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Posted by Iowa curhunter on 02-13-2011 04:21 PM:

Iowa conibear law

There is a bill HF257 being pushed right now. This would reduce the size of conibears on land to 5 inches. I know alot of dog hunters would like to see this pass so I thought I'd put it on here. I don't normally get involved but I've seen a dog killed this way and it doesn't need to happen. A good trapper will do just as well with footholds.

Posted by JayGoughnour on 02-13-2011 06:03 PM:

love it. Does our lobbyist for the IA State Coonhunters know about this?

Posted by cfishman on 02-14-2011 12:26 AM:

In Nebraska a 330 needs to be at least 6 ft off the ground or fully sumerged. Im takeing it that they want the 220's the same way.
So, only 110's for a ground set?

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Posted by lightning1 on 02-14-2011 12:57 AM:

I hope it passes. I had a dog get caught in one. Those 500 coon a year bucket trappers will need to learn how to trap.

Posted by Billy George on 02-14-2011 01:18 AM:

Remeber one thing...

If the coon hunters get behind this and push hard to pass it, what will the trappers want to take form us??? Our training season?? Dogs in the pen from the first of Feb,to the first of November....

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Posted by Ryan T on 02-14-2011 03:03 AM:

You know I agree with Billy on this!!!!!!!!!

Posted by josh on 02-14-2011 03:24 AM:

I understand what Billy is thinking maybe hes right maybe not.

We had no season on coon for years and years, the Trappers got one put back on us for no reason 2 years ago.

If I had a chance to get rid of 220's Id take it, You may have a knife in your back tomorrow either way.

Posted by B Downing on 02-14-2011 04:25 AM:

As far as i see it, if the coon hunters start conflict with the trappers then that just gives more fuel to the anti's to use to try and shut us all down!JMO. I wouldn't want one of our dogs to get stuck in a steel necklace eather but i could easily see pushing this issue to much could come back to bite ya in the A$$. again just my opinion

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Posted by slpyhlwblues on 02-14-2011 04:27 AM:

I hope it doesn't pass. A 220 used in the right places is a very effective trap that shouldn't harm dogs. A 5x5 does nothing to coon. U can't have them all to yourself

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Posted by on 02-14-2011 04:30 AM:

From what I can tell, some of these other outdoor groups don't hesitate to pass a regulation that will negatively effect a houndsmen or hunting dog enthusiast. Most the time they don't even put any thought into it, if it is good for them they go for it.
I don't see why this should be any different. If we had a chance to eliminate or further regulate conibears, I'd jump on that bandwagon in a hurry and get as many friends to come along as possible.

Posted by slpyhlwblues on 02-14-2011 04:35 AM:

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From what I can tell, some of these other outdoor groups don't hesitate to pass a regulation that will negatively effect a houndsmen or hunting dog enthusiast. Most the time they don't even put any thought into it, if it is good for them they go for it.
I don't see why this should be any different. If we had a chance to eliminate or further regulate conibears, I'd jump on that bandwagon in a hurry and get as many friends to come along as possible.

Good for you! I guess this is why sportsmen will be a dyeing breed some day

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Posted by B Downing on 02-14-2011 04:48 AM:

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Originally posted by brogy
From what I can tell, some of these other outdoor groups don't hesitate to pass a regulation that will negatively effect a houndsmen or hunting dog enthusiast. Most the time they don't even put any thought into it, if it is good for them they go for it.
I don't see why this should be any different. If we had a chance to eliminate or further regulate conibears, I'd jump on that bandwagon in a hurry and get as many friends to come along as possible.

The way i see it Marc is that some one has to end the pissing match between the coon hunters and the trappers. if it keeps going like it is with the trappers and the coon hunters keep wantin to take away or regulate each others sport more and more all the time, pretty soon we aren't going to have any thing left to evjoy. Instead of the different outdoor groups pissing and moaning about each others sport i think we need to stick together
a little bit more or we are all gunna loose what we love to do. And its not just the fight between the coon hunters and the trappers it going on with the deer hunter, the bear hunters, etc., etc, etc! I just think it has to come to an end soon or the dnr is gunna have so many regulations on us that it isn't gunna be fun for any of us to be in the woods, unless ya wana take up bird watchin? Again JMO, everyone's got one

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Posted by on 02-14-2011 04:51 AM:

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Originally posted by slpyhlwblues
Good for you! I guess this is why sportsmen will be a dyeing breed some day

Really think about what I said. So you're saying if we did the same thing to other sportsmen that they do to us, we'll all be a dying breed someday? What about the fact that other sportsmen do these types of things to houndsmen all the time?

I guess I don't understand the argument that we shouldn't be in favor of something that another group might not like. They do it to us all the time and we're supposed to lay down and take it?

That fear of doing something that might benefit houndsmen but might negatively effect another outdoorsmen group is why houndsmen will be the first kicked out of the woods.

Posted by StrawberryMt on 02-14-2011 04:57 AM:

you guys stickin up for the trappers on the conibear issue have never had to face a call from your 16 year old little brother in the middle of the night,bawlin hysterically,cause he had to sit and watch his big brothers best dog that he borrowed die in a conibear cause he couldn't figure out how to get it off fast enough.Might make you have a little different feeling about conibears.

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Posted by on 02-14-2011 05:01 AM:

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Originally posted by B Downing
The way i see it Marc is that some one has to end the pissing match between the coon hunters and the trappers. if it keeps going like it is with the trappers and the coon hunters keep wantin to take away or regulate each others sport more and more all the time, pretty soon we aren't going to have any thing left to evjoy. Instead of the different outdoor groups pissing and moaning about each others sport i think we need to stick together
a little bit more or we are all gunna loose what we love to do. And its not just the fight between the coon hunters and the trappers it going on with the deer hunter, the bear hunters, etc., etc, etc! I just think it has to come to an end soon or the dnr is gunna have so many regulations on us that it isn't gunna be fun for any of us to be in the woods, unless ya wana take up bird watchin? Again JMO, everyone's got one

I agree Ben. But if someone puts a conibear regulation on the table and it fails, you really think the trappers are going to come back and thank the houndsmen for not pursuing it? If I did, I'd agree with your view on it.

Until we as houndsmen are more proactive and demand to be treated like equals among other sportsmen's groups, we'll continue to be treated like the red-headed step children of the hunting world.

I guess if I thought a regulation would enhance my pursuit of hunting with hounds, I don't care if it might hurt someone else's feelings.

Trappers and Trophy Deerhunters will end our sport faster than any anti=hunting group will. Then when I'm sitting at home bird watching because my dogs and I are no longer welcomed in the woods, I'll watch the anti's swiftly destroy trapping and trophy deerhunting like what was done in Great Britain with the fox hunters.

I agree. Outdoorsmen need to unite in the best interest of all of us, but from my experience, houndsmen can't even get invited to the table let alone sit and speak as equals. It is up to the big dogs on the porch to let us little dogs at least lay in the sun with them.

Posted by B Downing on 02-14-2011 05:07 AM:

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Originally posted by StrawberryMt
you guys stickin up for the trappers on the conibear issue have never had to face a call from your 16 year old little brother in the middle of the night,bawlin hysterically,cause he had to sit and watch his big brothers best dog that he borrowed die in a conibear cause he couldn't figure out how to get it off fast enough.Might make you have a little different feeling about conibears.

I'm not syaing that i am really for or against this issue. all i am saying is what is gunna happen if this law gets passed what else are the coon hunters gunna try to get. I enjoy both huntin' with hounds and trapping. I just don't want to see for my children and their children to not be able to enjoy the things that i love to do. If all sportsmen/women could find a happy medium and not keep trying to run each other out of the woods, our favorite past times will be around for the next generaitions to enjoy. As of the way things are now, I wonder if my grandchildre will ever get to step foot in the woods with a hound.

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Posted by on 02-14-2011 05:08 AM:

You ever see the trappers or trophy deer hunters saying how we as sportsmen need to work together to preserve our futures?

Its like a group of high school bullies picking on the kindergartners. They don't care. If you're the kindergartner you can continue to give them your lunch and hope they'll stop beating on you, but that doesn't mean they're going to respect you.

Posted by on 02-14-2011 05:10 AM:

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Originally posted by B Downing
I'm not syaing that i am really for or against this issue. all i am saying is what is gunna happen if this law gets passed what else are the coon hunters gunna try to get. I enjoy both huntin' with hounds and trapping. I just don't want to see for my children and their children to not be able to enjoy the things that i love to do. If all sportsmen/women could find a happy medium and not keep trying to run each other out of the woods, our favorite past times will be around for the next generaitions to enjoy.

I agree with that 100%. I just don't see how houndsmen not standing up for they're own interests, is going to change anything.

Posted by slpyhlwblues on 02-14-2011 05:14 AM:

Why not push for 160's in trail sets? To reduce a trapper to a 5x5 would be like taking our hounds away from us

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Posted by josh on 02-14-2011 05:15 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by StrawberryMt
you guys stickin up for the trappers on the conibear issue have never had to face a call from your 16 year old little brother in the middle of the night,bawlin hysterically,cause he had to sit and watch his big brothers best dog that he borrowed die in a conibear cause he couldn't figure out how to get it off fast enough.Might make you have a little different feeling about conibears.

Absolutely, unless you been there you wont get it.

220s dont belong on dry land.

Posted by StrawberryMt on 02-14-2011 05:19 AM:

If my grandkids never knew what a conibear was it would make me very happy.Brogy you are the man.Trappers as a whole could give a hoot about us and the feeling is mutual from me.We as houndsmen have to start lookin out for #1 and that doesn't mean kissing up to the other outdoor groups that never kiss with their lips.

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Posted by on 02-14-2011 05:25 AM:

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Originally posted by slpyhlwblues
Why not push for 160's in trail sets? To reduce a trapper to a 5x5 would be like taking our hounds away from us

The best trappers I know don't even use conibears except a few water sets. Thankfully most are switching to the leghold, lil grizzly stype traps for dry land trapping.

That's partially why the 220's have a such a bad rep in MN, because of the trappers left using them.

Posted by tripple river on 02-14-2011 06:45 AM:

it makes me cringe when i hear guys talk about making 220 bucket sets but it will be a cold day in he11 before i throw in with animal rights activest against any fellow outdoorsmen.you guys sound like democrats.

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Posted by COYOTE-HUNTER on 02-14-2011 11:54 AM:

Brogy, 220's are used more than you think. Look at some of your state trapper boards. The fisher trappers are using them in pole sets.
Look at NY trapping regs. New conibear laws came into effect a few years ago. The trappers pursued it and worked with the houndsmen on it.

Posted by pigsit on 02-14-2011 01:57 PM:

In my state conibears are only legal in water sets; but that doesn't keep trappers from making illegal sets. If you want to see this bill pass; just circulate a picture of a dog, caught in a conibear to your legislators. Tom

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