lol
very few walker dogs backtrack. I can tell you a few breeds that are pros at it though.


Posted by hillbilly56 on 09-13-2011 02:07 AM:

Re: Re: back tracking

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
very few walker dogs backtrack. I can tell you a few breeds that are pros at it though.
not trying to start a war but i aint seen but a few good walkers and i been around hounds from a kid but every body got thier own opion


Posted by Jason Baldwin on 09-13-2011 02:10 AM:

Yeah the more i think about it, i seriously doubt thats it. I cant see a dog bieng a coondog its whole life and then just start backtracking. I just think hes doing the best he can with what hes got to work with out there.


Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 09-13-2011 02:46 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
Yeah the more i think about it, i seriously doubt thats it. I cant see a dog bieng a coondog its whole life and then just start backtracking. I just think hes doing the best he can with what hes got to work with out there.
Don't be satisfied with that jason. Try what I said. Whoop him good and send him on. Even veteran dogs need corrected from time to time.


Posted by Jason Baldwin on 09-13-2011 02:50 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
Don't be satisfied with that jason. Try what I said. Whoop him good and send him on. Even veteran dogs need corrected from time to time.


There a lot of things i have considered but whooping him for treeing dens and working tough tracks aint one of them. But, the thing is everybody trains there own way.


Posted by l.lyle on 09-13-2011 03:03 AM:

Can't wait for those coon unit Gps to come out. He could back track to an empty den. He could front track to a den the coon was already in when you turned loose. He could trail and workit up some and a coon knows where a nearby hollow is and takes to it. Who knows ? There aren't an over abundance of hollows in the woods I hunt though, thank goodness.


Posted by jackbob42 on 09-13-2011 04:48 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
There a lot of things i have considered but whooping him for treeing dens and working tough tracks aint one of them. But, the thing is everybody trains there own way.


If you have any ambition , do what I told you and see for yourself.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 09-13-2011 05:42 AM:

I ain't made a den in months. How much you been hunting him? Hunt him 2 or 3 hours a night for 14 days straight. Get back with me and tell me if he's fixed or not.

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 09-13-2011 06:49 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by jackbob42
If you have any ambition , do what I told you and see for yourself.


i may just do that


Posted by Jason Baldwin on 09-13-2011 06:49 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
I ain't made a den in months. How much you been hunting him? Hunt him 2 or 3 hours a night for 14 days straight. Get back with me and tell me if he's fixed or not.



I would have to hire you to do THAT much hunting. LOL


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