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Posted by Hokieman on 03-24-2011 06:19 AM:

Do You Want Longer Range From Your Garmins?

go to a radio shop vhf or one that deals with motorola or kentwood give them these specs~

4' whip antenna tuned to 152.5 mhz, 3db gain, magnetic mount, with a female SMA connector. GARMIN HAS 5 FREQ. 151.820,151.880,151.940,154.570 & 154.600
anything 150.000-160.00 MHZ should work Loading...

i talked to a guy the other day he bout to start selling the yagi antenna's off the quick track reciever one that is 150.00-160.00Mhz he showed getting 16.1 miles out of his garmin it's kind of unbeliveable but i seen it

OR USE A YAGI ANTENNA

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Posted by intellectualist on 03-24-2011 11:21 PM:

This information has been covered on these forums several times on many different posts but thanks for trying.
That is a horrible price on a yagi tuned to the MURS frequency (same as the Astro) on the ebay link by the way.
If I went on Mt. Mitchell (highest peak east of the Mississippi) with my astro, which is about 35 minutes from my house and someone else went east on I-40 with a collar, I bet I could show you 50-75 miles and probably more in spots so that 16 miles he is showing on the ebay link does not impress me. I would have to see the conditions he is achieving that under although I know with the gain a yagi presents, it is possible but not normal under general hunting conditions!

Posted by Two Toes on 03-25-2011 12:00 AM:

50 - 75 miles?????

I been known to sip on my bath water a tad but I'd hav'ta see that to remotely come close to beleivin it. We live in the hill's,small mountains or whatever ya wana call it. From the top or anywhere if we get past a mile thats impressive.

Not sayin ya don't have some special heat seeking extra terestrial (sp) one of a kind get'er done method but I'd be happy to see 2 miles in these parts.

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Posted by intellectualist on 03-25-2011 12:15 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Two Toes
50 - 75 miles?????

I been known to sip on my bath water a tad but I'd hav'ta see that to remotely come close to beleivin it. We live in the hill's,small mountains or whatever ya wana call it. From the top or anywhere if we get past a mile thats impressive.

Not sayin ya don't have some special heat seeking extra terestrial (sp) one of a kind get'er done method but I'd be happy to see 2 miles in these parts.

I can understand your lack of knowledge with RF technology causing you to believe it can't be done!
You have to realize that "HAAT", or height above average terrain is what makes all the difference in propagating a VHF signal.
You are referencing a signal being propagated in an area where the HAAT is similar, for miles and miles. I am referencing going to a mountain that literally is above everything in every direction for hundreds of miles!
It is the elevation that is helping the signal and the fact I would be using a multi element yagi to pull in the collar signal! You will never get these results in actual hunting conditions and I only made the reference to show the man that the pic of the astro getting 16 miles was not impressive because the conditions under which it was acheived is unknown!
There are several transmitters at the specified site that are being uplinked from many, many miles away with control frequencies not even putting out one watt of transmit power!
It is all about the HAAT and the antenna!
You can carry a CB radio there with a cheap antenna and no amp and literally work five states with it! I have done it most every time I went there with that purpose!
Cbers from Charlotte to knoxville to Columbia can literally put your signal meter in the red!

Posted by Two Toes on 03-25-2011 12:22 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by intellectualist
I can understand your lack of knowledge with RF technology causing you to believe it can't be done!
You have to realize that "HAAT", or height above average terrain is what makes all the difference in propagating a VHF signal.
You are referencing a signal being propagated in an area where the HAAT is similar, for miles and miles. I am referencing going to a mountain that literally is above everything in every direction for hundreds of miles!
It is the elevation that is helping the signal and the fact I would be using a muti element yagi to pull in the collar signal! You will never get these results in actual hunting conditions and I only made the reference to show the man that the pic of the astro getting 16 miles was not impressive because the conditions under which it was acheived is unknown!
There are several transmitters at the specified site that are being uplinked from many, many miles away with control frequencies not even putting out one watt of transmit power!
It is all about the HAAT and the antenna!

"SURE", what ever it is your speakin of.

I wana know how many of ya'll are packin these special heat seeking units cuz I gaurantee I never got much past a mile. Height & all that BS really irrelavent to us uneducated swamp dumb kinda folks,speakin for myself of course.

50 miles??

Posted by Hokieman on 03-25-2011 12:24 AM:

That isn't mine I used it for an example. tried of show people to do it themselves and save yourself some money isn't that what these other folks has done and selling them tripple of what their actually worth. I can name a few who sells the extended range ones and it makes me sick. they don't manufacture it, they didn't make it. they just buy it for 10.00 and sell it for 25.00

Posted by intellectualist on 03-25-2011 12:32 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Two Toes
"SURE", what ever it is your speakin of.

I wana know how many of ya'll are packin these special heat seeking units cuz I gaurantee I never got much past a mile. Height & all that BS really irrelavent to us uneducated swamp dumb kinda folks,speakin for myself of course.

50 miles??

I could prove it but it would have to be here and the parkway will have to be open to that section which may not occur until April 1st.
Your tenor indicates that you would be too closed minded to believe the results if they were put before you so what would be the use.

Posted by intellectualist on 03-25-2011 12:34 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hokieman
That isn't mine I used it for an example. tried of show people to do it themselves and save yourself some money isn't that what these other folks has done and selling them tripple of what their actually worth. I can name a few who sells the extended range ones and it makes me sick. they don't manufacture it, they didn't make it. they just buy it for 10.00 and sell it for 25.00

I would buy them all day long for $25 certantly not for $110. You have some yagis for that price???

Posted by Hokieman on 03-25-2011 12:38 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by intellectualist
I would buy them all day long for $25 certantly not for $110. You have some yagis for that price???

I'm not selling anything, got a 3yr old walker direct outta ol south stylish lee I would sell for the right price but that is it.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 03-25-2011 12:57 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by intellectualist
I could prove it but it would have to be here and the parkway will have to be open to that section which may not occur until April 1st.
Your tenor indicates that you would be too closed minded to believe the results if they were put before you so what would be the use.

Yep. I don't know much about the technical part of radio signals but I am smart enough and open minded enough to know I am ignorant and will listen to those who do know about them.
Lot of differance between perfect conditions and hunting conditions.

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Posted by TLCASH on 03-25-2011 01:05 AM:

im the one who posted the pic on ebay first of all ive owned a garmin since the day they come out i was one of the first around here to bear and coon hunt with them, i purchased this antenna from ray conrad at walker days it has doubled the range at least 95% of the time i consistently pick up 5 miles with this antenna, i used to average around 2 miles, as for the picture of 16 miles i was coon hunting behind my house and a buddy of mine was 16 miles away and i still had his dog in my unit and was picking it up never would hav belived it until i looked on my map and called him and that was where he was this was in va was not on high elevation at the time and by the way i am not the one selling this antenna i actually went to this store and the owner purchased one for himself after he tested it started selling them.

Posted by intellectualist on 03-25-2011 01:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by TLCASH
im the one who posted the pic on ebay first of all ive owned a garmin since the day they come out i was one of the first around here to bear and coon hunt with them, i purchased this antenna from ray conrad at walker days it has doubled the range at least 95% of the time i consistently pick up 5 miles with this antenna, i used to average around 2 miles, as for the picture of 16 miles i was coon hunting behind my house and a buddy of mine was 16 miles away and i still had his dog in my unit and was picking it up never would hav belived it until i looked on my map and called him and that was where he was this was in va was not on high elevation at the time and by the way i am not the one selling this antenna i actually went to this store and the owner purchased one for himself after he tested it started selling them.

You do not have to defend yourself, I believe you and I was not saying you could not get 16 miles. I do know that using a yagi can typically double your range but 16 miles on a regular basis in actual hunting conditions is not going to happen 90% of the time so showing that "snapshot" at 16 miles can be a bit deceptive because you and I both know that will happen less of the time rather than most of the time!
As for the price on the antenna, I will keep my mouth shut so as not to get this post or thread deleted!

Posted by intellectualist on 03-25-2011 01:31 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
Yep. I don't know much about the technical part of radio signals but I am smart enough and open minded enough to know I am ignorant and will listen to those who do know about them.
Lot of differance between perfect conditions and hunting conditions.

Very true. The conditions I cited would certantly be perfect due to elevation.

Posted by Velocity on 03-25-2011 02:35 AM:

I'm with ya. I would like to get atleast 2 miles out of mine aswell. I hunt hilly terreain but not mountains and it seems 1 to 1.2 miles is the most i have ever scene. I even spent $40 on a telescoping antenna and it did nothing ,So after about a month i finaly broke it and went back to the stock antenna. So till i see something that will atleast give me double my range i'm not spending my hard earned money on it... Keep me posted Boys...

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 03-25-2011 07:47 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Velocity
I'm with ya. I would like to get atleast 2 miles out of mine aswell. I hunt hilly terreain but not mountains and it seems 1 to 1.2 miles is the most i have ever scene. I even spent $40 on a telescoping antenna and it did nothing ,So after about a month i finaly broke it and went back to the stock antenna. So till i see something that will atleast give me double my range i'm not spending my hard earned money on it... Keep me posted Boys...

Yep I hunt flat and that is all I get. The dogs run in the creek bottoms and the banks block line of sight there for blocking signal.

Posted by Roger Kloepping on 03-25-2011 02:15 PM:

yagi antenna

I hooked my old ATS antenna up to my garmin 155freq got 2 mi easy in hilly terrain the yagi does improve the range. Russ find someone with a ATS antenna and try it. you will need a bnc female to sma male adapter. The tuffskin antenna on the collar also helps.

Posted by John B.Dalton on 03-25-2011 02:25 PM:

I say we all probaly need some different dogs,,,If you hunt with someones dog that trees coons consistently behind these roadrunners a mile out of a garmin should be sufficient..By the way mine is usually the one that is in the next section ...then i love to hear a cast member tell how the other dog hunts(that treed the coon)..Well he doesnt have enough hunt for me

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 03-25-2011 03:40 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by intellectualist
I could prove it but it would have to be here and the parkway will have to be open to that section which may not occur until April 1st.
Your tenor indicates that you would be too closed minded to believe the results if they were put before you so what would be the use.

50 miles ? Is that all you got ???!!!!!! LOL

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 03-25-2011 04:51 PM:

A Yagi Has a Very Narrow Band of Reception Thus its Design to Be Directional..

Its Very Counter Productive if Your trying to Recieve a Signal in a Radious as needed by the Garmin Reciever ..

If you Point your Yagi Stright Up Vert. you can Recieve in a 180^ to a full Radious ..

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Posted by Two Toes on 03-25-2011 05:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by intellectualist
You do not have to defend yourself, I believe you and I was not saying you could not get 16 miles. I do know that using a yagi can typically double your range but 16 miles on a regular basis in actual hunting conditions is not going to happen 90% of the time so showing that "snapshot" at 16 miles can be a bit deceptive because you and I both know that will happen less of the time rather than most of the time!
As for the price on the antenna, I will keep my mouth shut so as not to get this post or thread deleted!

Being realistic here now I can take pictures of mine sayin 150 miles don't mean it's showin my dog at that range.Simply just where they last where. I can turn it on & it will give me a straight line to where the collar was previously shut off just like everybody else's.

I guess I'm speakin in huntin term's not standin on a mountain waiting for ideal conditions when the moon & the stars line up properly with jupiter & the park is open?? We hunt in some awful bluffy country & don't lose them because they get over a creek bank or a bluff for that matter. I have seen it go over two miles on a frigid clear winter night from on top of a big hill but probably not big enough I guess. Normal "hunting" conditions, mile & a half is gettin out there. Usually can still hear the dogs when their outa range of the unit. Have seen ton's of wildlife shows of them tracking critters some fairly good distances but their beep beepin. I would think bein able to pin [point the exact spot from two mountain ranges over would surely save a pile of time & money.

OK,in ideal set up situations with your fancy tweeker hooked up I'm not sayin it is not impossable. But, my tenor would leave me to beleive if I check every person at a hunt last weekend or this weekend they would laugh at that kinda range.

Difference bein in the timber huntin than parked on the peak waiting on ideal conditions. Yet to understand how that has squat to do with keepin track of a dog? By the time the park open's to be able to setup said long range machine in the perfectly aligned spot the collar will be long dead anyways.

Now my 24 year old johnson has been known to pick'um up at some unreal distances but kinda like your "IDEAL" situation thing.

Posted by intellectualist on 03-25-2011 10:12 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Two Toes
Being realistic here now I can take pictures of mine sayin 150 miles don't mean it's showin my dog at that range.Simply just where they last where. I can turn it on & it will give me a straight line to where the collar was previously shut off just like everybody else's.

I guess I'm speakin in huntin term's not standin on a mountain waiting for ideal conditions when the moon & the stars line up properly with jupiter & the park is open?? We hunt in some awful bluffy country & don't lose them because they get over a creek bank or a bluff for that matter. I have seen it go over two miles on a frigid clear winter night from on top of a big hill but probably not big enough I guess. Normal "hunting" conditions, mile & a half is gettin out there. Usually can still hear the dogs when their outa range of the unit. Have seen ton's of wildlife shows of them tracking critters some fairly good distances but their beep beepin. I would think bein able to pin [point the exact spot from two mountain ranges over would surely save a pile of time & money.

OK,in ideal set up situations with your fancy tweeker hooked up I'm not sayin it is not impossable. But, my tenor would leave me to beleive if I check every person at a hunt last weekend or this weekend they would laugh at that kinda range.

Difference bein in the timber huntin than parked on the peak waiting on ideal conditions. Yet to understand how that has squat to do with keepin track of a dog? By the time the park open's to be able to setup said long range machine in the perfectly aligned spot the collar will be long dead anyways.

Now my 24 year old johnson has been known to pick'um up at some unreal distances but kinda like your "IDEAL" situation thing.

You are not following this thread in a capacity to understand what I am saying! My example of going on Mt.Mitchell to show what range I could get with my Garmin was to put the original post in perspective that the 16 miles he was showing means nothing when you do not know the situation under which it was achieved!
The people at your local hunt are probably like minded as you and have no knowledge of HAAT or RF technology therefore I could care less what they thought!
I never said it was prudent or the right thing to do by going to Mt.Mitchell to track your dogs. That would be silly.
I typically get 1-2 ,miles out of my garmin just like everyone else but if you want to make a hefty bet, we will schedule a trip up there in a month or so and see what kind of range we can get!
Your right about the garmin showing the last place the collar was at and I am not talking about that!

Posted by intellectualist on 03-25-2011 10:19 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Majestic Tree H
A Yagi Has a Very Narrow Band of Reception Thus its Design to Be Directional..

Its Very Counter Productive if Your trying to Recieve a Signal in a Radious as needed by the Garmin Reciever ..

If you Point your Yagi Stright Up Vert. you can Recieve in a 180^ to a full Radious ..

HUH????

What are you calling narrow? The diameter of the elements are what determines bandwidth!The fact it has multi elements is what makes it a yagi! The radius is irrelevant. A beam was designed to be rotated so why would radius matter?
The last part of your statement I do not even understand!

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 03-25-2011 10:24 PM:

Are Yo Kidding Me ??? You Don't Understand how a Yagi Works ??

I've Had a Yagi in my Hands sence 1976, I have Rented Aircraft and Pilots to get high enough to get a BEEP on a Falcon over 80 miles out when Blown out in high winds.

Some of the most Powerful Transmitters Made that were only 2" long and 1/2" in dia..

Posted by intellectualist on 03-25-2011 10:35 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Majestic Tree H
Are Yo Kidding Me ??? You Don't Understand how a Yagi Works ??

Actually I do understand. That is why I was so confounded by your post!

I think you meant to say narrow beamwidth, not bandwidth which are two totally different things.

Posted by intellectualist on 03-25-2011 10:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Majestic Tree H
Are Yo Kidding Me ??? You Don't Understand how a Yagi Works ??

I've Had a Yagi in my Hands sence 1976, I have Rented Aircraft and Pilots to get high enough to get a BEEP on a Falcon over 80 miles out when Blown out in high winds.

Some of the most Powerful Transmitters Made that were only 2" long and 1/2" in dia..

I assume those pilots had the controls to the airplane in their hands too but that does not mean they understand what makes the engine run in the planes they are flying so you may not want them working on the plane!
What you are talking about with elevation goes back to my earlier point!

You still have not explained why radius matters?
Also, why would using a yagi with the Astro be counterproductive? A yagi on an Astro would work better than anything aside from extensive amounts of elevation.
I am prepared to entertain your logic wholeheartedly!

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