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why no countdown on tree?

i may be wrong but in ukc a dong can come into a tree say after 4 min have gone by and still tree for 75 if second tree is still open.if this is true why no count down so me to dogs don't win as much?

This is not true. It is mearly an urban legend, an oldwives tale. Not only do they not get 75 points for showing up late, but in UKC they get whooped and sent on with their tale between their legs unless of course it is a Bluetick in which case the judge just buries it under the tree.

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Cat you need to be like me buy you a me 2 dog!! cant beat them join them lol lol u.k.c will get it right one of these days

There is a KC that has that rule. Do you want all the major KC's to have the same rules?

Also, in the other KC you don't get 125 for first tree. I personally like getting the extra 25 for having the first dog to get hooked.

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Well it seems like if you had a COONDOG it would be alright for someone to get second all the time.

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Well it seems like if you had a COONDOG it would be alright for someone to get second all the time.

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yep & in pkc you can get treed same time as 1st dog treed & wait 2 minutes & take last tree. i'd much rather see you treed in second with 75- than have the option to wait & tree for 25- on a slick tree. this is why most people want a count down !! not that they are worryed about a second dog !!

dont let um blow smoke up your butt. count down is just another option for a handler. aint got nothin to do with a second dog !!

UKC you get 50 more points for 1st tree than 2nd tree. if your gettin beat reguler by a 2nd dog you better look at the end of your leash & not whats beatin you !!

I agree with Roughcreek.

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Originally posted by Bill(Chew)
I agree with Roughcreek.

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Originally posted by roughcreek
yep & in pkc you can get treed same time as 1st dog treed & wait 2 minutes & take last tree. i'd much rather see you treed in second with 75- than have the option to wait & tree for 25- on a slick tree. this is why most people want a count down !! not that they are worryed about a second dog !!

dont let um blow smoke up your butt. count down is just another option for a handler. aint got nothin to do with a second dog !!

UKC you get 50 more points for 1st tree than 2nd tree. if your gettin beat reguler by a 2nd dog you better look at the end of your leash & not whats beatin you !!

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Why no countdown on tree ?

BECAUSE IT'S NOT PKC !!!!!

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thats y im not goin to hunt many more ukc hunts any more cause of the me too dogs.that dont deserve the 75+ when they come in 4 min late or they hear your dog runnin a track 600 yrds deep and they run them down to help thats not a true coon dog imo.deep and alone thats a coon dog bar none...................

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Originally posted by roughcreek
yep & in pkc you can get treed same time as 1st dog treed & wait 2 minutes & take last tree. i'd much rather see you treed in second with 75- than have the option to wait & tree for 25- on a slick tree. this is why most people want a count down !! not that they are worryed about a second dog !!

dont let um blow smoke up your butt. count down is just another option for a handler. aint got nothin to do with a second dog !!

UKC you get 50 more points for 1st tree than 2nd tree. if your gettin beat reguler by a 2nd dog you better look at the end of your leash & not whats beatin you !!

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Originally posted by roughcreek
yep & in pkc you can get treed same time as 1st dog treed & wait 2 minutes & take last tree. i'd much rather see you treed in second with 75- than have the option to wait & tree for 25- on a slick tree. this is why most people want a count down !! not that they are worryed about a second dog !!

dont let um blow smoke up your butt. count down is just another option for a handler. aint got nothin to do with a second dog !!

UKC you get 50 more points for 1st tree than 2nd tree. if your gettin beat reguler by a 2nd dog you better look at the end of your leash & not whats beatin you !!

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A good me-too dog isnt going to come in 4 minnutes late, they are going to take 75 in any registry.

A countdown is just another tool in the handlers bag.

I thought everyone wanted the best dog to win, not the best handler?

The only thing I dont like is when we are almost to another dogs tree and I tree mine split and there is 4 minutes gone on my tree when the tree is scored and the dog is cut into my dog and gets treed for 75 without strike when he had nothing to do with that track. How is that right.

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Originally posted by bigdwebster
The only thing I dont like is when we are almost to another dogs tree and I tree mine split and there is 4 minutes gone on my tree when the tree is scored and the dog is cut into my dog and gets treed for 75 without strike when he had nothing to do with that track. How is that right.

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Originally posted by bigdwebster
The only thing I dont like is when we are almost to another dogs tree and I tree mine split and there is 4 minutes gone on my tree when the tree is scored and the dog is cut into my dog and gets treed for 75 without strike when he had nothing to do with that track. How is that right.

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and most of the pkc 2 hr hunts they hunt wild coons not buckets and dont come in with 1000 plus scores my dog mite tree 1 time with a dog then the rest she will be 100% alone gettin her on coon and doin her on thing that i like.

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Originally posted by Billme94
Does this make you a me too man?

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UKC, PKC, AKC, they all can and have learned from one another. I may be wrong, but sometimes rules are changed because another registry has tried it first. Also, I may be wrong, but I'll bet the Performance Program was started because PKC was giving back to the hunter first with their programs. We as hunters (handlers), discuss the rules, programs, etc... from time to time to better our sport. The ones that say, just hunt the other registry, or get a better dog, sounds like their dog might be those babbling, me-too dogs in the hunts, and they don't want any changes.

The only way you're going to get rid of the babbling dogs is to get rid of the strike rule. I know that sounds drastic, but it's the only way. People don't enforce the babble rule in the hunts. It's probably one of the rules that's over-looked the most. A lot of people won't even shut their dog up in the box or kennel, hoping it'll help their dog's loose mouth. Why don't we just train our dogs to be a 1st strike(loose mouth) dog that will cover another dog quickly. That sounds like a winner, Huh.

Why only one set of strike points. If all dogs are split treed, and all dogs have a coon, then why only 1 track. Hey, in that case, the one with 25 strike points must have struck the coldest and hardest track, so that dog should win that drop, right? (You don't have to explain the one track rule fellows, it's a rhetorical question.)

What about the trees are touching crap, when the coon the dogs treed are 3 or more trees over, but people want to plus it. What are we hunting, coons or flying squirrels. But let there be a possum 2 trees over and they won't claim that.

There's a lot more to discuss, and that's how the rules that aren't working, and slick handler problems are corrected, by discussing them, not bad mouthing them.

who in ukc changes the rules?and i know eyeryone has a different opinion about the rules,but why not let the hunters decide.i think most are in favor of the count down on the tree.just my opinion.

the hunters do deside. there is a rules meeting at autumn oaks with reprosentitives from each breed that deside rules changes.
the reprosentitves vote on rules changes not ukc.

guys if your hunting against "a good me too dog" it dont matter what rules or registery you hunt you still gone have to be on your A game to pull out a cw....

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Originally posted by roughcreek
yep & in pkc you can get treed same time as 1st dog treed & wait 2 minutes & take last tree. i'd much rather see you treed in second with 75- than have the option to wait & tree for 25- on a slick tree. this is why most people want a count down !! not that they are worryed about a second dog !!

dont let um blow smoke up your butt. count down is just another option for a handler. aint got nothin to do with a second dog !!

UKC you get 50 more points for 1st tree than 2nd tree. if your gettin beat reguler by a 2nd dog you better look at the end of your leash & not whats beatin you !!

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